Which historical battle is the topic for the most wargames? STALINGRAD
Andrew Carlstrom
United States San Marcos California
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xlhrider started an interesting thread asking the question of which historical battle is the topic of the most wargames. As the thread demonstrates, this is difficult to determine. The idea of this geeklist is to use a 'wiki' strategy and let several users contribute so as to get as complete an accounting as possible.
There will be some debate on which games belong. As a starting point lets use these rules:
If a game is on some aspect of the battle, it belongs on the list. For example, a game about the 20th Maine or Little Round Top belongs on the Gettysburg list, since it obviously indicates an interest in that battle.
If a game is focused on a broader campaign, but simply includes the battle in question, it does not belong on the list. Only if the battle is the primary focus of the game, does it belong. So, for example, A Victory Lost, which includes Stalingrad as abstraction only, does not belong, but Stalingrad Pocket II does, since, while it focused on the outskirts of the battle, the clear design focus is on portraying how the battle on the flanks impacted the overall battle. Obviously, then, games focused on the entire multi-year Eastern Front do not belong on the Stalingrad list either.
Go ahead and include mutliple entries if a game has multiple editions. I think if a game is popular enough to get revised and reprinted, it demonstates an enduring interest in the topic.
We'll have to debate the games a bit to firm up the crieria I think.
The complete list of geeklists in the series can be found here:
Waterloo Stalingrad Battle of the Bulge Gettysburg
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Andrew Carlstrom
United States San Marcos California
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The big dog. OOP. Cover the battle just outside and within the city at company level.
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Andrew Carlstrom
United States San Marcos California
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New area impulse game from MMP. Simplier than its big brother Turning Point Stalingrad. Uses cards.
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Andrew Carlstrom
United States San Marcos California
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Area impulse game from AH.
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4.0 Rules
United States Rutland Vermont
Drop the dice and step away from the table!
Move along, nothing to see here!
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Heres one.
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suPUR DUEper
United States Villa Hills Kentucky
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John Hill of Squad Leader fame is the designer here....
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Andrew Carlstrom
United States San Marcos California
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Most of the game map is outside the city limits, but the battle within the city is included, and what happened on the flanks pretty much drove what happened in the city.
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James Lowry
Spain Sunnyvale California
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The first—and to many still the best—of the line of Historical ASL modules. Covers the fighting in the Barrakady area of northern Stalingrad.
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James Lowry
Spain Sunnyvale California
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The most recent Historical ASL modules, depicting the fighting for the Central Railway Station.
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Ae2 DL2o3DG
Spain Stay Antonio!
Korea is now up for pre-order!
BOO!
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Here's another one.
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Ae2 DL2o3DG
Spain Stay Antonio!
Korea is now up for pre-order!
BOO!
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Yet another - same as above, I believe, but for ASL. Owned this at one time.
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Brad Wagnon
United States Aurora Colorado
Cybertronic: Superior by design.
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Pre ATS system by Critical Hit.
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"Got Trololo?"
Canada Vancouver BC
Roger's Reviews: check out my reviews page, right here on BGG!
Who let this guy become wargame subdomain moderator anyways?
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I was tempted to just put Combat Commander, but that would probably not be specific enough for some...
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Robert Wesley
Nepal Aberdeen Washington
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The "Relief" for that 'place' and just short of its 'objective'.
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Michel Boucher
Canada Ottawa Ontario
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Basic ATS Stalingrad
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Andrew Kluessendorf
United States Waukesha Wisconsin
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I also thought about some other titles that might not include "Stalingrad" in the title, but perhaps some geographical references - in this case "Volga". There are some other games with Volga in the title, but I was not familiar enough with the games to add (or dismiss them).
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Elwyn Darden
United States Richmond Virginia
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Area movement showing the battle for the city itself. Small and quick, hurt by an unnecessarily ugly map.
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László K.
United States Hopatcong New Jersey
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Not strictly a Battle of Stalingrad wargame per se, but the Eastern Front expansion for Memoir '44 provides a scenario (#41) called "[Stalingrad] Red Barricades Factory Complex". The victory condition for the scenario is a whopping 10 medals. That's quite a bloody affair for the M'44 system, quite bloody indeed!
[Note: The image to the left depicts this scenario set up and ready to play.]
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Ralph T
United States Long Beach California
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Come on guys.
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Ralph T
United States Long Beach California
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OMG They Killed Kenny
Canada
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OMG They Killed Kenny
Canada
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OMG They Killed Kenny
Canada
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OMG They Killed Kenny
Canada
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OMG They Killed Kenny
Canada
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OMG They Killed Kenny
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I think the first three scenarios of Squad Leader almost qualify the game here, since anyone who came up through the SL-GI system almost always has fond memories of learning the system with "The Streets of Stalingrad". The memories of the game are probably better than the actual scenarios.
Being part of the Programmed Instruction didn't hurt either...