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Which historical battle is the topic for the most wargames? STALINGRAD
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xlhrider started an interesting thread asking the question of which historical battle is the topic of the most wargames. As the thread demonstrates, this is difficult to determine. The idea of this geeklist is to use a 'wiki' strategy and let several users contribute so as to get as complete an accounting as possible.

There will be some debate on which games belong. As a starting point lets use these rules:

If a game is on some aspect of the battle, it belongs on the list. For example, a game about the 20th Maine or Little Round Top belongs on the Gettysburg list, since it obviously indicates an interest in that battle.

If a game is focused on a broader campaign, but simply includes the battle in question, it does not belong on the list. Only if the battle is the primary focus of the game, does it belong. So, for example, A Victory Lost, which includes Stalingrad as abstraction only, does not belong, but Stalingrad Pocket II does, since, while it focused on the outskirts of the battle, the clear design focus is on portraying how the battle on the flanks impacted the overall battle. Obviously, then, games focused on the entire multi-year Eastern Front do not belong on the Stalingrad list either.

Go ahead and include mutliple entries if a game has multiple editions. I think if a game is popular enough to get revised and reprinted, it demonstates an enduring interest in the topic.

We'll have to debate the games a bit to firm up the crieria I think.

The complete list of geeklists in the series can be found here:

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1. Board Game: Streets Of Stalingrad 3rd Edition [Average Rating:7.51 Overall Rank:1360]
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The big dog. OOP. Cover the battle just outside and within the city at company level.
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THE Holy Grail of Stalingrad games!
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Reading up on the rules for this one right now, in anticipation of playing the full campaign game.
2. Board Game: Storm Over Stalingrad [Average Rating:7.39 Overall Rank:709]
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New area impulse game from MMP. Simplier than its big brother Turning Point Stalingrad. Uses cards.
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Neat game.
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Elegant design, quick playing, actually does the history well; and, FUN!

Best WWII war game of 2008 IMHO.thumbsupthumbsup
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Agreed on that.
3. Board Game: Turning Point: Stalingrad [Average Rating:7.18 Overall Rank:560]
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Area impulse game from AH.
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4. Board Game: Stalingrad: A Walk in Hell [Average Rating:4.67 Unranked]
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Heres one.
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5. Board Game: Battle for Stalingrad [Average Rating:7.15 Overall Rank:2143]
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John Hill of Squad Leader fame is the designer here....
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6. Board Game: Stalingrad Pocket - 2nd Edition [Average Rating:7.30 Overall Rank:819]
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Most of the game map is outside the city limits, but the battle within the city is included, and what happened on the flanks pretty much drove what happened in the city.
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It's all well and fun...but the SETUP...moan...it's painful.
7. Board Game: Red Barricades - ASL Historical Module 1 [Average Rating:8.62 Unranked] [Average Rating:8.62 Unranked]
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The first—and to many still the best—of the line of Historical ASL modules. Covers the fighting in the Barrakady area of northern Stalingrad.
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8. Board Game: Valor of the Guards - ASL Historical Module Number 7 [Average Rating:8.91 Unranked] [Average Rating:8.91 Unranked]
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The most recent Historical ASL modules, depicting the fighting for the Central Railway Station.
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9. Board Game: ATS Stalingrad: Dzerhezinsky Tractor Works 1942 [Average Rating:7.88 Overall Rank:1542]
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Here's another one.
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10. Board Game: Dzerhezinsky Tractor Works [Average Rating:7.33 Unranked] [Average Rating:7.33 Unranked]
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Yet another - same as above, I believe, but for ASL. Owned this at one time.
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11. Board Game: Combat! Stalingrad [Average Rating:6.43 Unranked]
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Pre ATS system by Critical Hit.
12. Board Game: Combat Commander: Battle Pack #2 – Stalingrad [Average Rating:8.54 Unranked] [Average Rating:8.54 Unranked]
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I was tempted to just put Combat Commander, but that would probably not be specific enough for some... :arrrh:
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13. Board Game: Operation: Thunderclap [Average Rating:9.00 Unranked]
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;) The "Relief" for that 'place' and just short of its 'objective'. robot
14. Board Game: ATS Basic Game II: Streets of Stalingrad [Average Rating:7.43 Overall Rank:1662]
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Basic ATS Stalingrad
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15. Board Game: Fire on the Volga [Average Rating:6.79 Unranked]
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I also thought about some other titles that might not include "Stalingrad" in the title, but perhaps some geographical references - in this case "Volga". There are some other games with Volga in the title, but I was not familiar enough with the games to add (or dismiss them).

