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Games Not To Play With Creationists
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This is a collection of games that people who are creationists or who believe in a literal interpretation of the bible would not find enjoyable.

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1. Board Game: Primordial Soup [Average Rating:7.08 Overall Rank:270]
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At the beginning: a primordial goo full of proto-organisms.
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Brian Bleakley
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My sister is a creationist (who literaly interprets the Bible) and she does find this game quite enjoyable.
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I really want to try this one!
 
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At the beginning: a primordial goo full of proto-organisms
. Which then became the new ratings system at BGG??!
 
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2. Board Game: Evo [Average Rating:6.98 Overall Rank:326]
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You manipulate the dino's genes in this game to form dominant species.
 
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You manipulate the dino's genes in this game to form dominant species.
Which then becomes all those Geeks who love "Ticket to Ride," "Memoir '44" and so forth. [Hey, I'm having fun with this.] pp
 
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I am a Christian and I don't have any problem playing "fiction" games. I admit that evolution is fascinating "fiction."

I too would have to disgree with your friend on dinosaurs in the Bible. It speaks of large beasts who have legs like tree trunks. But this is not the place for discussing such things.

The boardgames!
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Opposite. Creationists like the Flintstones.

The Flintstones is soooo inaccurate geologically. Dinosaurs and humans? Living at the same time? They were 60 odd million years apart! Where's the believability? I feel betrayed!


What bugs me is the Flintstones celebrated Christmas! How can that be? (Unless cavemen and dinosaurs existed 2000 years ago...)
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berserkley wrote:
Jon_1066 wrote:
Opposite. Creationists like the Flintstones.

The Flintstones is soooo inaccurate geologically. Dinosaurs and humans? Living at the same time? They were 60 odd million years apart! Where's the believability? I feel betrayed!


What bugs me is the Flintstones celebrated Christmas! How can that be? (Unless cavemen and dinosaurs existed 2000 years ago...)


"Christmas" is a holiday that way predates Christ. The name has just been changed (probably many times).
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Jon_1066 wrote:
Opposite. Creationists like the Flintstones.

The Flintstones is soooo inaccurate geologically. Dinosaurs and humans? Living at the same time? They were 60 odd million years apart! Where's the believability? I feel betrayed!


Creationists think the Flintstones is a documentary.
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3. Board Game: Evolution [Average Rating:6.17 Unranked]
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Evolution of man is the theme of this game.
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Which means that these same Geeks eventually outgrow "Ticket to Ride," "Memoir '44" and so on and so forth. pppp
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4. Board Game: Big Bang [Average Rating:7.00 Unranked]
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The universe wasn't created in a week.
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A week? And I thought Talisman took a long time to play...
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  • Posted Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:46 pm
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Da Black Gobo wrote:
The word DAY used in the Hebrew scriptures in Genisis, means a period of time, NOT a 24 hour day.

The decribtion of Genisis, is in complete agreement with the science.cool


Actually, trying to "prove" Genesis by referring to the Hebrew doesn't help clarify either point. The Hebrew "yom" has the same multiple uses as the English "day". It can mean "age", "time", "eon" or "24 hour period".

"In my day we had to wander forty years in the wilderness just to get to school every day".
 
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kbtyger wrote:

Folks might want to read the recent court decision in Dover, Pa.

Creationist/'Intelligent-Design' proponents lost in the lab (need evidence)...now they lost in court (need evidence again)...so now that leaves politics.


Man, if the courts and politicians can't dictate science that just leaves philosophy and popular consensus (oh, and ridiculing those who disagree).
 
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As an "Ultra-Creationist" how can you believe humans lived with dinosaurs? There is absolutely no evidence at all for this, and no a theory does not count as evidence.


The La Brea Tar Pits and countless cave paintings say otherwise. You can come up with test after test after test, but if there were people that actually SAW dinosaurs as depicted in paintings, then the tests are flawed. Simple as that.


Saber-tooth cats and other extinct species found at La Brea are not dinosaurs. And dinosaurs were not depicted in cave paintings, either. There were no dinosaurs in the Pleistocene.
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"creationists" (what an icky word)


Yeah, I guess the deceptive pseudo-scientific 'intelligent design' term best hides the ancient mythology its all based on.



I prefer "cdesign proponentsists" myself.
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5. Board Game: Fossil [Average Rating:5.43 Overall Rank:6597]
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The fossil record, of course, shows that earth (and life on it) has been around a lot longer than the bible says.
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Not a problem per se, a fossil is a physical object that must be recognized. Therefore the typical creationist jib jab is that the fossil record was set in the literal world wide flood, burying anything Noah couldn't cram in his dingy, denying the age of said objects by denying the science of radiometric dating.

