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Oh my god, we have fallen off the map. OR New Zealand, the amazing disappearing country.
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Over the years I've played boardgames on and off. But there has been one strange phenomenon that has never failed to catch my eye. The seeming ability that New Zealand, my homeland, has that allows it to be forgotten, and left off game boards.

Now, just to be clear, I do realise that there is no place for NZ on some game boards. I'm not going to be going "Boo, I can't find New Zealand on this Princes of Machu Picchu board. What if I want to trade llamas for sheep." And I'd be highly suprised if we showed up in any game that involved the ancient Romans or Greeks (I don't think Alexander got quite this far).

What I'm talking about are games that are played on world maps, that, well, don't quite have the whole world on them.

You could say that this ability is a good thing. I bet there are many countries out there that wish they could magically phase out of existance when ever there was a huge war, or a global pandemic (swine what?), so I guess I shouldn't complain too much. So, if you want to live in such a country, then I guess New Zealand is the place for you.

Just hope that your airline doesn't try and use a gameboard to find directions on how to get here.
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1. Board Game: Risk [Average Rating:5.62 Overall Rank:6163]
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This is one of the first boardgames/wargames I can remember playing, and the first time I noticed our absence from a world map. Even at that tender age it used to bug me that we were not there. Especially since I alway thought that pink could have done with more territory.

The young me often wondered why we had been left off. Did the people who designed risk not like us. or were they using a map so old for reference, that we were not yet on it.

The older and wiser (some people might debate that) me just thinks. Hey we are just about the only place in the whole world without armies rampaging back and forth over us. Sweet.

And while the revised edition may have cool little army arrows, factories, and that odd thing that looks like a section of loofer, they still havn't found New Zealand yet.
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No Newfoundland either... soblue
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And Europe is nearly the size of Africa, and look at the size of Ukraine!


Ha ha, the Ukraine. Do you know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting
duck. A road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble.


hmmm... let me go find my furry hat so I can smash your board up for you.
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Get used to it - we Tasmanians get left off all the time!


This is surprising.

One would expect there to be great interest in Tasmanian cartography.
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One would expect there to be great interest in Tasmanian cartography.


snigger chortle...
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but in Risk 2kwhatitsname, YOU'RE IN!kiss
 
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2. Board Game: War on Terror [Average Rating:6.44 Overall Rank:1538]
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It wasn't until I'd really gotten back into boardgames (about two years ago) that I thought about/noticed this strange phenominon again.

We sat down, and my friend opened the war on terror board, and low and behold, there we where not. All my childhood memories of the risk board came flooding back.

It's good to know that i live in a country so benevolent, so non annoying (Unless we have beaten you at rugby again) that we don't even make it onto a boardgame about terrorism. Either that, or we are the global masterminds behind all the woe that is going on in WOT, and left ourselves off the board intentionally.

As a funny little aside, while New Zealand itself is not on the board, there is this, just off the southern coast of Africa.



Which looks a lot like a reference to the Rainbow Warrior bombing that happened in Auckland (my hometown) in 1985.
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No Newfoundland either... soblue
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Yeah, because Newfoundland is such a small island after all.
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Oh yeah, look at Michigan ! At least it is there?
 
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Perhaps Patrick Swayze "paddling to New Zealand"?
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Um, I really wouldn't take a missing island province as that significant in a game like this. You'll notice that hawaii is hardly ever on any of these maps, tasmania is often connected to mainland australia, Japan is often 1 island etc.

Land countries are often conglomerated and broken up into sizes that the particular game maker desires. The only thing that is interesting is which island countries get left off the map.

Apparently (and somewhat unsurprisingly) New Zealand is very commonly left off maps in games. oh well!
 
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3. Board Game: World War IV: One World, One King [Average Rating:6.71 Unranked]
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World War IV. One World, One King. Well guess what, he won't be king of New Zealand, because we're not on the map.

The game is set in 3126, post world war three. So maybe the only maps that survived that disaster were pre Abel Tasmin, and had a great big dragon, or a chubby cheeked cloud (you know, the ones that blow the little ships around on the old maps.) in the space where we normally would go.

Or maybe by 3126 new Zealand has sunk under the waves, like some sheep, and comedy folk duet, ladened Atlantis. If I have kids it might pay to start a family tradition of keeping a rubber raft (and a pump I guess) handy.
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Weird - Tasmania has somehow joined itself to mainland Australia.

Either that or they drained Bass Strait, and used the water to drown New Zealand!
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Woo hoo! Newfoundland is on this one but oddly attached to Labrador; a common error for global board game map designers!


"Oddly attached to Labrador"? Given the opinion of so many Quebecois about Labrador, you should be grateful, mate!



Really, what is it?
 
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Romian wrote:
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Woo hoo! Newfoundland is on this one but oddly attached to Labrador; a common error for global board game map designers!


"Oddly attached to Labrador"? Given the opinion of so many Quebecois about Labrador, you should be grateful, mate!



