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No doubt those of you who have supported Games Workshop in the past by creating files for use with their games will have noticed they are all being deleted from BGG at the behest of their lawyers.

So here's a little paeon to the games that I spent many hours creating rules summaries and reference sheets for that are no longer available here. They're still at my personal site, but I don't imagine they'll be there for long.

No doubt they'll be more items on this list before long.

If you are interested in my opinion of this kind of activity, check out the latest entry on my blog at www.headlesshollow.com.
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1. Board Game: Curse of the Mummy's Tomb [Average Rating:5.19 Overall Rank:7317]
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Yep, my rules summary for this one must have been affecting the GW bottom line ...
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Justinian Herzog
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Indeed it has been affecting their bottom line!
Their lawyers/IP protection subcontractor just got more billable hours!

One of the problems with GW being a publicly traded company with a board full of non-understanders of the hobby market means that they feel obliged to jump on IP protection bandwagons with people who actually have a legitimate claim to be losing money from IP theft--MPAA, RIAA, etc. And we all know how sane they act...

What's especially boggling (and leaves me sure that it's a contractor out for more hours/fulfilling a global mandate to 'protect our IP,' as opposed to being done in-house) is that GW has been out of boardgames for AGES, and has proved that they're not interested in getting back into it, even resorting to licensing their best stuff to FF.

...go figure.
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What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?
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Indeed, in around 2000, we started to see the effects of a policy shift. The cartoony, family-fied imagery was dying away and being replaced with the darker, gritter imagery GW rose to fame with. The drift towards recruiting younger kids was reversed, and they moved back to the secondary-school age and above crowd, with more emphasis on the "veterans".
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While at the same time giving the backhand to the veterans who don't "upgrade" every time. WOTC has had a simmilar attitude over the years. Though less overt than GW most of the time.
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What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?
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While at the same time giving the backhand to the veterans who don't "upgrade" every time. WOTC has had a simmilar attitude over the years. Though less overt than GW most of the time.


As a veteram, while I can se *an* argument for not changing the rules, I don't see a new MRB every four years and a new army book every six (ish) years, accompanied by a handful of minis to round things out, as being a major expense (around £1.25 a month to keep current) for my hobby.

Plus you don't *have* to upgrade. You could happily go and play earlier editions of you wanted. The only reaso to keep current is if you want to.
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  • Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:37 pm
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Neither company has treated its vetran players overwell in one way or another over the years and both from the exec level have had pretty dim views of vetran players from point to point. They just go about it diffrently.

The real jab comes mostly only if you do the Tournament play nigh exclusively, or the local group is fanatical about it. Or the local GW shop is enforcing company rule on whats allowed. Big factors depending on ones locale or outlook. Or minor factors for the same.

Been to two GW shops in wildly diffrent locales and ran into the same problem of enforcement of this very thing. Others I've talked with have had it either none at all, or to lesser degrees. And thats just in the US shops.

Back on topic:
We'll see more of these purges here and there no matter. And theres likely many we will just never know of.
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2. Board Game: Blood Bowl (Third Edition) [Average Rating:7.54 Overall Rank:130]
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A big shout out to the fans who supported this game all the years that GW ignored it.
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They have a computer game based on this now. So I'm sure your player aid would of affected sales in some way. angry

I was thinking of buying it on Steam, but no longer.
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Get those Blood Bowl microbadges while you still can!
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  • Posted Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:38 am
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http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2946...

In this thread you can read how Gallakstarscraper has been purged from the BB rules comitee. After 3000 hours of unpaid work for the game.
Just because he is his utmost fan!!! zombie
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  • Posted Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:08 pm
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I cannot post there, so I will thanks Gallak here:

THANKS GALLAK!!!!!
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If you want online Blood Bowl, check out http://fumbbl.com. It still uses LRB 4, but it has excellent competition and is free! I highly recommend it