Since all of the fossils in the game depect mundane once-living things, all of which are much, much less old than the billions of years old that we creation science heathens choose to worship as our own religion believe, playing Fossil with your creationist pals would be more them just patronizing our kooky mythology.

God bless the Kansas board of education, by the way.
 
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Some people clearly have no idea what the process of scientific enquiry actually is - namely creating a hypothesis based upon evidence and then testing that hypothensis. Yup - that means making testing assumptions!

It is also ultimately self correcting as the mass of evidence develops with further enquiry. Science is open to radical theories taking over the mainstream - for example Continental Drift - as the accumulation of evidence becomes overwhelming.

In contrast World views depending on faith are essentially static.
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Yeah, some people clearly have no idea how the scientific process works. At least we agree on that point. Simply portraying a strawman argument for how science works, and then attacking it, isn't very constructive or honest.

The elements of the scientific method are, at a minimum, this:

1. Investigation and data collection. Data are the worlds facts, whether a theory ties those facts together or not. Facts don't go away when a hypothesis changes to better interpret them.

2. Hypothesis. A hypothetical explanation of the known data (facts).

3. Prediction. If the hypothesis is correct, it must be able to make a number of predictions. In the case of biological evolution, one prediction would be that platypuses evolved sometime between 220 million and 100 million years ago. Why must that be true? Because platypuses exhibit mammalian and reptilian traits and science KNOWS that mammals split off from reptiles over 100 million years ago.

4. Experimentation and falsification. Certain controlled experiments can be performed with predictable results based upon the hypothesis being tested. A theory/hypothesis must also be falsifiable. In other words, certain hypothetical data (facts) must be able to invalidate that theory/hypothesis. i.e.: if human fossils 100 million years old were uncovered, then the Theory of Evolution would have to change or be dismantled in favor of a theory that incorporates these new facts into its framework.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method for more information on the scientific method.

See http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-evolution.html for more on biological evolution.
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And a very nice method it is too. Any board games that use it?
 
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Games like Eleusis, Zendo, and Patterns II all use the scientific method.
 
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6. Board Game: Natural Selection [Average Rating:5.06 Unranked]
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Natural selection is also one of the mechanics that drives the process of evolution.
 
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Ken & Deb Wessel
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No... That's micro-evolution (variation within species)
Macro-evolution (goo to you) has no fossil evidence whatsoever!
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Schools teach evolution (actually Darwinism) which states that all life evolved from a common ancestor. Natural Selection (often called "survival of the fittest") is the main mechanism of that process. The weak die off while the strong survive to reproduce.

In these same schools the game of tag has been banned on the playgrounds because the smaller (ie. weaker) kids might get hurt.

How can they teach "survival of the fittest" and coddle the weak. Stop being nice to people, stop helping those less fortunate! It's all counter-evolutionary! We will start to devolve into quivering weak blobs of tear-stained, underwear soiled geeks who can't handle anything more physical than a boardgame and then we'll go extinct.

Aren't we being taught Darwinism for a purpose? Maybe it's time we put it into practice! Oh wait. It's been done.
 
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HamsterOfFury wrote:
Bombadeer Beetle?
An eye would take millions of years to evolve right but it wouldn't work unless everything is right. So why would a creature start evolving something that has no use? And then it continue to grow even through a pointless bump would be useless and weaken the species. Survival of the weakest right?


Luke you should read this article as well:
http://tinyurl.com/925zs

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But even if his facts were beyond reproach, we would still have difficulty taking him seriously because he brings up the bombardier beetle to help prove that fire-breathing dragons may have actually existed. In the very book in which he describes the bombardier beetle (Dinosaurs: Those Terrible Lizards), he argues that old legends, Job 41:18-21, and the bombardier beetle all suggest that the unique crests on the heads of some duck-billed dinosaurs were the chemical storage tanks for their flame-throwing mechanisms. These dinosaurs were thus the fire-breathing dragons of myth and legend!
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HamsterOfFury wrote:
Bombadeer Beetle?
An eye would take millions of years to evolve right but it wouldn't work unless everything is right. So why would a creature start evolving something that has no use? And then it continue to grow even through a pointless bump would be useless and weaken the species. Survival of the weakest right?


That is an old misunderstanding.

A computer program ran through the different stages from a light sensitive are of skin (as found in primitive worms) to the mammalian eye, and each "step of the way" proved to have advantages over the earlier iteration.

A "half" eye is thus better than no eye.

Similar iterations where done for wings, another part of animals where a "halfstep" didn't seem to obviously useful.
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The coccyx is a dead giveaway, no?


