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300 Trades Complete -- an observation
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a few years back, i sort of went a little nuts with the whole boardgame collection. buying cheap, and trading up was a major passtime. now my trades completed has reached the nifty sum of 300, and so i thought i'd look back on the lot, and see if there's anything interesting to say.

as an overall comment, i guess i'd like to say that trading was an awesome way to get some of the harder games to find. i don't find that it is very viable these days, with the exceptionally huge shipping costs. it used to be okay to send and receiving from Canada, but those days are gone. even cross country -- it can be $15 to $18 to send a moderate sized game. so i think the salad days of my trading are gone.
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Posted Wed Aug 6, 2008 10:48 pm
1. Board Game: Tikal [Average Rating:7.44 Overall Rank:74]
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although not my first trade, it was my first trade with the new trade system. I traded I'm the Boss for Tikal, and i remember being still a little skittish about sending a game away for "free" :) Thanks stlkt! i still have, and enjoy Tikal.
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Too funny - I was reading this, and before getting to your mention of me, thought "I think I traded a copy of Tikal for I'm the Boss - wonder if it was with me?" :)

Glad you're still enjoying Tikal - I still have I'm The Boss and really like it, though rarely have the six players it needs to shine.
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cool... i was wondering if any of the guys i traded with early on, would see this.
2. Board Game: King of the Elves [Average Rating:6.26 Overall Rank:1120]
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my second completed trade. this was no big deal, since both items were light, and easily shipped. i still have, and would play King of the Elves, though i have trouble getting anyone to play. thanks Sky Knight X!
3. Board Game: Lord of the Rings [Average Rating:7.02 Overall Rank:208]
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my first Large trade. i had been told that trading large amounts of games was more economically agreeable, so i gave it a try. My Amun Re, Carcasonne the Castle, Hera & Zeus, Puerto Rico, Attika for o2bjsm's Chaos Marauders, Elfenland, Lord of the Rings, and the LotR Friends and Foes and Sauron expansions.

Was this successful? well... it sure did cost less to get this many games at once, than shipping each individually... however I never managed to play Chaos Marauders, or the Sauron expansion (until very recently -- and not my copy). Elfenland lies getting dusty, though i would like to play it... again it is hard to get anyone to play.

would i do it again? well... i doubt it. shipping costs have gotten so extreme, especially with larger packages, that i am doubtful that i would do it.
4. Board Game: Antiquity [Average Rating:7.90 Overall Rank:81]
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my first international trade! i had fallen for the (well deserved) hype surrounding Splotter Spellen games, and just had to have Antiquity. I was disappointed that it wasn't available in the states, and so turned to our international friends. buergerberatung provided that service. he sent me Antiquity, Diamant, Die Macher, Taj Mahal, and Verrater. I sent him Swashbuckler, Talisman 3rd Edition, and Hacker Deluxe, and some cash.

was this successful? of course! i ended up with one of my favorite games, Antiquity! Diamant also became a favorite for our parties... easy to explain and quick to play. Never have played Die Macher, Taj Mahal or Verrater... but it was more than worth it for Antiquity.

international trades are tough these days. probably only worth it, if an extremely difficult to find, and expensive game is involved, so that the postage costs and possible loss, are acceptable.
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You really need to get Taj Mahal to the table. It is excellent.
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Solamar wrote:
You really need to get Taj Mahal to the table. It is excellent.


Seconded. If I could play this more often, I'm sure it would become my fourth 10.
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Verkisto wrote:
Solamar wrote:
You really need to get Taj Mahal to the table. It is excellent.

Seconded. If I could play this more often, I'm sure it would become my fourth 10.

Thirded. I think that -- like Power Grid -- this is a game that will only get better with repeat plays. It seems every time I play it I'm teaching it, however, and I'm still trying to find a group that's the right fit for the game (i.e., will enthusiastically play it again).
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Yes - by all means play Taj Mahal. Unlike other Alea games, I find Taj Mahal plays best with fewer than five players.

But also find a way to play Die Macher - it's definitely a long game, but is really worth it if you can get a couple plays under a group of 5 players' belts.
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one of these days!
5. Board Game: Roads and Boats [Average Rating:7.78 Overall Rank:72]
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this is my favorite trade, since it involves what has become my favorite game... Roads and Boats. this was in the time before the latest new edition had come out, and Roads and Boats was going for LARGE amounts of money... $200 to $350 or more. i put out the call, and received an answer to my prayers from Airbear in the UK. he put together a list of games he wanted for R&B, and we dickered for a bit, and finally came to an agreement. i ended up shipping a huge box of games to him, and he sent me Roads and Boats. it was my happiest trading moment.

