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If BGG Had A Mount Rushmore...
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Mount Rushmore is a gigantic sculpture carved into the side of a mountain in South Dakota. It features the faces of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Theodore Roosevelt.

For those folks who hated history class Washington is on the dollar bill, Jefferson is on the nickel, Lincoln is on the $5 bill, and TR was the crazy guy in Arsenic and Old Lace...

What if BGG had a Mount Rushmore monument?

Which four faces would you pick?

This list was inspired by a silly comment from jarredscott78 in a Geek of the Week thread. Thanks for the spark!

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1. Board Game: Little Wars [Average Rating:6.81 Overall Rank:4182]
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H.G. Wells (an early inspiration for my childhood interest in military miniatures)

Charles S. Roberts (founded Avalon Hill and "created" the modern wargame hobby)

Redmond Simonsen (for his influence on graphic design in wargames)

Aldie (for putting up with all of this nonsense and giving us a sandbox to play in)
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And 'moi' would 'be' the "Groucho" visage 'disgracing' ANY! robot
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Say what?
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2. Board Game: Tactics II [Average Rating:5.24 Overall Rank:7491]
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Let's go with Charles S. Roberts for starting the wargame part of the hobby.

Gary Gygax (nod to Dave Arneson but Gygax's profile was higher) for role playing games.

JRR Tolkien for inspiring much of modern fantasy; even non-LOTR themed fantasy games owe much to Tolkien's creation of the fantasy literary genre.

Fourth head is hard. Can't be Aldie, because if he's carved in stone he can't run the Geek. I guess you can't go wrong with Knizia for being the most famous Euro designer.
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3. Board Game: Acquire [Average Rating:7.43 Overall Rank:99]
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Speaking strictly in terms of games and game designers, I would put up:

Sid Sackson
Reiner Knizia
Gary Gygax
Richard Garfield

Like the presidents on Mount Rushmore, not everything these designers have produced is good (in fact some is outright crap), but the great things they contributed to gaming are above and beyond what most other designers have done, and had a larger effect on the greater gaming world than other designers.
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You posted this while I was typing mine! We are pretty close.
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Sid Sackson would be an outstanding choice.

My wargame bias is showing... blush
 
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I would go with game designers, and try to represent the best from the different genres of games.

1. Reiner Knizia

2. Charles S. Roberts

3. Sid Sackson

4. Richard Garfield?

Not sure....
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How does Charles Roberts represent the best of war gaming?
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Hmmm, Andy one might ask the same of other designer's from other genre's on this list. Certainly being the first is worth something? Eh Mr. Washington?
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moss_icon wrote:
How does Charles Roberts represent the best of war gaming?


Not necessarily the best. But the first.
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5. Board Game: The Hamsters [Average Rating:4.09 Unranked]
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My face, four times, in different poses.
One happy, one wrathful, one thoughtful and one pensive.
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No...your face, 3 times, AND your avatar (animated, natch!)
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Your avatar 3 times and you once.
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Tim, Preston, with all due respect how could you suggest anything less than 4-0 for Avatar-Luke? I'm sure Luke's a good looking guy and all, but...
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6. Board Game: Fan Craze [Average Rating:0.00 Unranked]
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I'd pick 4 random gamers/fans of gaming and put their faces on Mt. GameMore.

Why?

Because without the gamer to play and want to purchase the game, all the designers in the world aren't going to make a "hobby", well, a "hobby."



Or to be really fair, I'd pick 2 Designers and 2 random gamers, showcasing the symbiotic relationship between the two.
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I disagree. Gary Gygax, for example, invented the RPG industry before there was any demand for such. He pretty much created the RPG hobby out of nothing (except for his own original invention, Chainmail).
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I would agree that he created a whole new game type/genre but without fans or gamers who wanted to actually BUY that new genre, it'd be stillborn and we'd have never gotten to know the famous Mr. Gygax. I believe my point still stands in this regard but I'm certainly not denying the importance of our beloved Game Designers, either.
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There's always the excuse for this argument. While I won't take anything away from Mr Gygax and his friends and colleagues, I do tend to think that he has the status of the Wright Brothers in this respect - he wasn't necessarily the first to have the idea, or even to execute it properly, but he's the one who will be recorded in the history books. There seems to be decent anecdotal evidence that RPGs - even with the proviso of D&D being fantasy - were evolving naturally out of the wargame environs; we shall never really know who else was already there, or at a similar breakthrough point.

But, as with the Wright Brothers, it's still pretty churlish to make serious protests. So I won't.
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by that logic mt rushmore would be 4 random americans....
 
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7. Board Game Publisher: Parker Brothers
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Here's my list:

1) George S. Parker
2) Milton Bradley
3) Charles S. Roberts
4) Gary Gygax
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I definitely think Mr. Parker deserves a nod. In many ways he took games from a means of moral instruction into an intellectual passtime. He may, in fact, be the Alpha Geek.