Maybe we're growing a tail?
 
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7. Board Game: Trias [Average Rating:6.58 Overall Rank:806]
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As the very back of the box states, this is a game that takes place 200 million years ago, well outside the literal scope of the Bible.
 
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And a cool game to boot!
 
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I played this game once and it ruined my faith. Now I am a miserable, wretched, cigar-smoking, turpentine-drinking, wife-beating, child-molesting, demon-possessed, cannibal crack-addict.

Oh, wait. That's wrong.

It was the Ungame.
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8. Board Game: WildLife [Average Rating:6.74 Overall Rank:708]
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Also an evolutionary theme
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This game is about natural selection, not evolution. Players vie to dominate different types of terrain as their randomly chosen species.
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Natural selection is simply one of the many mechanisms of biological evolution.
 
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Please, let us know what you think the others are.
 
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Does it really matter? Scientists in the field are the ones doing the work collecting data, interpreting it and developing hypotheses to explain it... not you or me. Questioning me doesn't weaken theories on biological evolution, nor does it strengthen the argument for creationism/intelligent design.

However, without further ado, I'll list a few of the known mechanisms of biological evolution. Just to humor you.

Gene flow, genetic drift, punctuated equilibrium, and mutation are some of the known mechanisms. And, as any biologist worth his salt will tell you, there are undoubtedly mechanisms not yet understood by the scientific community as a whole.

You can learn more about evolution, and its mechanisms, from here: www.talkorigins.org.
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This creationist likes it.
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9. Board Game: Dante's Inferno [Average Rating:4.81 Overall Rank:7607]
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I've already made one Christian fundamentalist uncomfortable by having this title in my "Available for playing" stack at a get-together. Not strictly about evolution, but might have the same effect as Evo.
 
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Dante was a Catholic. The Inferno was social commentary. People are stupid.
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Yup.
 
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The Divine Comedy of Dante describes the Journey of Dante through Inferno, Purgatory and Paradise to see Beatrice, his long lost love.
Dante describes in detail the structure of Christian afterlife (or, better, HIS view of it). There is no promulgation of Inferno, nor Paradise, except if you remark he is happy to go take walk in the paradise.
The most interesting book of the trilogy is "Inferno", though. "Paradise" is really, really, boring. Maybe the fact that a book about Paradise can be boring made this person uneasy

greuh.
 
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How does this offend Creationists? Do the souls in Hell evolve into higher beings?

Remember, technically Creationists could be non-Christian- although I suppose that actually makes it easier for them to be offended by 'Christian-themed' board games...
 
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10. Board Game: The HellGame [Average Rating:6.71 Overall Rank:1743]
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And if Dante's Inferno makes them uncomfortable, imagine what this title would do to some of them. Make their heads spin around 360 degrees?
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One of the best multi-player, back-stabbing power politics games available. A different dose of the People's Opiate, but quite fun.
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Yep -- took the trouble to buy this highly underproduced, overpriced masterpiece from the Netherlands, and I dont regret it -- its challenging, diplomatic, and a lot of fun. The artwork on the cards is great, and Ive gotta get this board mounted.

Based loosely on Dante, but in this game you are really trying to succeed as a team of demons. This one would go over like a fart in an elevator with your local bible-brains.
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11. Board Game: Tongiaki [Average Rating:6.27 Overall Rank:1225]
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Perhaps not as obvious as the other games, Tongiaki I think is a better model for the theory of evolution than any of the other games (based on what little I know about them). If I were a creationist, I'd love to play these games because they present a flawed model of evolution. I would point out that an omnipotent being controls the various mutations that allow the creatures to survive. Without the player making decissions, the game would devolve into chaos.

Tongiaki on the other hand, presents quite a few concepts helpful in undertanding the evolutinary theory (borrowed from Zimmer's aforementioned excellent book):

founder effect: The loss of genetic variation when a new colony is formed by a very small number of individuals from a larger population.

biodiversity: species diversity is a measure of the number of species and the number of individuals of each species present.

genetic drift: Changes in the frequencies of alleles (genes) in a population that occur by chance, rather than because of natural selection.

Playing Tongiaki in a classroom could lead to discussions about allopatric speciation, overpopulation, and "bottlenecks". An interesting excersize would be to introduce mutations into the game.

Anyways, being married to a biology major finally paid off. I'm sure she'd say I'm totally wrong.
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12. Board Game: Demons [Average Rating:5.34 Overall Rank:6548]
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Given that creationism stems from religious beliefs, I suspect that a game about summoning demons and using them to steal treasure for you might be fairly reprehensible to those who believe in the divine creation of mankind.
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Why?

