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This geeklist is meant to help a beginner get started painting miniatures using a 'quick and dirty' method called "The Dip." Painting figures this way won't get you award winning miniatures, but they will turn out well enough that you will be proud to play with, and display, them. And if you're like me, well painted miniatures will greatly enhance your enjoyment of almost any game game.

If you are just starting with painting, or if you, like me, lack the patience to paint multiple layers of shading, or you simply want to paint a large army fast, you may want to consider this method.

When viewed at normal game play distance, 'Dipped' figures look great. As an additional bonus, figures painted this way are very durable as they have two layers of finish on them. When not in use, I throw my figures in a bag or box together, and I even let my young boys play with them like action figures.

Fellow BGGer Paul goldenboat O'Connor taught me this method, and inspired me with his painted Battle Lore set. I created this geeklist to pass that knowledge along.

Please feel free to offer more tips or strategies to help the newbie, or show and describe your own advanced techniques and results.

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Trim off the flash

The first thing you should do is trim off any extra pieces of plastic. Often, there are small lines along seams. I usually ignore those, but I do remove any obvious lumps or bumps that will show up when done. For better results you can really smooth all the little seams, but my method is about keeping it simple, fast, while acheiving solid but not spectacular results - its up to you how much time you want to invest in each figure.
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If you want to "go the extra couple of kilometers" you can trim the mould line with a sharp hobby knife of file.

The dip/ink/shading will tend to settle in grooves in the model and moulding lines give you shading where you don't really want them.
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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have to ask: Is there any difference, paint and technique wise, between the hard plastic minis, and the soft plastic minis (like in Runebound)?
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berserkley wrote:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have to ask: Is there any difference, paint and technique wise, between the hard plastic minis, and the soft plastic minis (like in Runebound)?


Not a stupid question at all. I've used this technique on both soft and firm minis (for example, the minis in Space Hulk which are stiff, and Descent minis, which are mushy). Seems to work equally well on both.
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Prime the figures

I think pretty much any basic white primer from your game or hobby store will do. I haven't tried anything from a Home Depot or other home improvement store - perhaps someone who has can chime in. (For me the few exrta bucks for hobby paint is no big deal, you don't use that much primer anyway.)

I use white primer. Since the dip tends to darken the figures, you want to start with bright colors. I've never tried it, but I've been told black primer makes the paints a bit richer and darker, but again, that's what I use the dip for.

Do this outside, or at least through down a lot of newspaper, because there will be overspray.
To prime the figures, first set up a large batch. If you are painting many similar figures, do all of one time (for example, all the infantry from Battle Cry or all the bestmen from Descent) in one batch.

Here, I'm painting the figures for Heroquest.

Line the figures up on cardboard, leaving a few inches between each one. Spray the paint from 12 to 18 inches away, and keep the can moving back and forth. Spray front, back, and each side quickly. A light coat is enough. If you still see some color poking through, that is okay, as long as at least a dusting of primer covers the figure. (Don't worry if armpits and other hard to reach areas aren't covered.)
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Black is much, much easier to paint than white as very small patches that happen to be missed, don't matter as much. You have to watch out though it isn't very good for light colours, but on stuff like Orcs and other dark stuff it will save you a lot of time and also look better, if you aren't that good or new. Good painters to my knowledge prefer white (generally), as the model can look better, but for some one of my level black was a much better option, I painted way to many miniatures with a white undecoat. If you are a beginner or want to paint an entire army I heavily recommend black as long as you are painting something reasonably dark.

I used to paint WWII for FoW and unless you do stuff from the desert it was almost always much better with a black undercoat.
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I used one of the 'big name' hardware store brands of plastic primer for my Shadows Over Camelot figures. It worked well, and was significantly cheaper than hobby brands. Read the label, shake the can FOREVER, and err on the light side (that goes double for sealant at the end of your project).

The tips and guidelines everyone stated above are great. For brush painting (as I did), I would suggest the black (of course, this could be project dependent). Using white primer takes a lot longer, as you HAVE to get every little detail.