The PC game is a great way to learn the game, since you can play against an easy AI controlled opponent just to get the feel of the game down. The online on the other hand is shake
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3. Board Game: Judge Dredd [Average Rating:6.09 Overall Rank:2776]
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Can anyone actually play these games with just a rules summary? Actually, does anyone actually play a game like this anymore at all?
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Actually played this at my games club about 6 months ago. We all had a lot of fun with it, still a good playable game. Components are awful by current standards and we got lots of comments about needing sunglasses to play due to the very loud map.
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I still consider this one to be a classic beer'n'pretzels game. Fast-moving, fun and furious, excellent theme/mechanics match-up and a fine gateway game for non-gaming friends.
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This is a fairly simple game, not sure why a rules summary would be needed. I've played it in the last 6 months and it's fun, nothing too deep though.
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I still play this regularly with my family. It's gold, from a time when GW was a wonderful discovery and you could buy this for £7.50 delivered.
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4. Board Game: Chaos Marauders [Average Rating:5.76 Overall Rank:4040]
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The question is, will GW strong-arm Fantasy Flight to employ the same tactics with the games that FFG licences from them?
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Yeah, let's hope not.
Fantasy Flight is the owner of the rights now (or are they?), so they should say: "Screw you guys. Go die in a fire."
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  • Posted Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:24 pm
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Did they SELL the rights, or license them. Just like most game designers, they probably retained the copyrights and licensed their use. That way if the copyright is abandoned (OOP), they can clawback the copyright and reprint themselves or re-license.
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Suffice to say:

They don't leave it up to FFG, they do it themselves.

Without FFG's knowledge.

So yea.... nothing changes with it being FFG's games, GW still acts like a bull in a china shop.
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Actually the way I hear it, it was part of the deal with FFG.

i.e. Its FFg behind all this NOT GW for a change.

Wouldn't surprise me after the way they treated WFRP...
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  • Posted Thu Oct 7, 2010 3:47 am
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You heard absolutely wrong.
 
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5. Board Game: Rogue Trooper [Average Rating:5.92 Overall Rank:4119]
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Another game long, long out of print. Why bother having the file removed?
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And I just received my copy! gah!
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I remember having fun with this one. A good theme I think - although admittedly esoteric.
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6. Board Game: Warhammer Quest [Average Rating:7.37 Overall Rank:331]
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The sad thing is, if some of these games had been supported by the company instead of being abandoned they would have made money out of them.
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Wonder if http://www.wqchronicles.com/ will be affected? A lot of the stuff on there is completely custom.
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Their treatment of Warhammer Quest is the single stupidest thing Games Workshop has done throughout their history.

They promised expansions for many areas of the world - two were released. Check out how much they go for on Troll & Toad or EvilBay right now..

In their small minds, GW thought it was just a box set and wouldn't sell their minis according to their crack-cocaine business model.

How wrong they were! If I collected one of their armies, I would probably have bought a few hundred dollars worth of their miniatures by now. But NO, I had to get interested in Warhammer Quest! I picked up the game right near the end of its production life, and since then have collected 10,000+ points worth of Undead miniatures (now divvied into Vampire Counts & Tomb Kings), a huge Orc & Goblin army, and huge selection of Skaven, Dark Elf, and Chaos miniatures of every stripe. Plus I have tons of Mordheim miniatures because they make great adventurers.

So yeah, if they kept WHQ on the market I think they would've been able to have their crack and smoke it too. Stupid, and frustrating.

I have contributed to the excellent Warhammer Quest Museum wquest.free.fr and this stuff is not new. The owner of that site loves GW and their lawyers scared him into taking it down for a while even as GW game designers were giving the thumbs up. In the end, it is back up with ONLY custom works. Any actual rules or artwork cannot be allowed online.

Finally, if you want a good laugh, check out the Avatars of War website to see what the lawyers should REALLY be worried about - miniatures from a competitive company that clearly are meant to be used with their IPs. But since you cannot easily copyright the image of a dwarf with a mohawk they are going after their fans. Disgusting.
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The Reason behind WHQ's demise, at least according to Fanatic Games is the fact that the Board sections can't be done in house, so the apparently make a loss. Make of that what you will.
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Its not so much GW takes a loss as the fact GW doesnt want anything done outside of their factories if its their sole project. The screwups with the new Space Hulk tiles may have reinforced that view since those were outsourced to a seperate company according to note.

Might also explain why they dont do board games anymore and why they keep liscensing games off to FFG.
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What were the Screw ups with the Space Hulk tiles?

And yeah I agree about the whole encouraging you to buy more Minis bit. And if You do play WFB as well well once you have all those orcs/goblins/skaven/beastmen/undead griblies for WHQ you may as well buy some Character, war machine and monster minis and field yet another army (yeah like we wargamers need an excuse).