Really, what is it?


For quite a long time there was a dispute between the Dominion of Canada (province of Quebec, which was pushing for the dispute to be resolved) and the Dominion of Newfoundland as to where the boundary line between the two lay. A British court in the 1920's ruled that ALL of Labrador was Newfoundland territory, which (needless to say) rankled a great many Quebecois, and continues to rankle to this very day. In fact, one frequently finds maps of Canada or Quebec published in Quebec with Labrador as part of Quebec, not Newfoundland! Often, these maps end up in the Quebecois public school system. In 1976, when Rene Levesque was elected as premier of Quebec, he stated that it was his goal to see Labrador returned to Quebec. I can't recall who was the Newfoundland premier at the time, but he said Newfoundlanders would defend the border with hockey sticks, if need be!
Ironically enough, at present there is a sort of Labrador separatist party that is advocating that Labrador belong to neither Newfoundland or Quebec, but be a federally governed territory.
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Woo hoo! Newfoundland is on this one but oddly attached to Labrador; a common error for global board game map designers!


"Oddly attached to Labrador"? Given the opinion of so many Quebecois about Labrador, you should be grateful, mate!



Really, what is it?


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Ironically enough, at present there is a sort of Labrador separatist party that is advocating that Labrador belong to neither Newfoundland or Quebec, but be a federally governed territory.


Yep: that would be the "Labrador Party". Labradorians tend to get a bit irratated by a certain Hydro-electric project deal negotiated by a certain early premier with Quebec. Both the Rock and Quebec managed to stick it to us at the same time. ^^

While I haven't played the game, I do have a theory regarding the conjoined landmass: sometime in the late 3000's there was another Nfld. - QC spat over cartographic differences, and the premier of the day decided just to pave over the straight ala Confederation Bridge so dry goods wouldn't have to be shipped through QC. Either that, or so we could more easily stockpile Nukes in the ancient bunkers on base (in case of outright hostilities with QC). ;-)
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Score another point for the Falklands, although they are combined into one island again.
 
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4. Board Game: Twilight Struggle [Average Rating:8.32 Overall Rank:1]
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Hmmm, I guess we are just not sneaky enough to be included in a game about spies and intrigue.

But considering the fact that we have that great big spy station down south, you would have thought we were worth one place to put a chit.cry (last year some hippies managed to get through the security, and pop one of the big balloon things that cover the dishes with a sickle. D'oh)

Maybe it was our nuclear free policy that did it. Or maybe we are just so darn peaceful that even French rugby players have to make up stories about getting beaten up down here.
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No Newfoundland either... soblue
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PillarofAutumn wrote:
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Who is dumber? A politician that makes an accurate statement, a comedian who thinks she is smarter than everyone else or the person watching who can't tell the difference.

The geek who can't have a good, simple laugh because of the stick he has shoven up his backside.


Tina Fey's caricature of a politician running for Vice-President was funny......ten months ago. My humorous reference is to a senator that has taken office last week. So take your own advice.

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Wow, that's sad.
Even Uruguay is there.
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Corwin1980 wrote:
PillarofAutumn wrote:
Who is dumber? A politician that makes an accurate statement, a comedian who thinks she is smarter than everyone else or the person watching who can't tell the difference.

The geek who can't have a good, simple laugh because of the stick he has shoven up his backside.


There's nothing wrong with stating facts to clear up a misconception. This is how people learn.
 
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3-0 Falklands!
 
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5. Board Game: Pandemic [Average Rating:7.63 Overall Rank:38]
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Oh my god! Four lethal have diseases broken out, and are rampaging across the globe, laying waste to whole cities. (at least it seems that way whenever I play this game)

Oh, wait a moment, Don't panic. Someone here must have closed the borders before the out-breaks started, because there is no sickness in New Zealand. In fact, there is no New Zealand at all!

The people who designed pandemic must consider us to be a race of superpeople, who never sicken. And who's very presents would upset the balance of this game. Or maybe there just wasn't room for another red dot on the board. Who knows.

but wait, whats this?



Do the designers think that including us on the expansion lid can ever salve the anguish of being forgotten from the main game itself?
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The bio-terrorist must come from NZ.
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The Epidemic II online game? Madagascar is a nightmare to infect apparantly.
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Oh yeah, look at Michigan ! At least it is there?
 
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Seeing this geeklist reminded me of the redesign of the pandemic map i did a while ago.

see k1w1's comment






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Wait wait, let me say it:

No Newfoundland again!



Edit: I always wanted to do that!
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Another list of disappearing countries




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Well gosh darn it Batman, I thought I'd managed to come up with new idea for a geek list. Back on with the thinking cap I guess.