If you're a beginner and painting with brushes, you probably want black primer. It'll add 'shadows' in for you anyways and make the colors pop. =)

As stated above, this advice may not hold true for the method detailed by this geeklist...
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I've used everything from the expensive Games Workshop primer to the cheapest available (99 cents at Wal-Mart) and found that the cheap stuff works just fine. The only thing is, only the black and white cheapo stuff works. If you want to prime in another color (a dark green for orks, for example) you will want to go with one of the better brands to get good results.
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I didn't see anything as low as 99 cents, but found that the standard Krylon designed for plastics was about $6 at my local hardware store. It's basically the same price as Armoury primer or Board to Pieces. Even the sorts not specifically for plastic were all in the $5 range or so.
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Set up a comfortable, well lit work area

Ice cold Guiness is optional, but highly recommended. :)

If you have a space where you can leave everything set up all the time, that is even better. If you're like me, though, you put everything away between painting sessions, and you'll want to keep everything in one place and well organized. I recently bought a 'lazy susan' from Walmart ($10) to hold my paints. It's great because it rotates so I can get to any color very easily.

You also need a cup of water and a sheet or two of paper towel to wipe your brushes.
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If you have a space where you can leave everything set up all the time, that is even better.


But be careful about it...

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Guiness should never be served ice cold. ;)


We now have the beginnings of a good Irish brouhaha over Guinness between two guys who can't even spell it. :p

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I was wondering when someone was going to point that out....

.......waiting the required 3 minutes before sipping on mine that's been freshly pulled. AAAHhhhhhhh....now that's a beer.
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PurpleBeard wrote:
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Guiness should never be served ice cold. ;)


We now have the beginnings of a good Irish brouhaha over Guinness between two guys who can't even spell it. :p

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I was wondering when someone was going to point that out....

.......waiting the required 3 minutes before sipping on mine that's been freshly pulled. AAAHhhhhhhh....now that's a beer.



Guinness is a traditionally called a stout... I do prefer mine as cold as possible when outside Ireland...
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Could we get back to the painting, please?

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and a sheet or two of paper towel to wipe your brushes.


I assign a washcloth to permanent duty. I can wet the washcloth, set it to the side and wipe brushes all day long on it.

Then when I clean up the washcloth can also be used to wipe cups, paints, etc.

Rinse and saved for next use.

Find it much more convenient in the long run.
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Brushes and paints

I tend to use whatever is cheap and easy to get. For brushes, I go to Michael's (a craft store chain) and buy their brushes...they are a few bucks each. I use the smallest brushes they have: either 5/0, the even smaller 10/0, and their tiniest 18/0. It makes it much easier to reach the small nooks and crannies you will find on the miniatures.

After a while, the brushes get frayed or more frequently bend (see pictures). At that point, toss them (or save them for dry brushing or the dipping step) and start with a new one. I'm sure there are better brushes out there, and they may even help get better results. But again, I'm going for quick, cheap, and solid results.

For paint, again, I simply get what they sell at my local store for about $3 each: Citadel Color. I'm sure there are better paints, but these work fine for me. I began with a Starter Kit which included 8 basic colors, and have been adding colors ever since. I like to have 2 to 4 shades of every primary color (red, blue, green, browns, skin tones and metallics) along with one or two other colors (orange, yellow, pink, purple, etc) You really don't need this many colors, since you can simply mix colors together. I find the extra colors worth while, though, since I can paint faster without slowing to mix colors, and if I need to recreate a mixed color later, it can be hard to match.
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I'm the opposite. I buy the best brushes I can afford and look after them. The point on the brush matters more than the size of the brush. Better quality brushes keep their points longer.

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Amazingly, a wormhole to Hell did not appear.


cmontgo2 wrote:
Who cares what others say.


That's pretty much what I feel as well, but I've received enough quizzical looks that I thought I'd ask some more experienced painters and see if there's some kind of common knowledge reason for that reaction that I'm just not aware of.

For my part, Testors paints are cheap ($1.50 per bottle for the small ones), coat nicely, can be mixed and thinned well, come in a dizzying array of colors and textures, and look pretty good under a coat of matte finish. As long as I buy the flat paints instead of the gloss ones, I don't usually have problems. Good to know I'm not missing out on some sort of uber-awesome painting experience by eschewing the GW paints.