But yeah the bean counters who've taken control of the company don't get that and there is no way to prove that the box of 10 orcs you bought was for WHQ and not WFB...

As for the Lawyers Every now and then GW gets a bunch of rabid ones fresh out of law schools soon enough they will see how pointless it all is and settle down or get distracted suing real crooks ripping off GWs IP.
 
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7. Board Game: Warlock [Average Rating:5.84 Overall Rank:4190]
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This one goes back to 1980. I fail to see how I could be affecting the company with a rules summary for it.
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I can't find this one on your site, what was it?
 
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This game was/is awesome
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It's now on my site (for now, that is).
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UniversalHead wrote:
It's now on my site (for now, that is).


grabbed, thanks!
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We played this one so much back in the day our cards turned into dust in our hands. Many, hours of fun.
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This one goes back to 1980. I fail to see how I could be affecting the company with a rules summary for it.

On the contrary, your rules summary apparently makes Games Workshop uncomfortable because it looks ever so much more professionally rendered and realized than they themselves might otherwise have come up with.

And I do wholeheartedly agree with ya that the sad thing is, if some of these games had been supported by the company instead of being abandoned, half-heartedly supported or merely left to wither on the vine, they would not only have made money out of them but also have nurtured ongoing perennial sales of them as well.

Games Workshop's over-the-top knee-jerk over-reactions remind me of somebody who suddenly upends the board right in the middle of a game, sending game pieces flying all over the place, and then walks off in a huff simply because he himself didn't create the player aids and scenarios for it. angry

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8. Board Game: Space Hulk [Average Rating:7.45 Overall Rank:170]
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Yep, there it goes ... this was for the old 2nd edition, not the new one.
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Ugh. Would there even have been as much hype and interest in buying the 3rd edition if people hadn't been able to spend the last twenty years oooohing and aaaaahing over how cool the game looked and played or poring over myriad fan created pics and files online? That sort of stuff went a long way towards priming 3rd edition's customer base. How does GW expect to keep people interested in or hyped up for future re-releases of invisible games?
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http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/46348

That's $190 NZ less GW will have to roll around in.


Sorry - I agree with Universal Head. This is just ammunition for Games Workshop, and will confirm to them that they have the high moral (and legal) ground ...
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My first post was meant to be a "I'm glad I used the awesome stuff on this site before it went" sort of post.

I guess I'll take my own goal prize, and go sit in the corner.blush
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edited to remove some text after receiving a not so nice email...

just GM me...

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Epic is still alive and well. You can get minis for it...

The Undead thing was a good Idea. Stop whining. If your army was of any decent size you went from 1 army to two in your collection...
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9. Board Game: Battlecars [Average Rating:6.09 Overall Rank:3124]
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There goes all the Battlecars stuff. My rework of this game took a long, long time to do and it's a shame I can't share it with anyone anymore. Or maybe GW is planning a re-release of this 1983 game? Yeah, right.
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CJstratgamer wrote:
Hmmm should we ask Steve Jackson Games to look into this? After all it is "derivative" of Car Wars.

JERKS.
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Go ahead and ask Steve to...he just might do it for spite. He did take on the US Secret Service so GW should be no problem. cool
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Peter, thank so much for all your hard work with these templates etc. Maybe one day we'll see them back on the net.
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Well Specialist games had it for free for a while on their website. Before it got yanked. (now that's something I am mad and puzzled about).

Still got the rules (if anyone wants) and was discussing last night giving it a lash with some moded up matchbox cars...
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Except SJG has its own little nasty rep of attacking fan sites over the years...

SHADUS TAIN wrote:
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Hmmm should we ask Steve Jackson Games to look into this? After all it is "derivative" of Car Wars.

JERKS.
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Go ahead and ask Steve to...he just might do it for spite. He did take on the US Secret Service so GW should be no problem. cool
 
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10. Board Game: Man O' War [Average Rating:7.10 Overall Rank:745]
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All my work for Man O' War is gone. In addition to the summary, I'd redone all the ship cards to a standard size and format - thanks for all your help Scott (manowarplayer), we worked hard on that project didn't we?
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That was a lot of work and apparently all for naught.