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This and Battle For the Factories are "halves" of the original Phoenix Streets of Stalingrad. The two NOVA titles are made with 1/2" counters, rather than 5/8" and the maps are of correspondingly reduced. The problem is that the two halves do not add up to a complete SoS. One of the more earnestly sought grails is the expansion counters that allow you to play the last three scenarios of SoS.

The games differ from the Third edition of SoS primarily in the combat system. In the original the defender gets first fire against one attacker, the attacker then totals his fire factor against ONE unit in the defender's hex and rolls to see if he kills the target. If the defending target survives the combat is over, but if the defender is killed the attacker can initiate the combat routine again (defensive fire, attacker loss, attacker fire) until he wins, fails or gives up. The decision of what to target may not be trivial (unless there is a sniper involved, always kill snipers!).
16. Board Game: Struggle for Stalingrad [Average Rating:5.45 Unranked]
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Area movement showing the battle for the city itself. Small and quick, hurt by an unnecessarily ugly map.
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Surprisingly good game with spectacularly bad graphics. Rumour has it the designer was on a tight deadline and couldn't finish the "polished" version of the map in time - so ended up with the play test map becoming the actual map. Neat, quick, and tense though...
17. Board Game: Memoir '44 - Eastern Front [Average Rating:7.99 Unranked] [Average Rating:7.99 Unranked]
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Not strictly a Battle of Stalingrad wargame per se, but the Eastern Front expansion for Memoir '44 provides a scenario (#41) called "[Stalingrad] Red Barricades Factory Complex". The victory condition for the scenario is a whopping 10 medals. That's quite a bloody affair for the M'44 system, quite bloody indeed!

[Note: The image to the left depicts this scenario set up and ready to play.]
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If this counts, then Panzerblitz will count. And then Panzer Leader will count for the Battle of the Bulge and D-Day. A scenario alone probably should make a game about Stalingrad.
18. Board Game: Stalingrad [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:4572]
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Come on guys.
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This one is a bit of a misnomer - as it covers the entire front (minus northern Finland / Murmansk) from the start of Barbarossa to two year into the war.
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deadkenny wrote:
This one is a bit of a misnomer - as it covers the entire front (minus northern Finland / Murmansk) from the start of Barbarossa to two year into the war.


And poorly at that.
19. Board Game: Stalingrad [Average Rating:7.00 Unranked]
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20. Board Game: Turning Point: The Battle of Stalingrad [Average Rating:6.28 Overall Rank:3802]
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I got this one in the '70s along with its sisters: Moscow Campaign, Kursk, Destruction of Army Group Center, and Breakout & Pursuit. They all used the move-shoot-move mechanic pioneered in France 1940. The games were easy to learn and very enjoyable.
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Most of the games after this point are really not about Stalingrad, but the campaign of Army Group South. Though interesting, they probably don't belong on the list, as they are not about the Battle for Stalingrad.

No insult intended, just pointing out that the geeklist is supposed to contain games about the actual battle, not the campaign.

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This points to an issue that I raised here: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/39227
in the 'companion' Waterloo Geeklist, which is regarding the 'scale' to be considered. For Waterloo, examples were given of games that cover a small part of the Waterloo battlefield, the Waterloo battlefield itself, the slightly wider 'campaign', encompassing Ligny and Quatre Bras or even the large scale campaign in Belgium. Similarly, for Stalingrad, is one to consider 'tactical' games / scenarios covering a small part of the fighting in Stalingrad (e.g. counterattack of the Guards in Squad Leader)? Games covering the fighting 'in' the city itself, or the wider German offensive to Stalingrad and the Soviet counterattack on the flanks surrounding the 6th Army?
21. Board Game: Battle for Stalingrad Micro Game [Average Rating:6.00 Unranked]
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22. Board Game: Battlelines: The Stalingrad Campaign [Average Rating:6.58 Overall Rank:3092]
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23. Board Game: Campaign to Stalingrad [Average Rating:6.55 Overall Rank:3178]
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24. Board Game: Drive on Stalingrad [Average Rating:6.06 Overall Rank:3405]
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Used the very popular Panzergruppe Guderian system, but the original SPI edition has problems.
25. Board Game: Fortress Stalingrad [Average Rating:6.36 Overall Rank:3793]
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Do "expansions" (i.e., Historical ASL modules) count for this?
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Expansions - hm. We said yes to multiple editions, should we include expansions too? Go for it.
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Rindis wrote:
Do "expansions" (i.e., Historical ASL modules) count for this?


He did put Red Barricades - ASL Historical Module 1 and Valor of the Guards - ASL Historical Module Number 7, so I would say yes.
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After he said yes, I added those.
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Memoir'44 should be on here as well, I recall there are Stalingrad scenarios in it. It's added to the Bulge list for this reason as well, that's why it should be here too then.
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