Roads and Boats for Dune, El Grande, Elric, Lord of the Rings - The Confrontation, Samurai, Traders of Genoa, Vinci, and YINSH.

thanks Airbear!
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Wow, seven pretty good games PLUS Dune for R&Bs. Not worth it IMO.
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hehe. different strokes. it was definitely worth it for me at the time. R&B was VERY difficult to find, and very expensive. i got most of those games cheaply at Ebay auctions.

like i said... it's now my absolute favorite game :)
6. Board Game: Cosmic Encounter [Average Rating:7.04 Overall Rank:232]
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another large international trade, just a few weeks later. i am proud of this one too... traded for a complete set of Eon Cosmic Encounter, and some hard to find Heroquest expansions. Again going to the UK, geek mrraow made me happy. He received Around the World in 80 Days, Australia, Bootleggers, Mammoth Hunters, Gulo Gulo, Lord of the Rings - The Confrontation, Mutiny!, Thieves Guild, and TransAmerica. I received Eon Cosmic Encounter and all 9 expansions, HeroQuest, HeroQuest - Adventure Design Kit, HeroQuest - Against the Ogre Horde, HeroQuest - Wizards of Morcar, and Sorcerer's Cave.

while i never played the HQ expansions, i was able to play Cosmic, and enjoyed it. i have since sold the set for quite a bundle on Ebay, so all in all, it was successful. Thanks mrraow!
7. Board Game: Big City [Average Rating:6.97 Overall Rank:292]
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this was an odd trade, and came out of the blue. coming from geek Ikyoto, an offer of Big City, for Hive. i was astounded at the offer, and had to write back and ask if it was correct. i had gotten Hive for a little over $20 including shipping, and it was a very tiny game. admittedly i was disappointed when i saw it. Big City was a large game, and difficult to find at that time.

that just shows that sometimes the worth of the game is definitely in the receiver. you never know what trades will be acceptable.

well i sent Hive, and received Big City, and was happy as can be. I hope Ikyoto wasn't disappointed with Hive either. thanks Ikyoto!

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Hive is a trading oddity and has caused a few scratched heads and ruffled feathers over the years. The original was an expensive import. I think when I first picked it up it was available through an online discounter for something like $40 or so. The price obviously dropped quite a bit since then. But during the period when the first cheap versions were available there were still a lot of people trying to get their $40 out of the game. There have been several games that were like this over the years. They were expensive imports that were desirable and then became unavailable for a period of time thereby maintaining their value. They then were released in the states for cheap.
8. Board Game: Order of the Stick Adventure Game: The Dungeon of Dorukan [Average Rating:6.17 Overall Rank:1593]
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received as part of my latest trade... don't know exactly what i traded for it, since it was part of a math trade. It was probably on the order of Russian Rails and Industria... which is my absolute latest trade recorded.

math trades are an interesting development. on the one hand, they can be fun... but you really have to be careful to read the descriptions of each item, and also which items you'll accept for your trading items. in the larger lists (1000+ items), this can be exceedingly difficult. i have grown a little disappointed with the typical results, and don't participate very often.

i am somewhat happy with the latest trade i was involved in, and have enjoyed playing Order of the Stick. thanks leroy43!
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I got into math trades shortly after they stared taking off. At that time a math trade might have 5 - 10 pages of games. Certainly a manageable number that wasn't too difficult to sort through. Math trade now days are kind of crazy though. The one currently in the trade list has 66 pages of games! That's way too much work for the off chance of landing a game. The only math trade I participate in now is the once yearly trade that my local group puts on.
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i'll participate in them if they use that strangely acronymed tool, that automates all the difficult parts. otherwise, i just stay away.
9. Board Game: Warangel [Average Rating:7.57 Overall Rank:1200]
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i guess it's inevitable, that after 300 trades, there's going to be someone who isn't happy. so i do have a negative feedback. it was a little odd though, so i'll relate:

i trade warangel to Ellowen-Deeowen as part of a math trade. i sent the item out promptly, and a couple weeks later, noticed that i had received a negative feedback! imagine my surprise. i had no contact whatsoever with the geek, after sending the item. the feedback said something about having two bad encounters with me... one was a figure i was kind enough to send him for HQ, that i accidently sent to someone else. and this latest was that the box arrived damaged. huh? i get penalized because the post office damaged his box. hmm, alright pal.