What shortsightedness on their part.
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My work is gone, too (fleet sheets). Made game play so much faster.arrrh
Surely these where costing GW thousands of dollars shake
Their legal department is obviously on overdrive, while PR is in holidays or braindead....
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I want to personally thank both Universalhead and ManoWarplayer for all they did for this title. It is because of you two that I own several fleets instead of just some Skaven ships. Yall took a title that was grossly neglected and made it quite enjoyable for myself and my friends.
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Hey don't go hating on the Warhammer Historical guys, its where some of the old guys who founded the company and made all the games you loved have disappeared to. Guys like Nigel Stilman ect have gone.

Also their ethic is pretty good. If anything buying more stuff off them might encourage the rest of GW to be Nicer...
 
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Bagherra wrote:
the question is, do you guys have the stuff archived somewhere?


yeah, same question here...
 
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11. Board Game: Doom of the Eldar [Average Rating:6.45 Overall Rank:2623]
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Another old game no one cares about anymore.
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Beg to differ - play this one quite regularly with my son.
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FFG paid good money for the right to reprint this...
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And havent yet if they did.
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Their Deal with GW included the rights to reprint (and judging by Horus Heresy rejigg) all of GWs old Boardgames. This IS a boardgame, ipso facto they paid for this. Anyone else joining the dots...
 
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Liscense and actions do not allways follow through. In this case. So far... not.
 
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12. Board Game: Horus Heresy [Average Rating:6.35 Overall Rank:3077]
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Detecting a pattern?
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FFG has reprinted this, worked out who your rage should be directed at...
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Actually, they haven't.
Same name, theme, map-layout and scenario.

The actual mechanics are completely different.
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No they changed the mechanics. Same game, just a new edition. Why are you defending FF's part in this. This purge coincides with GW selling the rights to reprint and update their back catalog. Am I the only one who puts 2 and 2 together?
 
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You fail math then.
You fail observation as well. FFGs Horus Heresy came a year or so *after* the purge and is doing just fine for fan material posted.

Lord_Boofhead wrote:
Why are you defending FF's part in this. This purge coincides with GW selling the rights to reprint and update their back catalog. Am I the only one who puts 2 and 2 together?
 
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13. Board Game: Battle for Armageddon [Average Rating:6.51 Overall Rank:2138]
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Here's how ridiculous this is - this game was made available for download for free by GW ages ago. So how am I affecting the company by having a rules summary here?

Because it's a big lawyer's broom sweeping away everything.
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I'm totally onboard with this-is-a-really-stupid-move-by-gw, but I assume in this and some of the other situations mentioned above that they just fired a legal shotgun at the situation and didn't concern themselves with one or the other game. I would go further by saying that most lawyers suck, but that would be mean.
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True...but mean.
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14. Board Game: Mordheim: City of the Damned [Average Rating:7.12 Overall Rank:517]
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I wonder how the 'old guard' who set up GW in the 80s - when I was buying many of these games - feel about this treatment of the fans.
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I'm sure your files were killing a lot more sales than the fact that the rulebook is available for free on the GW homepage.
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Thats part of the problem really.
GW is obsessed with monopolizing all the marketing. They want their customers on the GW doorstep and nowhere else.
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Right, they don't even want 2nd hand internet sellers showing images of their minis in the gallery and there are no GW shopping carts on sites such as MiniaturesMarket!
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Least till they can figure a good reasin to shut em down...
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15. Board Game: Advanced Space Crusade [Average Rating:6.29 Overall Rank:2968]
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Yet another long-defunct game - I spent many hours doing new reference cards for all the units for this one.
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Dammit. I spent ages trying to get up and running with this (I even got the rules book and a copy of Tyranid Attack on eBay) and nobody else seems to have any resources for it. As for offical GW support it just died without a trace after all of to articles in White Dwarf.

Why can't they:
a) Support their games
b) Stop interfering with people who are trying to support their games when they drop the ball.

Edit:
I just checked and my contents list is still up so at least that is something.
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Games like this one make no sense in this purge. must be the scattershot effect mentioned above.

At least with Horus Heresy, Doom of the Eldar, Battle for Armageddon, Chaos Marauders and Chainsaw warrior you can trace it back to their deal FFG but as it doesn't include Any game with minis like this, spacehulk, WHQ and Blood Bowl why are they included. In fact having the rules and board for this circulating would help sell more 'Nids and Marines...
 