Thanks for helping to shed some light on this. :)
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That's pretty much what I feel as well, but I've received enough quizzical looks that I thought I'd ask some more experienced painters and see if there's some kind of common knowledge reason for that reaction that I'm just not aware of.


Because many people (particularly gamers) like to feel superior to others, and look for ways to flaunt their superiority. It's their problem, not yours.
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For my part, Testors paints are cheap ($1.50 per bottle for the small ones), coat nicely, can be mixed and thinned well, come in a dizzying array of colors and textures, and look pretty good under a coat of matte finish. As long as I buy the flat paints instead of the gloss ones, I don't usually have problems. Good to know I'm not missing out on some sort of uber-awesome painting experience by eschewing the GW paints.


In the SH threads I decided to actually work out the cost of various brands of paint. This is all based on MSRP, but you can often find these cheaper in many places except for GW which is rarely discounted.

I crunched the numbers, worked out the cost per ml and then in a later post composed this simple chart. It assumes the price for a theoretical 15 ml bottle from each company based on their per ml pricing for their regular bottles. In the case of Tamiya I used their large bottles as they're a better value.

Citadel $4.65
Testors $3.29
Reaper $2.99
Vallejo $2.63
P3 $2.50
Tamiya $1.95

If you want to save money and get equivalent colors to GW Vallejo's Game Color line is essentially just a rip-off of GW with paints that are even named just close enough to get away with it (e.g. Blood Red -> Bloody Red). A more complete color comparison chart can be found at:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_...

Something to keep in mind as well is that Reaper and Vallejo sell their paints in eyedropper bottles which some people prefer because it's easier to measure paint for mixing and they tend not to dry out as easily, all the other companies sell their paints in open-top pots. It's a personal preference though so pick what you like best.

Edit: I haven't tried them, but I'm told that Testors and most standard art store acrylic paints tend to be rather thick. If you choose to go with one of those keep in mind that you'll need to thin it appropriately.

I'd also check around in the Space Hulk forums. There have been a lot of threads about painting recently and you'll likely pick something up even if it doesn't apply directly to what you want to do.
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I usually shop GW brushes because they are easy to find and are good quality. However if I can find brushes at a hobby store that are sized small enough and are made from red sable I will usually buy them. Most of my brushes have lasted many years with good care, and I only have every used water to clean them.

As for paints I tend to use any of the major brand acrylic paints for miniatures. I will usually only stick with a single brand because the colors match and are avaliable. Although GW has screwed me by changing colors in the past.

Great list BTW!
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Choose colors

I find this one of the hardest steps to painting - picking the color pallete for each figure. Luckily, many games come with color cards of the miniatures, and I generally do my best to simply match those colors. This take the load off my rather anemic creativity, and has the added benefit of making it easy to match up miniatures to cards (especially important for Descent Heroes if you have all the expansions!)

Another word about color: always pick a shade lighter than you think you need. It will darken up significantly after dipping. The lighter the shade, the more the dip will darken it. Note the picture with thr three green skinned figs. The lighter color on the left looked crazy bright when painted, but really mellowed after the dip.

One drawback of the dip is that you won't get any whites to hold up as white, and even yellows darken up a lot.

On the other hand, dipped figures end up with a very natural tone to them, almost an antiqued look, that I really like. And things that should be white (like skeletons) look dirty and still look white in contrast to the darker colors.
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Paint the figures

This was the most intimidating step to start. Don't worry, using the Dip Method its easy since you don't have to be perfect.

The best tips I can give are:
1) steady the figure and your hand by bracing both against the table
2) just go for it - make confident strokes.
3) paint from the inside to the outside
4) "paint your first colors in large, simple blocks of color. There's no need to try to be very detailed. In fact, that's the beauty of the dip method. The dip will take care of the detailing for you."

(#4 is qouted from David below - he makes a great point that I should have listed, so I added it here. Thanks David!)

Also, trust me on #2 - if you mess up you can easily wait 10 minutes and either paint over it or simply touch up the edges where you went over.

Regarding painting from the inside - do the eyes (if you bother to do them at all - for smaller figures I don't) mouth, and then skin, first. Then do the clothes, and outer layers.

