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2005 Mensa Select
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1. Board Game: DaVinci's Challenge [Average Rating:5.67 Overall Rank:4840]
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Classic Abstract game that rewards the ability to recognize patterns within patterns
 
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Kane Klenko
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I saw this in Toys R Us the other day. Anybody played it?
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:53 pm
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Yeah, I also saw in a Toys R Us (in CA)...but I'm definitely waiting until a few reviews appear on the Geek.
 
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  • Posted Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:12 pm
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Herr Geistesverwandtschaft
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And now it has turned up at Borders Books.
 
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  • Posted Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:00 am
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I saw this at TRU and took the plunge. If you enjoy abstracts, definitely check it out. We found it to be very enjoyable. See my review for more info.
 
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  • Posted Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:38 pm
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2. Board Game: Ingenious [Average Rating:7.33 Overall Rank:128]
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The Fantasy Flight version was submitted this year. Despite not making the cut last year, it turned out to be quite popular this year
 
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I find it ironic that it didn't make the cut, but was supposed to be released (or was released in England?) as Mensa Connections.
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:21 pm
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Dan Neher
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As I understand the story, International Mensa a few years back commissioned Knizia to create a game for Mensa. He came up with Einfach Genial. At the 2003 Mensa Mind Games, judges were asked in their spare moments (!?) to play and comment on his prototype, which was still very much a work in progress. This year, the American distributor submitted the finished version of the game for judging, and it happened to win. I agree that it would have been deliciously ironic had the game marketed as 'The Mensa Game' or 'Mensa Connections' overseas not managed to win a Mensa award in America, but you can't have everything.
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:23 pm
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3. Board Game: Loot [Average Rating:6.34 Overall Rank:1042]
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Card game where players are tyring to bring home merchant ships in the face of opponents pirates. It had a nice "I want to do two things but I can only do one feel". Good filler with some real tension.
 
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This is a Knizia card game.
I submitted the addition to the Loot page.
For more info, see

http://www.gamewright.com/gamewright/index.php?section=games...


 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:41 am
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This game must be the pirate themed game that was listed some time ago for a future release on the Gone Cardboard page. I had wondered what the game was going to be....given that I tend to be a whore for Knizia (not to be confused for being a whore for Tichu ).
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:50 pm
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4. Board Game: Niagara [Average Rating:6.59 Overall Rank:637]
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Judges were initially put off by the length of the rules (Mensa Select tends to favor games that are shorter with smaller rule sets or quick start rules). But the waterfall gimmick and the interaction of players put it over the top.
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Yeah, long rule sets would be tough for Mensa judges to deal with.
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:01 am
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Tim Kilgore
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Thank you George, you saved me the effort of making a similar response.
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:18 am
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Ed Sherman
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"Me Mensa judge! Game too hard! Grrr!" cry
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:52 pm
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Oddly enough, this is a light game with luck involved. How does it qualify for a Mensa award? Wouldn't Mensa being looking for games that made you think or made you smarter?

I like the game, so I'm not knocking it. Just curious about how it got selected.
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:58 pm
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I think the rules for Niagara are tremendously over-written. Even after the lengthy rules, they have a rule summary page. The reason for the length and redundancy, IMHO, is probably to make the game as clear as possible to non-gamers and kids. Repetition often breeds understanding.
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:48 pm
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5. Board Game: Zendo [Average Rating:7.31 Overall Rank:282]
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Abstract Deduction game and Mensa. Need I say more.
 
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Chester Ogborn
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Can a game just be nominated any old year? How did Zendo come to be on the 2005 list?
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:49 pm
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The fancy-shmancy boxed edition has only been out for about a year. I know the game existed for a while before that.
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:00 pm
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Hmmm... I could have sworn it's been out longer than that -- I'm nearly almost 100% somewhat certain I picked it up at the Looney Lab booth in Gen Con of 2003 after Alison "VP Of Everything" Looney gave a quick demo. Then last year at Gen Con I told her how I used Zendo riddles and concepts in D&D as the basis for some logic puzzles and encounters.

Then again, anything much further back than this morning tends to get fuzzy. Hmmm... even this morning is a bit sketchy. Did I remember to put pants on today?
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:44 pm
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It has been. Zendo (as a box game--even earlier in book form) was released in 2003.

But the Mensa award is based solely on which games are submitted--and presumably it is not required that the game be newly released.
 
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  • Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:56 am
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I wondered the same thing. The criteria are available on the web at the Mind Games web site. See http://mindgames.us.mensa.org/manufacturer/enter.php. The rule that governs here is:

"Entries must have entered U.S. national distribution between February 1, 2004 and April 15, 2005. National distribution means the game is readily available to anyone in the United States. For games sold only through the Internet, the Chief Judge will make the final decision regarding eligibility."

So, the relevant question is not "When did Looney Labs first make the boxed set?" but "When did the boxed set first hit stores across the country?" Presumably, it was after February 1, 2004.

- Jeff
 
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  • Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:13 am
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Alexander Schmalz
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Didn't play any of these games. But "Mensa Select" somehow always makes me want to rate all the games with "1" .
 
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  • Posted Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:59 am
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I think that Zombies!!! should have been among the winners. I am sure that a "no-brainer" game would be a huge hit in Mensa. zombiezombiezombie
 
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  • Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:18 am
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This better than average list of winners. There is no known correlation between Mensa Mind Game winners and quality games. (In the past, about 1/2 are good. 1/2 are bad.)

I think it is mainly due to the system that is used: The games are entered by the manufacturers themselves (so if a game isn't entered, it can't win.) The judges each get a list of 30 games to try within a two day period and then pick their favorites. Most of the games are new to the judges.

The many problems with this system:
- Games have to be simple to learn & simple to play. (Anything that takes over 2 minutes to teach is at a disadvantage.)
- Games have to be pretty fast (since most judges want to try get through most of their lists.) Any game over 45 minutes is in trouble.
- Games that may be fun the first time, but may not hold up on repeat playing. There's no TIME for playing anything more than once! (A lot of the abstracts that have won have that problem: some that won are notoriously drawish or imbalanced--which might not be picked on first playing.)

Look at the BGG top 50--all but maybe 5 or 6 simply would never win at Mensa Select. They are either too "complicated", or too "long" or both.
 
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  • Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:19 am
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Greg Webster
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Mensa is really nothing more than an ego classification and usually, only the very vain or insecure tend to think mensa is anything more than it is. Its one thing to be smart enough to be in Mensa, its another thing to stand on a soap box and tell everyone that you are that smart....


Actually, Mensa is simply a social club whose only membership requirement is scoring in the 98th percentile an IQ test. It's a way for smart people to meet other smart people. Most Mensans have no interest in standing on a soap box and proclaiming their membership to the world because they'd rather avoid eliciting a reaction such as this.

Before you react negatively to this post, consider what prejudices you have about Mensa and Mensans and why you have them. I guarantee Mensans are far more diverse than the stereotype you may have in mind.

Not that I'm trying to hijack this geeklist into a referendum on Mensa....
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  • Posted Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:07 pm
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Another nice thing for a publisher is that some of the major booksellers (Barnes and Noble in particular) place immediate orders for the 5 winners. Any additional sales in the mainstream market are good.

I agree the judging methodolgy is not the best, but it is what it is.
 
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