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16. Board Game: Talisman [Average Rating:6.50 Overall Rank:990]
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They had BGG yank a card list that I did awhile back... a card list? WTF? just a crude text list of the cards!? I didn't know it was so super secret!

Now my family is fearful, and we're sleeping in the basement, worried that the Games Workshops thugs are going to do a drive-by.

Oh wait. Lawyers don't do that kinda thing. Their form of intimidation is far scarier...
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I had been kinda considering Prophecy as a game to acquire, but then I played it a few months ago and decided it wasn't enough different than Talisman to bother getting into, considering I have a lot of the original Talisman expansions.

But now, NOW, I'm going to get Prophecy one of these days, and never look back...

Maybe Vlaada Chvátil (designer of Prophecy) should write a bit long gushy thank you letter to GW! LOL
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I have to imagine they'll need to appoint a special-forces team to fully track down all the fan-generated material for this alone.

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You know, I think I just saw your card list back up. Not sure which file it is, but there were at least 2 card lists with your name on them.
 
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Celinashope wrote:
You know, I think I just saw your card list back up. Not sure which file it is, but there were at least 2 card lists with your name on them.

Just checked, and I think the two files you still see (so far anyways) are older things I put together, that were then included in a "master list" of all the cards...
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I could be wrong on this one, but weren't there pictures (maybe even files) for a nice fan made copy of this game? I kind of remember it because it was actually one that I thought was really well done and saw it in recent weeks. I might be confusing it with some other game though... either way, I don't have a way to check it... it'll be interesting to see if GW requests the removal of the 5 year old's fan made cards too
 
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17. Board Game: Kings & Things [Average Rating:6.67 Overall Rank:831]
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The Games Workshop lawyer/thugs had BGG pull a "turn sequence quicky". I'm sure the GW Storm Troopers will be by to confiscate my computer in the dead of night so they can purge the original text file as well...
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What's interesting about that is that I don't think Games Workshop owns the rights to this game. It appears Wham does, because there's supposed to be a new edition published by Z-Man Games, I believe.
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Tom Wham Mumblings!

I ended up here in a quest for information about both the West End and the subsequent German edition of the game. I was sad to see all the player aids gone!

In 1983, I signed a contract with West End Games and all rights have long since reverted to me.

Yes send me stuff to post about MY game.

Meanwhile I quite agree that a game company is a fool to suppress fan support. Absolutely every time I play a new game, I go to the Geek (before playing if possible) for player aids, FAQs, rule corrections, and anything else of interest. The Geek is a board gamer's essential tool.

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Tom Wham Mumblings!

I ended up here in a quest for information about both the West End and the subsequent German edition of the game. I was sad to see all the player aids gone!

In 1983, I signed a contract with West End Games and all rights have long since reverted to me.

Yes send me stuff to post about MY game.

Meanwhile I quite agree that a game company is a fool to suppress fan support. Absolutely every time I play a new game, I go to the Geek (before playing if possible) for player aids, FAQs, rule corrections, and anything else of interest. The Geek is a board gamer's essential tool.



Thanks for the info, Tom!

This really illustrates the problem with GW's actions. Here they forced the removal of material based on non-existent rights to the underlying material. Indeed, there's every reason to believe that material that you. yourself, posted about the game could have been removed, as I don't see any indication that anyone involved ever checked to see who actually owned the rights!
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I had this game back in the day, but I have no idea where it is now, possibly the attic. I remember it being great fun, but quite complex for the level of gamer I was then. It was the first game I played with Catan-style hexes I think. Now I've seen this I'll have to have a good search for it. Ahhh nostalgia, there's noting like it !!
 
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18. Board Game: DungeonQuest [Average Rating:6.71 Overall Rank:677]
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I lost the new combat cards I made for DungeonQuest. I did several player aids so expect the others to disappear soon.



The reason I made them was my copy's cards were in bad shape. So thought others would enjoy having new cards too to replace worn copies.