Even if you have little spots between colors that where a tiny bit of white pokes through - don't worry, the dip will cover it. You can simply paint one color for each part of the miniature - no additional layers or shading needed - the dip will take care of the rest. Again, we aren't going for professional results here - just a good solid paint job that will look good on the table. The results will be better than Heroscape quality minis by a large margin.

Regarding bases - I've seen some beautiful figures on BGG with really great bases. I've never tried to flock my bases, but feel free to try it! I simply paint mine black, as it's quick and easy, and I'm happy with the way they look on the game board (they tend to 'disappear' in my mind's eye.)
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It's obvious that you know this, but I thought I'd add the following for anyone unfamiliar with the dip technique:

Paint your first colors in large, simple blocks of color. There's no need to try to be very detailed. In fact, that's the beauty of the dip method. The dip will take care of the detailing for you.
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Just a note on undercoat.
Wash your plastic minis in weak detergent prior to undercoating, as this gets rid of any oil from the manufacturing process.
Undercoat in black allows the DIP to really accentuate your base coat.
When painting the basecoat, leave a thin black line of undercoat between edges of colour. This is equivalent to the ancient art of 'blacklining' and saves you having to do it later!

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I found a great way to hold your figures for painting is to cut the top off a broom stick.

You need to make the cut section the width of your palm, with a small amount of overhang. A broom stick is perfect because it fits comfortably into your hand.

Cut both ends flat.

Grab a big blob of Blu-Tack and stick it to the top of the handle.

Grab the base of the figure and push it into the Blu-Tack.

Voila! You now and a handle to hold your figure, which you can twist & turn to any angle, and you don't rub any of the paint off.
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So could someone comment for me about a problem I'm having?

Just bought some WK40K Space Marines (the current starter set with Orcs, etc.). I prepped and primed them exactly as shown here, except I used black Citadel spray (instead of white).

Anyway, my problem arose when I went to put on my foundation colors. The colors "smear". I don't know exactly how to describe it, but in spots where the bristles of my brush passed through, you could see the black primer coming through, but in other spots, the paint would be thick. I had no end whatsoever of evening out the color. It looked pretty "spotchy", but the best descriptive term I can think of is "uneven"--the coat of paint did not spread evenly.

So, on the next figure, I tried to dilute the paint a little bit, with water, but that only compounded the problem.

I am using a Citadel Starter Brush and the color was Citadel Sunburst Yellow. Any help?

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The reason for the 'splotchyness' is that you're not putting enough on. For some reason the Warhammer minis (and especially the Space Hulk minis) the paint coats very thinly. I've put on a first coat with thinned paint (ie. 25% water, balance paint for acryls) and it coats well.

Essentially, the paint's surface tension is too high for these very smooth models.
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Just bought some WK40K Space Marines (the current starter set with Orcs, etc.). I prepped and primed them exactly as shown here, except I used black Citadel spray (instead of white).

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I am using a Citadel Starter Brush and the color was Citadel Sunburst Yellow. Any help?

The problem is with the sunburst yellow. Citadel, and most other hobby paint makers, use yellow pigments that don't do a good job of covering anything that's not white. I'm told it's due to toxicological reasons. Whatever the reason, sunburst yellow definitely doesn't do a good job covering black.

You should paint the bits you want yellow with white first, let it dry, and then overcoat the white with yellow.

The same goes for most shades of red.
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Paint on the dip

As you can see, I use wood stain for the dip: Minwax PolyShade, Antique Walnut color, Satin Finish stain and polyurethane in one. (Home Depot, around $11.) Get the satin finish as its the least glossy (and even the satin comes out pretty glossy)

This stuff is great because the brown stain works like miniature paint 'inks' and flows to the low points and crevices of the miniature and really brings out the depth and detail. This is my favorite step, because as soon as you paint on the dip, the difference is amazing and the figures really come to life.

Be sure the dip is well mixed, particularly if you just bought the can or haven't painted with it in a while. The brown tint tends to settle in the can, and if you don't mix it up very well, the dip will be too light.

Use a crappy brush, this will kill the brush, particularly since it's oil based and won't clean up with water. You can use thinner to clean the brush, but I buy the really crappy ten for a few bucks brushes at Michaels for this step, and toss the brush when done.