I mean, wargames can be played by people who don't like the aspect of killing. Demons do not go against the Creationist theories at all.

Just because you're a Creationist, it doesn't mean you don't like to play the bad guy.
 
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Besides, once you believe in one fantastic supernatural omnipotent being, what's one or two more?

It is logically impossible for there to be more than one omnipotent being....

Pascal's Wager is simply about the choice of whether or not to believe in the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God, not about a specific religion. That would be step #2.

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That's a fundamental problem with Pascal's wager. See, many religions say that worshipping any other god is an utterly abhorrent sin.

I think the only major religions which say this are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; all of which worship the same God.



 
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Plenty of christian, islamic and jewish fundamentalists would disagree with you. I seem to recall seeing an educational comic script that claimed that islam is really worshipping Baal
 
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hibikir wrote:
Plenty of christian, islamic and jewish fundamentalists would disagree with you. I seem to recall seeing an educational comic script that claimed that islam is really worshipping Baal


In that strip, did anyone laugh like this: "HAW HAW HAW!"
 
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Just because you're a Creationist, it doesn't mean you don't like to play the bad guy.
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Indeed... one does not necessarily hate playing one's own role in real life. whistle
 
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13. Board Game: Quirks [Average Rating:6.11 Overall Rank:2734]
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Here's another based on suvival of the fittest.
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Yeah, but maybe cause it's so silly (but fun) it gives evolution a bad name.


What your cow-like creature just grew fins?
 
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Evidence doesn't suggest that whales came from cow-like creatures, but there's certainly evidence to suggest they came from land-dwellers:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_05.html

Either that, or it's yet another example that god is a really, really, misleading and capricious trickster.
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In any case, the actual direction of evolution makes no difference in the game of Quirks, where the pictures simply represent characteristics (for example, a cow might represent a leathery hide). The goal of a game is to build a creature that is strong (due to its characteristics) in various niches, and if it is weak, to mutate it into something stronger.

It's actually quite a good game (don't believe me? Come to the next Southern California Games Day and we'll play it), but it suffers from a learning problem (you can memorize what the good cards are).
 
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What did a duck-billed platypus evolve from then?
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Concerning the platypus: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html

Interestingly, biological scientists knew that the platypus' ancestry must be ancient since it appeared to be a mix of a reptile and mammal. Scientists also knew that mammals evolved from reptiles. So, putting those two facts together, they knew they should be able to find some ancient platypus=like fossils. Sure enough, guess what they found? You just have to know where to look.
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14. Board Game: Tyranno Ex [Average Rating:6.54 Overall Rank:1583]
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A few comments.
1) I will go along with your theme and add this game about evolution.
2) It is pretty narrow minded to make a list that is about someones beliefs where they can't defend themselves.
3) Why would someone of these beliefs not enjoy these games?
4) Games are just that, games. They are intended for fun and do not interfere with religious views.
5) Most importantly. This is a games forum not a religious forum. If you find someones beliefs offensive, discuss it with them or find a religion bashing site to vent on.

Please keep the site about games.
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I think the list's title should have warned off the creationist and let us evolutionists have some fun. We poor freethinking rationalists are always getting bashed.
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In conclusion:

"Isn't it sad to go to your grave without ever wondering why you were born? Who, with such a thought, would not spring from bed, eager to resume discovering the world and rejoicing to be part of it?"
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Darryl Shpak
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Shawn,

3) and 4): Many people with strong religious views are extremely uncomfortable participating in an activity that's based on an opposing viewpoint. I know several people who would refuse to have a game like Evo in their house.

Drew,

As a fairly fundamentalist Christian and creationist, I know that -I'm- enjoying the list I also see how some people would be...perturbed...by it, but they'd probably also agree that they wouldn't play these games.

Rob,

Creationists have fun too, y'know

Jason,

That last quote from Dawkins, which I assume is intended to say "You should think about the world around you", strikes me as rather ironic in that it's also something a strongly religious person might say, since many religions discuss the reasons that we were born.

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I chose the Dawkins quotes at random. I also must reiterate that I am not an atheist.
 
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In conclusion:
"Isn't it sad to go to your grave without ever wondering why you were born?