Yes GW, you have saved the world as we know it. I'm sure those combat cards were going to kill a puppy or club a seal. yuk

This is the only GW game I currently own and have no interest in supporting them from now on. I do own the FFG edition of Talisman which now feels abit dirty...
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Thanks Games Workshop for having my files pulled
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This one sits comfortably on my shelf. Not a game I play, but a game I'm very happy to own. Hmm. Sounds like a Geeklist to me.
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And so that copy of Talisman should feel dirty, as the cash FFG made from that is what prompted them to snap up the rest of GWs back catalog, something which myself and a few other suspect led to this purge...
 
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19. Board Game: The Fury of Dracula [Average Rating:7.04 Overall Rank:633]
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Sad to say my files for this are lost as well. Try the new FFG version. Player aids still exist for it. This game is tough to play without them.
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I want to see FFG (with their known policy to offer the rules for all of their games online to download and a fabulously good customer service) rise while GAMES WORKSHOP is going down, down, down...
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FFG is its own breed of problematic at times. They have pulled a few major screw-ups in the last year or two and really dont need GWs help for that. They did just fine on their own. But they certainly aren't part of the file purge nore GWs ongoing war on fan sites. That is a part of GWs treatment of fans that goes back at least a decade possibly a decade and a half.
 
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You 'know for a fact'? Care to back that up? Not having a go but if I had a dollar for everyone online who 'Knew for a fact' I'd be a rich man.

And no I'm not disagreeing that GW's legal teams can be extra retarded at times. I've been a Warhammer and 40K player since 1994. I'm just annoyed that everyone seems to be giving FFG a free pass.

I suspect that what really happened was something in the middle. Maybe FFG pointed out that a lot of the stuff that GW was selling them the rights to was available online for free and that someone, i.e. the rights holders i.e. GW should do something about that if FFG was going to pny up good money. And of course GW's legal team responded in their usual over the top insane way.

If you have any inside information please clarify.


As for Dark Heresy, the work on that has been good although they are mostly just using the same freelancers that Black Industries were using via Green Ronnin.

But I'd have rather WFRP stayed in 'Limbo' than be violated into this dirty abomination crossbred with a boardgame and an MMORPG...
 
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Sorry, I can't reveal my source for several reasons; you'll have to take my word for it (or don't, I care not). It is possible FFG mentioned it first, granted. However the fact remains that FFG don't police copyright for their non-GW games when it comes to summaries etc.

As for the new WFRP, I happen to like it, and I've been playing since the original book came out. It seems a shame that you'd rather have no WFRP at all for new players than have a game that doesn't fit with your personal opinion of what WFRP should be. In any case, it's a RPG; use 1st, 2nd or 3rd edition, whatever you prefer - there's plenty of source material available.
 
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The fact is FFG had nothing to gain from it and they have all of zero say in GWs policies and would further damage their rep at the time if they had. GW makes the rules of this, not the other way around.

If you'd bothered to check you'd see the sweep was across the board and hit games from other companies that GW had no business "policing" for them. but more importantly the sweep was done by the BGG, not GW. GW asked for a handfull of items pertaining to their games be removed. Then they requested all infringing files be removed from anything of theirs and left the BGG virtually no time at all to do other than a massive sweep of everything.

FFG had zero to do with this. If the two initial files I know of that were part of the start of this mess, both were purely GW properties and from comments I can deduce the other two were too.

If you want to grind an axe against FFG. By all means please do. They more than deserve it. But This purge was not one of FFGs antics.
 
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20. Board Game: Valley Of The Four Winds [Average Rating:5.69 Overall Rank:5500]
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Did a harmless, 1-page written text only rules summary for this little fantasy game that only a handful of people know of - purged.
Games Workshop - I curse thee!
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Actually in this case it was GW trying to cover any evidence that they stole the poster off of Ultimate Warrior for the cover... aheh...
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Who would have thought back in the 80's that the wonderful GW would turn into one of it's own monsters?
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If you looked at other game companies of the time. It seemed inevitible.
TSR was starting its fall. White Wolf was rotting from within, Palladium wouldnt hit full swing crazy till the 90s. WOTC didnt hit the scene till the mid 90s but it took them a mere 5 or so years to go off the deep end too, then recover, then do it again.

Others mercifully folded before they could go insane. (Dont have any info on FASA and its attitude back then to fans.)
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21. Board Game: Lost Patrol [Average Rating:6.56 Overall Rank:2386]
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Did a German rule summary for this interesting asymmetrical game. Pulled. Oh, well. Let's hope that they (or Fantasy Flight Games?) re-issue the game soon.
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We've also lost the alternate tiles set ( which incidentally, did not impinge on thier IP at all ).
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edited to remove some text after receiving a not so nice email...

just GM me...