Shake up the dip can well, then just slop the dip on (use a larger brush than when painting so it goes faster). Cover everywhere you painted, including the base, to protece the paint so it won't chip later. If you see bubbles while brushing, don't worry they will go away. Don't leave too much on the figure or it will end up too dark and clumped. Brush a bunch on, then when the brush has less dip on it, brush over whereever there is too much. Basically, you want some dip in the crevices, but not too much on the high surfaces.

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This works great with the standard range of 'stains' for warm colours.
However, over a blue or violet or green mini, things can get a little 'murky' (which is great for orcs, but not pointy-eared flower sniffers!)

So, my tip is to use just plain clear polyurethane varnish with a few drops of ink into it.
The colour of the ink is dependent of the primary colour of the figure.
Yellow figure - orange ink
Red Figure - dark brown or dark purple ink
Orange figure - Red Ink
Blue figure - purple ink
Green Figure - Blue ink
Brown figure - Dark brown ink
Purple figure - dark red, blue or purple ink.

I know this means a little or prep time, often with the varnishes in 'stages', but if you are doing batch units the extra effort can look cool.

Just keep painting!:D


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Of your chosen stained varnish (usually). Thus an easy and efficient way to add shadows to a whole batch of base-coloured minis, and protect them all in one step!
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Yep, Future is a clear, non-toxic, polyurethane varnish that appears to be very popular for a variety of uses when painting miniatures. Check here to find the equivalent brand name for your territory (with pictures) and more than you probably wanted to know about any floor wax that isn't also a dessert topping.
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Is doing the Dip equivalent to using, say, the Citadel Washes sold by GW? I'm starting to paint my collection of Descent figurines and it's the first bit of miniature painting I've done. I've picked up primer and paint, but haven't gotten around to washes/varnish or sealants.

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Weloi Avala wrote:
Is doing the Dip equivalent to using, say, the Citadel Washes sold by GW? I'm starting to paint my collection of Descent figurines and it's the first bit of miniature painting I've done. I've picked up primer and paint, but haven't gotten around to washes/varnish or sealants.

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No washes are different. They take a lot more skill to use than the dip technique.
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How the Dip Method gots its name

This is alternative way to get the dip on your figures. Just dip them in, take them out, and brush off, shake off, let drip off the excess. Personally, I don't do this, because its too messy and not any faster for me. The problem is the figure comes out with too much dip on it, and you end up spending several minutes with a brush wiping off the excess. If you need to do this (I once dropped a figure in the can by accident) simply put on a paper towel, brush off excess, wipe the brush on the paper towel to get some dip off of it, then wipe the figure with the dry brush. Repeat.

I suppose if you had a place to hang them upside down and let them drip this might be faster, but I've never tried.
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This is the "manly" way to dip ... and it takes guts to plunge your carefully-painted figure into that dark maw for the first time ... but when the dip dries on your figure, you'll be a new man. It's like a baptism for miniatures painters. Everything is different after that first time.

I dip everything now. I'd dip my cat if he'd sit still for it.
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Russ - I'm glad you gave it a shot, but sorry you're a bit disappointed by the results.

I think the problem is the black primer - you might want to try a figure or two with white primer with the walnut stain before you change stains.

Also, try just doing a simple coat of paint - even if the coverage is less than perfect, once dipped you may find (as I do) that those slight inconsistencies are not noticeable but simply appear to give the figure more depth.
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I just managed to bollocks an entire set of Space Hulk 3ed Genestealers by Dipping and Dripping.

I attached hangers to the bases of the figs (wire and a dot of super glue), dipped them and did the brush/shake/hang method, and they all ended up with the darkest parts being on the undersides and on their heads. Total cluster!#@$.

So, I would NOT advise dipping and dripping - just brush the material on the figures, or alternatively brush them off if you do the dunk-tank method. I've used this method before, but never with a dark stain, only with clear or 'yellowish' polyurethane, which can create 'nipples' on their head if you're not careful about removing excess, but with a dark stain...bollocks.
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superflypete wrote:
I just managed to bollocks an entire set of Space Hulk 3ed Genestealers by Dipping and Dripping.