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only kiwi to notice this conspiricy to leave us off maps.
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7. Board Game: Risk: The Lord of the Rings Trilogy Edition [Average Rating:6.49 Overall Rank:1052]
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Now I know New Zealand is on this map...
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8. Board Game: Conquest of Paradise [Average Rating:6.80 Overall Rank:915]
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The first time I saw the map for CoP, I remarked to a friend "Where is New Zealand?" I understood that there would be an exploration facet to discovering various Polynesian islands but I thought that New Zealand would be one of the pre-printed islands on the map. Nope. Searching the tiles, I found that Aotearoa could be located just about anywhere in the South Pacific. And that is only the North Island..."Mainlanders" from South Island are left out unless you play with the advanced rules.
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Why would New Zealand be pre-printed on the map? In fact, it was one of the last places discovered by the Polynesians. And New Zealand, because of its size, is the only island group that gets two tiles! How cool is that?

In the basic game, only the North Island is in play- after all, nearly all of the Maori ended up staying on the North Island (and the north end of the South Island). Their tropical agriculture system was not well adapted to the climate of the South Island. The South Island is introduced only in the Advanced Rules because its discovery can be destabilizing to the game- it takes experienced players to know how to react to this major discovery.

Enjoy the two tiles that New Zealand gets! It's really cool how the island graphics line up, too!

Kevin
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Kevin as the author of the game knows what he is writing. I think that including COP in this Geeklist is a mistake. I understand the concept - looking at the game boards - but when it comes to a tile placing game you DO HAVE to look at the tiles too.
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9. Board Game: Age of Steam Expansion: New Zealand [Average Rating:6.66 Unranked] [Average Rating:6.66 Unranked]
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Oh, quit complaining. Claude Parenteau made it up to y'all with this monstrosity of an Age of Steam map:


Is this thing drawn at 100% scale?
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Wow, if that map was any bigger you would be able to see my house.
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I have a copy of this that is movie poster size. Unfortunately that doesn't make it better. Unfortunately it should have been called age of petrol because you just can't build train links the way they have suggested it even if you wanted to. Actaully I don't even think they do direct flights from Auckland to Nelson ... well not often anyway.

This is almost as bad as the new Rio Grande game Maori (with the language mark) which sounds suspicious like our native peoples, the Maori. Am I being over senstitive, probably, but then again they left us off all those maps!!!!
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10. Board Game: Say What!?! [Average Rating:5.39 Overall Rank:6429]
 
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Theres a Country called New Zealand!?!
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No, it´s actually just a myth like Atlantis.
I don´t know what these Australians are smoking...
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11. Board Game: Endeavor [Average Rating:7.57 Overall Rank:68]
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How about a game from NZ designers, about 18th century explorers, named after the ship that brought explorers to New Zealand... except there is no NZ in the game! wow

Still can't wait to play it though
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Actually it isn't named after the ship and isn't really supposed to be about exploration as much as it is about opening up trade.

The game is named after the verb with allusions to the name of the ship. If it was named after the ship we would never have let the 'u' get dropped.

New Zealand is in our hearts though.
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  • Posted Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:39 am
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Yeah I know, but then it doesn't fit the list so well

I was interested to read (I think in the design notes) that there was a pacific region at one stage in the game? It is really interesting to read about the evolution of the game, and the design process. thumbsup
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12. Board Game: Carrier War: the War in the Pacific 1941-1945 [Average Rating:6.50 Unranked]
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Here we go, this thoughtful wargame designer included NZ (at least the North Island). Well done that man.
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13. Board Game: A Brief History of the World [Average Rating:7.19 Overall Rank:793]
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Apparently this "history" is too "brief" to include New Zealand.
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Robert Zitzelsperger
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What is all the fuss about New Zealand being left off?, Most world game maps forget a whole continent...where's Antarctica?
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zaitar wrote:
What is all the fuss about New Zealand being left off?, Most world game maps forget a whole continent...where's Antarctica?

When we start getting complaints from the citizens of Antarctica, we may see more games with that continent
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sigmazero13 wrote:
zaitar wrote:
What is all the fuss about New Zealand being left off?, Most world game maps forget a whole continent...where's Antarctica?

When we start getting complaints from the citizens of Antarctica, we may see more games with that continent


The postcode for the Australian Antarctic Territories is the same as my home town, Hobart.

So technically......

Mind you, Tasmania gets left off most maps of Australia, so it's probably no help.
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14. Board Game: Colonial: Europe's Empires Overseas [Average Rating:7.54 Overall Rank:1079]
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Another fine looking game, (with a beautiful map) about colonial exploits were the lazy colonists can't be bothered to sail as far as NZ.

Is it an attempt to edit us out of history to stop us winning the world rugby world cup again.
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Mark Christopher
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Pfft. "New Zealand." You made it up.
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More games need to use a map something like this...


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i absolutely second that!

there is a episode of west wing, i think it is called "cheese day" in which they explain why.
 
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Heh, I thought that everyone from Malta lived in Melbourne (Australia). It seems around a third of the people at my old high school were maltese.
 
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Of course, we know from Star Trek First Contact that New Zealand will cease to exist some time in the next 53 years.
 
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