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Aw!

I just found this game the other day, saw the cool files and thought I'd get them later. (._.)

Bad timing. I think it's ok for them to protect their copyrights and such, but files were pulled that didn't and that is just wrong. If people want to take the time to make a lost-in-the-toilet version of their game, then what's the harm?

Didn't realize this whole purge was in the works. Hoping that it leads to some releases at least. I know that I've been waiting for Necromunda terrain forever. Lost Patrol looks great and I'd like to see it in the (registered/copywrited) flesh.

EDIT: Killed the auto-smilie maker that messed with my Japanese-groove facey
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There's always Patrol: Lost!
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(O.O)

Oooooo, nice.

So maybe we'll see Hulk Space, Adnumorcen, and other fine titles appearing here on the Geek? (^_^)v

Thank you for the link.
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22. Board Game: War of the Ring [Average Rating:6.75 Overall Rank:3298]
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Play summary, FAQ, House Rules, & suggested unit changes ... months of play & collaboration with other hobbyist.

Obviously GW discovered my files insidiously stole millions from their coffers ninja

CURSE THEM!!!

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23. Board Game: Warhammer 40,000 (fourth edition) [Average Rating:6.49 Overall Rank:1238]
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I made an Excel Army List program for the Tau army. And I made it way sooner than I uploaded it here.

It was thrashed today surprise

I understand the reasoning here, as the program uses the Values and Names from the Tau Codex (though they stay hidden from view of the general populace).

But anyway, this is crap...
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Oh no worries you can find a MUCH better game here AT-43. These guys seem to be really nice to work with and support a free army creator. Also the game is about 100 times better to play. And if you sell those crappy 40K minis before the market is flooded you can get some AT-43 armies real cheap in FFG's Holiday Sale.

http://store.fantasyflightgames.com/client/client_pages/sale...

Do yourself a favor and dump GWs mini selling machine.
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Too bad they are sold in the US only.
 
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AT-43 is sold in Europe too, but maybe not through FFG, look at Rackham's stor or other online sites who sell Rackham minis.
 
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Rackham is located in France. They are mainly a European company. FFG was selling them to North America and as you can see by the prices that they had they were dumping their stock because Rackham Entertainment is now the distributor of all Rackham games. They dumped the Metal Minis to some French Company now and are just doing AT-43 and Confrontation. AT-43 is very easy to learn and play. Confrontation adds some different types of game play but is still very close.

http://www.rackham-store.com/boutique/index.cfm is the online store for Rackham Prices are in Euros (which makes ordering from them VERY expensive in the US so we need to seek other online resellers like the FFG sale)

Biggest problem with Rackham is the very slow releases and updates. If you go to the AT-43 home page you will see the last update was November 7th. There has been a new army released since then and there is nothing on the site for it. They are still trying to get things worked out internally.

Still the game is 100x better then 40K and the minis come pre-painted (for those of us that want nice looking minis and don't have the time or the talent to paint a whole army) The way they are sold is exceptional. You buy a unit box and you get a whole unit that is ready to play. You by an attachment box and you get the special minis for the unit box. No guess work. Also most of the large minis come with terrain pieces. They are releasing 2000 point army boxes for around 70 dollars (US) and are available online for around 55 dollars (US). They also come with a tape measure, templates and dice and terrain. Plus all the minis and cards and accessories you would need.

There is a ABSOLUTELY Stunning FREE army creator program that not only updates daily (if you want) the army lists but also has the missions and a mission creator program built in and access to user created missions via download from the web and prints in standardized formats. Oh and the army creator is isn't going to be C&D'd anytime soon because Rackham isn't a group of a$$holes that don't care about the player base and only see dollar signs.
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I wonder the reasoning here ...
Tau Codex can be downloaded free as pdf from GW Japanese homepage,
Japanese version of course, but the values are there anyway
 
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24. Board Game: Chainsaw Warrior [Average Rating:5.64 Overall Rank:5429]
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An ammo track I made ( not using their IP ) was pulled.
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I had two Chainsaw Warrior player aid files pulled ...
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Ooh, I wonder about the online site where you could play this. Back in a sec, I hear black helicopters outside...
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Coincidentally, Games Workshop took over and closed down the online game site some time ago. It was free, of course, but they didn't introduce charges, or replace it with anything - just closed it down ...
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25. Board Game: The Battle of Five Armies [Average Rating:6.99 Overall Rank:2801]
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The errata got pulled.
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I'm guessing the words "any and all related material" were used in the letter...
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I'm guessing the words "any and all related material" were used in the letter...