I attached hangers to the bases of the figs (wire and a dot of super glue), dipped them and did the brush/shake/hang method, and they all ended up with the darkest parts being on the undersides and on their heads. Total cluster!#@$.

So, I would NOT advise dipping and dripping - just brush the material on the figures, or alternatively brush them off if you do the dunk-tank method. I've used this method before, but never with a dark stain, only with clear or 'yellowish' polyurethane, which can create 'nipples' on their head if you're not careful about removing excess, but with a dark stain...bollocks.


Yikes, sorry to hear that.

No don't let it drip! You have to shake the snot out of it. Take it outside, grab the base with your fingers or (better) a pliers (don't worry, you won't damage anything). Dip the whole thing in and then shake off the excess (VIGOROUSLY) into your lawn. You'll end up with the same amount on your figure as brushing it on, and will actually (in my opinion) yield a more natural-looking distribution. And no need for cheap brushes to buy and throw away. Also, let the dip flow downward, so let them dry standing upright.
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Just dipped 12 miniatures, used Minmax polyshade Antique walnut as recommended. I also used a power drill to shake the excess dip out of them, as someone else recommended, with great results.

I have a few words of wisdom that I would like to share, perhaps someone else can learn from my experience?

1) The power drill is a great idea. However, make sure you get a big nail, with a big enough head, and make sure that the base of the miniature is well glued with crazy glue to the head of the nail. Also, make sure the miniature is well glued to its base. On my first attempt, I glued the base of the mini to the head of the nail with silicone, and it didn't work, it detached as soon as I turned the drill on. After that, I began glueing them with crazy glue (which works great and is easy to detach later -much easier than I thought), but one of the minis was not properly attached to its base, and again, it detached when I turned the drill on. on both occasions, I had to shake the excess dip inside, and by trying not to make a mess, ended up with very dark minis with too much dip on.

2) The great thing about using a drill is that you can end up with a mini with the exact amount of dip you want in it. So dip the mini, and turn the drill on for one second. Then, check it out. if too much dip is still on, turn the drill on for another second. Keep checking the mini until you achieve the desired effect. Went too far and now your mini doesn't look like it has been dipped at all? No problem! Just dip it again, and begin the whole process from scratch. That way you'll end up with just the amount of shading you want, not more, not less. You can see how your mini looks like with different amounts of shading, and experiment a bit, until you achieve the result you want, and if you mess up, you can always start again.

3) Have a small, cheap brush, and some thinner (a small bottle of nail polish remover will do just fine, and its probably cheaper). This will allow you to clear parts of the dipped mini that you don't want covered with the dip (as the dip is brownisn, white cloth or blonde hair will end up looking dirty). Just put on some thinner in the brush, and clean (or minimize the amount of)the dip on those areas. if you want to create highlights, use a similar technique to dry brushing, with a brush wet with thinner. It will clear the dip from the raised parts of the mini, creating highlights. Also, it will help clean the parts of the mini that are now too dark (eyes, mouths).
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Let dry at least 24 hours

I had a hard time capturing the before and after difference of the dip step, its more dramatic in person. The dip brings out the detail and depth nicely, and hides lots of imperfections. The figures come up somewhat glossy. The orcs are before and after, but check out the tail of the green figure, its a more dramatic difference, in depth, detail, and color tone.

In any case, let the dip coat dry at least 24 hours - it's pretty sticky.
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After three days, my trial miniatures are still "tacky" to the touch, especially on the base, which received most of the dip after standing up right overnight.

Is there any way to speed up the drying process?

Bake in the oven at 150° for a few hours, maybe?

Hair dryers at 15 paces?

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I followed the suggestion somewhere in this geeklist to use a power drill to get the excess stain off the mini once it's been dipped. After every 6th figure is dipped and "drilled" I go over them with a brush to mop up any excess stain. Works like a charm and dries in 24 hours.
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how did you attach the drill?
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I read somewhere that you have to be very thorough in shaking the can of minwax before dipping, otherwise you might end up with "tacky" miniatures.

Seems like if the stuff isn't well mixed, the tackiness might never go away.
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how did you attach the drill?