I know exactly why I was born. My parents had sex without a contraceptive and decided having a baby was a good idea for them, so no abortion. That's when they used medicine to help make sure I was a healthy baby.
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15. Board Game: Credo [Average Rating:5.71 Overall Rank:5111]
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Chances are this would be a bad idea. I've never played it, but the fact that it tells the truth about what occured at the Council of Nicea (I think it was that one... they all kinda get jarbled to me) moreso than other sources technically even makes it educational! Anyway, this would not be a lot of fun to play with a creationist because they have a tendency to believe biblical things. Then again, maybe they just like creation? Maybe they will like "creating" the dogma for the church? Haha, I have a funny feeling that I'm going to get flamed for writing this... so good thing it is in a controversial, but refreshingly not-the-same-old-thing list (Those are not too bad, honestly. Some are great!).
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Then again isn't it possible that they got the Nicean creed 100% right in spite of the struggles to hash it out?
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Only if you grant L. Ron Hubbard a chance of having gotten it 100%.
 
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Would you believe a Very Senior Wiccan Priestess disapproved of this game when I told her about it... because it was christian, supposedly.

I think it was really because I was the first other person she'd met who'd heard of the Council of Nicea, though. Feeling threatened, were we? devil
 
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Of course the ironic thing is that Constantine was a worshiper of the Unconquered Sun. He just thought that the cross was a great power symbol that helped him win battles.

When he ran the council, many of the bishops (most of them were no shows) debated for too long and Constantine cut it short for brevity's sake. He had an empire to run. So not knowing or caring he made some quick and rash decisions. I love that the entire doctrine is based on the bureaucratic choices of a rushed politician.

(Yes, I know that Constantine did finally convert on his deathbed).
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We played this for a church history class at the fairly conservative Christian liberal arts university I attended. It was a good time--seriously.
 
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I wanna play this and would base myself as a "Conservative Christian" with regards to my fundamental beliefs. Hey I'm up for a laugh and joking about the church. I've been in a few since I was four anways. Plenty of church injokes.
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16. Board Game: Burn in Hell [Average Rating:4.50 Overall Rank:7664]
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Of course, this one is neccesary for all of you who have chosen the wrong god to follow. Roll them dice, boys and girls (hint: i think the odds are still in the Hindu's favor).
 
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Darryl Shpak
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Bah, you can't go by numbers -- if the most-followed religion is probably the right one, then Monopoly is probably the best game!

(Look, I'm on topic!)
 
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But like any good strategist, you still have to consider the odds. You don't build your starting settlement on a 2 and a 12 and expect a happy outcome. (staying on topic)
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Maybe there is a tie-in here between this list and the Game Title Epitaphs list...

I think it was Voltare who was being offered the last rites on his death bed and was asked the standard, "Do you reject Satan and all His works?" replied, "This is not the time to be making new enemies."

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17. Board Game: American Megafauna [Average Rating:7.05 Overall Rank:1190]
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...and I think the best one.
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This is the game I wanted to add but was too lazy
 
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18. Board Game: The Evolution Game [Average Rating:8.00 Unranked]
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The ultimate game about evolution, and one of the rarest games in my collection.
 
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19. Board Game: Origins: How We Became Human [Average Rating:6.74 Overall Rank:1300]
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This would be a challenge to almost everything a creationist would care to assert. Some interesting commentary on the topic from the designer himself.
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20. Board Game: Animality [Average Rating:5.14 Unranked]
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This game involves building an organism with beautiful hex tiles--each adding another level of sophistication to your evolving life-form. You begin with a very simple creature, then add hexes to it as the game progresses to help it "evolve" and adapt to the ever-changing game conditions.

Animality debuted at GenCon 2007. I picked up a copy at a local science/educational store here in Seattle a while back, and have yet to play it. Although each game is made by hand--the craftsmanship is excellent, the graphic design and artwork are gorgeous and the rulebook well-written.

You can take a look at this and other Painted Horse games at:
http://www.paintedhorsegames.com/evo.html
 
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Evolution requires faith as well.
There is no theory of our origins that does not require some amount of faith to believe in.



. . . This is precisely why interpretaions and opinions of supernatural influence historically leads to violence, hatred, and bloodshed.


Wouldn't a denial of supernatural influence be a specific interpretation of
the concept of supernatural influence? Yes, that has also led to religious persecution which has included plenty of hatred, violence and bloodshed.
 
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You forgot a ton of games. Fantasy themed games and science fiction themed games just to name a couple of the big categories. Most creationists do not believe in aliens, unicorns, dragons, high elves or phasers... unlike their Evolutionary counterparts.
 
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joebelanger wrote:
You forgot a ton of games. Fantasy themed games and science fiction themed games just to name a couple of the big categories. Most creationists do not believe in aliens, unicorns, dragons, high elves or phasers... unlike their Evolutionary counterparts.


"This is a collection of games that people who are creationists or who believe in a literal interpretation of the bible would not find enjoyable."
 
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Awesome list!

 
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