I still don't understand how BGG is allowed to maintain entries for GW games. "Any and all related material" should be deleted.
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sos1 wrote:
Ouch - I just picked this game up; haven't even broken the shrink wrap yet. Is there any kind soul who can send me the errata? I promise I won't report you to GW ... or anyone else, for that matter. Geekmail me for an email address. Thanks!


I checked the 'official GW' site for an Errata for it. Nope, not there. So, I e-mailed their customer service. That was last Thursday. No response yet, but it has been a holiday weekend.
 
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sos1 wrote:
Ouch - I just picked this game up; haven't even broken the shrink wrap yet. Is there any kind soul who can send me the errata? I promise I won't report you to GW ... or anyone else, for that matter. Geekmail me for an email address. Thanks!


I checked the 'official GW' site for an Errata for it. Nope, not there. So, I e-mailed their customer service. That was last Thursday. No response yet, but it has been a holiday weekend.

I did exactly the same, Mike, with exactly the same results ...
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I'm guessing the words "any and all related material" were used in the letter...


I still don't understand how BGG is allowed to maintain entries for GW games. "Any and all related material" should be deleted.


A very late answer but since I didn't see it answerd I thought I'd do so.

The entrys of the games here at BGG fall under an exeption to copyright called Fair Use. This is reserved for, among other things, review, comments & critisism. As long as BGG stay within this GW has no right to demand them removed.

Some of the work that is adressed may actually be original work and therefore not subject to copyright, rather the author of the new work actually ownes the copyright. GW might claim that it is derivative work but there need to be a substantial amount of the original in the new work for it to be derivative.

However, most fanbased work use the logos and graphics of the games they are made for and this is a trademark and might be a copyright issue.
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WTF? Seriously, they're doing this? What is their friggin' problem? Do they really dislike their customers this much?

Sorry to see your fine work go away.
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When I was a little boymeeple I loved everything GW put out. When I think back I loved it because it was, pretty much, the only tabletop gaming you could get your hands on in Denmark at that time. There was alot of other stuff but being a easily impressed junior, GW was better at pushing they stuff to kids by big displays, aggressive marketing and White Dwarf.

I yuk when thinking about how much money my parents gave me to spend on those products.

Im grateful of getting into 40k and Necromunda, but experiencing the way they fack with their loyal following mixed with backing of cut-throat capitalists shareholders who hold no regard of gamers, is simply heartbreaking!

Now[geekurl= http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/239/view/news/read/1...]GW is suing WAR MMO fan site[/geekurl]

Im officially never buying stuff from GW again or supporting them in any way!
 
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Simply look at their website nowadays (although I must admit it has been years since I was on myself). They removed all of their fluff and articles that were worth reading and simply left the buying part of the website. This infuriated me because it seemed so capitalistic. I would guess that this change happened around the same time as this list started, so I wonder if they were related.

I absolutely cannot stand GW anymore and the hundreds (possibly thousands) of dollars of merchandise that sits in my hobby room actually makes me angry to look at it. (OK, not hulk angry - more a disappointed concern over my poor purchases.)

Fortunately, age and experience have taught me to avoid GW and the same mistake will not be made again.
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Simply look at their website nowadays (although I must admit it has been years since I was on myself). They removed all of their fluff and articles that were worth reading and simply left the buying part of the website. This infuriated me because it seemed so capitalistic. I would guess that this change happened around the same time as this list started, so I wonder if they were related.

I absolutely cannot stand GW anymore and the hundreds (possibly thousands) of dollars of merchandise that sits in my hobby room actually makes me angry to look at it. (OK, not hulk angry - more a disappointed concern over my poor purchases.)

Fortunately, age and experience have taught me to avoid GW and the same mistake will not be made again.


Actually, the articles are still there. their location is less than obvious, but they are still there.
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