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8. Board Game: Founding Fathers [Average Rating:7.17 Overall Rank:429]
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I agree with Hancock's reasoning, but since the "best" in each category is such a matter of opinion, maybe going with the pioneers in each gaming class represented on this site makes more sense. So I'd nominate this quartet:

1. Sid Sackson (Father of Modern Gaming--how can you have a monument and not include Sid? Maybe you'd want to have Alex Randolph peering over his shoulder.)

2. Charles Roberts (Wargames)

3. Wolfgang Kramer (Eurogames--this is based on my contention that Kramer, as the first mainstream "homegrown" German designer, became that country's first gaming superstar after winning back to back SdJ's in the late eighties. You could substitute Rudi Hoffman--who goes back to the sixties--or Randolph if you wished. Maybe even Francis Tresham. Knizia, though a brilliant and remarkably prolific designer, wasn't a pioneer.)

4. Richard Garfield (CCGs)

As much as I'd like to include Gygax or Arneson, this site continues to bar RPGs, so it hardly seems appropriate.

If you wanted to say that Sackson was more or less the first Eurogame designer (a defensible proposition) and therefore sneak in the first "Ameritrash" designer, maybe you'd substitute Larry Harris, who created the old Milton Bradley Gamemaster designs. Perhaps an ATer will have a better suggestion.

Actually, Aldie and Derk would make for a fine monument, but I have no idea what other two heads would join them!
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As much as I'd like to include Gygax or Arneson, this site continues to bar RPGs, so it hardly seems appropriate.


I was all for Gary but if this is the BGG Rushmore then the poster is correct.
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Ahem, Larry I understand your partiality to Mr. Kramer. For El Grande, he will always have my eternal admiration. But honestly, if we are going to identify the "Founding Father" of the Euro game, shouldn't it be Klaus Teuber. Good heavens the man has a legion of Chinese printers making little variants all year long. Its the one Eurogame that might be in "normal" people's houses. And, for many, many gamers in this country, Teuber was responsible for the Gygax or Garfield moment of the Eurogame genre. Acknowledging that Settlers had many antecedents,it awakened most Americans to the European gaming scene.
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9. Board Game: I'm the Boss! [Average Rating:6.92 Overall Rank:424]
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1. Sid Sackson

2. Charles Roberts

3. Alex Randolph

4. Francis Tresham
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I'm nearly with you, Morgan - I'd just substitute Rudi Hoffman in for Roberts. on your list.

Or, going with a different theme, go with George Parker, Milton Bradley, Charles Roberts, and Sid Sackson...
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Tresham is an interesting choice. In some ways, perhaps he is the father of Ameritrash (despite being English). Certainly he was the king of the long-multiplayer game. And should starting the 18xx subhobby count for anything?

Jason
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Tresham.... Good call.
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10. Board Game: War In The East (Second Edition) [Average Rating:6.57 Unranked]
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Jim Dunnigan.

If he doesn't belong on this list nobody does!
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Another fine choice.
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Surely you meant Jim Duggan ...

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Nope old hacksaw couldn't carry Dunnigans coat!
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I doubt Dunnigan would agree with that himself. Shortly before he came out, he did an interview talking about how unsatisfied he ultimately felt about all his game designs. Hell of a guy though.
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he did an interview talking about how unsatisfied he ultimately felt about all his game designs.


Interesting comment.

A person working in a creative field can often take a fresh look at some project completed 10, 15, or 20 years ago and see many aspects that might be improved.

I can look at a game I worked on six months ago and find issues that I'm not pleased with.

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Hell of a guy though.


I agree.

Also an entertaining guest on TV news programs when discussing otherwise dull and dreary (to the average viewer, not to me!) military topics.
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11. Board Game Designer: Donald F. Featherstone
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My Rushmore would have this gentleman over Mr. Wells for inspiration about playing with miniatures and engaging in the history than simply moving the men around.
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I read some of his books in Junior High School!

The lavish illustrations made a huge impression on my 12 year old brain!
 
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12. Board Game: Hoyle's Games [Average Rating:6.81 Overall Rank:3756]
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I'm surprised no one has yet nominated Edmond Hoyle, since card games are a prominent part of BGG.

[And as an irrelevant comment on Gygax's nomination: Arneson is actually the father of roleplaying, adding it to Gygax's published Chainmail, which by itself owes much to Featherstone. So it was Arneson that added the unique part - Gygax deserves credit for recognizing it and publishing it, true, but he's not the father of roleplaying.]
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One of the interesting things about this GeekList is the personal imprint each Geek places on his or her choices...

For many it might be classic board games or Euros, for some it might be card games, for others RPGs, and for a few it might be wargames.
 
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The four kings in the Origins Poker Deck are Gary Gygax, Dave Arneson, James Dunnigan, and Redmond Simonsen...

(Should a person have to be dead to be memorialized in this way?)
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Isn't he the guy who wore no pants and yelled "Freedom!!!"?


This list is more about the kind of guy who wore plaid pants and yelled "Meeple!!!"

 
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I gave you a thumbs up for the Arsenic and Old Lace comment; one of my favorite movies.
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matthan wrote:


Sweet. I have new wallpaper for my computer!
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You forgot something:

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