Sorry for the late reply. I mount the minis on flat-headed nails with a little glue and stick them into a piece of styrafoam. The nail doubles as a handle while painting. When I'm ready to dip, I attach the nail to the drill like it was a bit.
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Spay a matte finish over the dip

This step is optional, but I do it. I like my figures with a matte finish, not a glossy one. I find the flesh and cloth looks more realistic (but armor may be better slightly glossy). Its up to you, but one thing to keep in mind is that the extra later of matte finish acts as a second layer to protect your miniatures.

I tried Testors Dellcote but found it actually was too matte, and settled on Game's Workshop Matte Varnish. With just a very quick single spray over front and back, it dull the gloss down just enough.

The pictures on the bottom row show a Heroquest orc, with no dip, after dip, and after dip and matte spray. The red Chaos warrior is shown before and after matte spray.

One other benefit of the matte spray: you can make last minute touch ups on mistakes! On the orc on the right, I forgot to paint his tusks white. The paint will stick on the matte finish, so I will simply repaint the tusks white, dip the tusks only, and spray on the matte again. I've done this with other figures and cannot tell the difference. (I haven't tried touching up on the dip coat alone, I don't know if the paint will stick.)
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You're mileage may vary, but I don't think there's such a thing as "too matte".

I think Dullcote is God's gift to mini painters. :)
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It's a satin or semi-matte finish so it really depends on how glossy or matte you want the figures. Testors Dullcote is, AFAIK, generally regarded to be the most matte sealant you can apply, but it can be a tad pricey. It runs about $5 for a 3 oz. can, compared to the fairly expensive GW Varnish which is $15 for 11 oz., when you're more expensive than GW you're either really working at it or make a really good product that can actually sell at that price. Apparently Dullcote is both.
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Thanks, I'd get that if possible, but I'm not sure that's sold here (or sold by an obsure name, it took me 4 days to find the local equivalent of wood stain), and the local wargamer's store sells the GW purity seal spray (but not the GW matte warnish showed on the pictures here), so that's why I'm asking if that's ok as well.
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I could only get GW purity seal as well. I read somewhere that it gives a satin finish (slightly glossy, but not as glossy as the dip), I too prefer my minis with a light gloss instead of totally matte.

Anyway, I am going to try it on a few minis after the dip, I'll take some pictures of the minis after Dipping them in Minwax Polishade Antique Walnut, and then after applying GW Purity Seal. I might not publish them here, but drop me a line and I'll send you a link to them.

Everywhere I've read, they recommend applying the PuritySeal after thoroughly shaking the can (this seems to be very important), and in non-humid, non-cold environments, not too much, and from the right distance...otherwise you'll end up with "dusty", or "milky" minis... just thought it might be important to bring it up here in case other readers are thinking about applying an additional coat after dipping.

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These figures are durable

One of the real benefits of this painting approach (aside from being easy and fast) is that that figures are really tough. You can bend the swords and weapons and the paint won't crack. You can store them (literally throw them) into a bag or box and they will hold up well. As mentioned previously, I even let my boys use them like action figures and I've yet to have any chip at all.
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One of my first dip projects was to paint everything from Battle Cry. I've been tossing those figures loosely in the box for nearly ten years now, and have experienced little or no chipping of finish thanks to the mighty dip!
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The dip is relatively fast, with good results, even for a beginning painter.

The best thing about this method is that it allows a talentless hack like me to paint tons of figures and get results I am happy with. Check out the picture of Nanok of the Blade up close (the picture in the game's picture slot for this geeklist entry). Look at the muscle definition - I didn't do anything to achieve that - the dip did it all.

And its fast: it takes me probably an hour per figure for Descent Heroes (unique figures with lots of small detail) and less time for multiple figures of the same type. I started painting less than a year ago, and have already painted nearly all my Descent figures (including every expansion) as well as HeroQuest. I'm working on Battle Cry now.

If you've always wanted to paint, but thought you wouldn't be able to, try it. If I can do it, you can too.

But we warned - it takes time and every one of your games with unpainted miniatures will start crying out to you, "paint us, paint us!"

Below are some of my results using this method:




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Anyone interested in this method that wants to pay the little bit extra for a product that is "more suited" for this type of job should check out this site:

http://www.thearmypainter.com/index.php

I've seen and used both methods. I spend the little extra scratch on The Army Painter because I personally think it gives me a little better final result plus they sell an entire line of products.