i've never had to leave a negative feedback, thank goodness.
10. Board Game: Odin's Ravens [Average Rating:6.78 Overall Rank:376]
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this one goes in the "huh?" category. it was back in 2005, and i have it marked down as receiving Odin's Ravens, and sending Magic Realm. hmm. thanks zurupeto, i guess. :) probably some MR parts. i hope!
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I just managed to complete a nice group of trades. After almost swearing off trades altogether I decided to give it one last try. I sent out one final (I told myself) group of offers. There were seven offers and four of them resulted in trades right away, one is in the works and two more I heard from right away saying I'd love to but I've got other stuff to worry about at the moment and I'll get back with you! I was amazed!! I've been trading here for at least four years and never had that kind of luck.

I then got my first experience of sticker shock at the post office when I mailed off one of my bigger boxes. I've always sent trades priority USPS with delivery confirmation. I usually use the flat rate boxes, one or two smaller games at most. It's about $9 which is pretty good. The first game I mailed off from this trade group was Tannhauser. Single game although it's heavy and in a large box. Priority mail was $18!!! What kind of crap is that! Parcel post was still >$11. Note to self, don't mail large boxes via USPS! Now the next two trades I have to send out are Europe Engulfed (bigger and heavier than Tannhauser) and a three game bundle which will be in a big box. So now that my desire to trade wasn't snuffed out by lack of responses I find that I'm not going to be able to afford to send out trades anymore!
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Ask what Brown can do for you ;)
I hear ya, just completed a trade for some CCG cards, but sending two games that together won't fit in the flat rate box. Priority would have been $23, so I sent 'em UPS Ground for $12 w/ built in tracking. Still yeah, it used to be $5-6 parcel post, $8 priority.

May be one reason why auctions are becoming more popular, the *other guy* pays the postage and you can use the cash. Still, I've enjoyed my trades (it's not the nearly 100 that my rating makes it out to be, due to 'null trades' to even out math trades) and made some cool Geekbuddies along the way.

alkaiser wrote:

I then got my first experience of sticker shock at the post office when I mailed off one of my bigger boxes. I've always sent trades priority USPS with delivery confirmation. I usually use the flat rate boxes, one or two smaller games at most. It's about $9 which is pretty good. The first game I mailed off from this trade group was Tannhauser. Single game although it's heavy and in a large box. Priority mail was $18!!! What kind of crap is that! Parcel post was still >$11. Note to self, don't mail large boxes via USPS! Now the next two trades I have to send out are Europe Engulfed (bigger and heavier than Tannhauser) and a three game bundle which will be in a big box. So now that my desire to trade wasn't snuffed out by lack of responses I find that I'm not going to be able to afford to send out trades anymore!
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Excellent list, it's always fun to see how others are doing via trades. I've kept records of most of the items I've traded or sold too, and you can find it here:

http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/4971
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Nice list!

I remember my first trade on here...it was with Houjix. I sent him a shrinkwrapped Epic Duels (it was extra) for Lord of the Rings, Friends and Foes, and Sauron. LOTR turned out to be one of my favorite games ever, and the trade went super smooth.

I'm in a different spot, where my trading has winded down mostly because I've gotten to the point where the only things I'm after are hard-to-get items (that I don't really "need") and I've traded and culled out so much of my trade stock that I have little left to offer. Still, trading has been mostly fun for me. I've made some bad ($$$ wise) deal, some great deals, and got to try a lot of things that I never would have tried before. Like Bonaparte at Marengo--that was something I received in trade back when it was in print and people were more willing to trade it. That became one of my favorite wargames, and I probably never would have played it if not for BGG's trading system.


I've even been guilty of doing something I never thought I would--trading for something and then trading it away before I ever played it! It was so bad at one point that the first place I was hitting every day was the Trade match tool. It's addicting!


The last time I had to send out stuff, I too got the sticker shock of not having sent some stuff in awhile. I was sending two games out--Arkadia and CIA vs KGB. I casually told the lady at our post office at work to use FedEx Express Saver. $21~?~??!!?! Whoa, whoa...what? Okay, let's go UPS Ground. Much cheaper, but still $12! Ouch.


So yeah, a combination of factors, but my trade days are winding down too.

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franklincobb wrote:
It was so bad at one point that the first place I was hitting every day was the Trade match tool. It's addicting!


Yeah, I run the trade match about once every couple of weeks. My problem now is that I'm forgetting who I've send trade proposals to and I end up sending the same proposal to someone who previously declined an identical offer. :blush: I guess I need to look at my trading history more.
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