However, the method above is perfectly suitable.

Well done article.
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To reinforce Andrew's excellent article, the above regiment is an example of one that was painted and then had dip applied by a brush.

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What scalre are these in? 25s? 32s?

Looks brilliant.
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What scalre are these in? 25s? 32s?

Looks brilliant.

Chris, thanks for the kind comment. They are officially large 28s ie., 28mm from foot to eye and that works out about 35mm from bottom of base to top of headgear.

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Great subject, and don't call yourself talentless. These figures look great.
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Can be crass and say its like sex? Nah, I better not.

Sounds like a GeekList in the making.
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Most importantly shake the piss out of the bugger immediately ... then shake it some more. You can always re-dip if it didn't get dark enough, but you can't "undip" it if it dries after you didn't shake it enough.


Well, for the tests I've done so far on my loyal dollar-store army men, I've been using the "drill" technique. It works REALLY well, no mess at all, no tennis-elbow or dislocated shoulder either (from swinging and swinging and swinging...).

I use a small plastic bucket with a piece of cardboard to cover the top. There's a small 2" x 2" hole in the middle of the cardboard. I use double-sided tape to stick the mini to a 4" nail then put the nail on the drill (as if it was a drill-bit. Then I dip the mini, let it drip a few seconds, then I put the mini in the bucket thru the hole and push the trigger for a second 3-4 times, when the mini comes out, most of the dip is gone, it's just a matter of looking for pools and cleaning excess a little bit, VOILA !

A lot less messy and muscle-safe than swinging minis all over the place and can be done on the top of my shop table.

Now, with that being said, I experienced something and would like others opinion about it.
I read somehwere a comment saying that putting a coat of Future prior to dipping really helps getting a nice blending effect. I guess a thin coat of brush-on varnish would do the same. Apparently, some paints have a "rough" texture (a.k.a paint tooth) and this affects how the dip reacts on the paint, i.e. The more smooth the surface is, the better the dip will flow off the raised areas. It seems that it helps avoiding the "dirty" effect the dip leaves on micro-grainy paint textures, when the dip sticks to areas where it should flow instead.

So I tried dipping an unpainted dark-grey plastic soldier. Then I dipped a (grey) painted plastic soldier. The above assumption could be true, I thought the unpainted one looked a lot better than the painted one, which had a uniform/solid grey finish, but a little rough (for a lack of better term) to the touch. The unpainted one had a really nice smooth shiny plastic surface and the blending looked a lot more "natural".

So, has anyone heard that before and how are your paint surfaces prior to dipping? For what it's worth, I'm using Ceramcoat Opaque serie paints, which are really great for craft paints.

Now that I'm thinking of it, I might do a test tonight, with a drop of satin varnish in the paint, seeing if it smooth the texture a bit. If not, I'll just test with brush-on Future or Varnish before dipping.

Okay, this post has become too long, please let me know what you think about above questions.

Cheers guys!

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Here's the link where I found one of the many references about coating the figure with either Future or Varnish BEFORE dipping:
http://15mmvsf.bagofmice.com/paint/dip.html

Youo'll see on the pictures the "rough" texture of the paint I was talking about above.
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I have just finished my painting of Shadows Over Camelot knights and extras. Check out my guide. This is my first miniature painting so jope to hear from you.

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Quick follow-up on my experiments with Dipping.

>I tried both techniques: brush-on, and the "how real-men-do-it" way (actual dip). I much prefer the actual dip. I'm using a drill to remove excess stain and it works like a charm and doesn't do a mess or kill my arm.

>I also tried dipping a painted figure and a painted+varnished figure. In MY experiment, and with the type of paint I'M using (Ceramcoat), the painted+varnished (it's actually painted+clear Future acrylic washed) makes a HUGE difference. The stain flows from raised areas, the colors remain real smooth.

>After much searching, I found a large can of satin Tudor only to find out that I preferred the Royal Walnut I found earlier, at least on warm colors. On greys and blues, I much prefer the Tudor.

Cheers and Happy Dipping!
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