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We call ourselves wargamers and sometimes grognards. We play wargames. There's the politically correct term of course of "Historic Simulation Board Gaming" that gets used but that's mostly to avoid the people who like to go "You play wargames? I'm against war so I never play those games". Like if you play a wargame there's something wrong with you.

One thing wargamers tend to like is big complex games. We want to not just have fun playing a game but in the end have a greater understanding of the conflict we are recreating. As designers in the 70s began to create bigger and more elaborate games, they became so big that they began to be referred to as monster games.

Monster games are big and they are pretty much solely wargames. Don't ever expect to find a monster game version of Balloon Cup or Formula De. They in general have 1,000+ pieces and can sometimes take weeks or even months to play full campaign games. It's a game you set up in your basement where the cat can't get to it and play hockey with the pieces because it's going to be set up there until next spring.

Many wargamers actually own monster games with no illusions that they will ever really play them. For them it's a research tool to be used to learn about the battle or it's simply fun to set it out and fiddle with a few turns of it. It's the game version of the guy who owns a Ferrari that rarely leaves the garage but when his buddies come over he starts it up for them to hear and maybe take them for a spin around the block in it.

So without further delay, here are some of the hobby's biggest games. The monster games.

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1. Board Game: Summer Storm: the Battle of Gettysburg [Average Rating:7.19 Overall Rank:2521]
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This is the game that I just purchased and made me think of this list. This game features 3 maps with the main tactical map being 51x44", 980 counters and takes many many hours to play. Even as big as it is, it barely qualifies as a monster game and is one of the smallest on this list.

I bought this game simply because I have been studying the Battle of Gettysburg for years and want to be able to replay the game on a grand scale if not just by myself in my basement. You'll find the Battle of Gettysburg is a popular monster game topic as there are four Gettysburg monster games on this list.
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I'm not certain whether I like this game or not, and I do like chit draw type wargames. It's a little too complex for its own good, although the components are absolutely beautiful. Probably the most artful wargame I've ever seen.
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I agree this is a beautiful wargame, and that's probably what's kept me from selling it :) To be honest, I don't think the game is really as complex as it appears, but the rulebook is rather overwrought, and it's what, almost 60 pages now in the revised edition? It could use being chunked down into smaller scenarios and rules segments so you could manage it a little more easily (not to mention get the game more play).

This is a game I'm most likely just never going to play, which is a shame.
2. Board Game: Terrible Swift Sword [Average Rating:7.05 Overall Rank:1171]
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From 1976 by Richard Berg. This game is one of the first monster games. The game's campaign scenario is suppose to last a full 60 hours. This game set the standard for many monster games to come.
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Played this when I was younger. Very good system, tremendously long for the 4 of us to play. Afterwards we set up mini-games using a fraction of the same counters.

One note: In our game, one opponent (who owned the game and the basement we played in) suddenly sent some lone horse artillery off to the empty map edge and unlimbered. When I asked why, he said "because your 7th Corps will be coming down that road at exactly 10:30 AM, and I can rout them off the board". Wow - I never knew that Lee (and all his sub-commanders) historically had been given the Union arrival schedules before the battle! How realistic!

From that moment on, I've always enjoyed invented scenarios far, far, far more than historical battles.
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Summer Storm for Gettysburg uses a strategic double blind system for units arriving on the battlefield. You don't know when or exactly where a specific Union or Confederate Corps will be arriving.
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This was my first monster game back when this edition first came out. I thought the rule system would be aweful, and I was amazed at how well the system flowed. Never got far past the meeting engagements (several times) but was fun. Great looking counters too !
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Berg returns to Gettysburg to create a sequel of sorts to his 1976 game. This one for GMT. I have never seen this game played but I hear the 2004 rule updates did a great deal to smooth over the cumbersome rule booklet.
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Just finished playing the second day campaign game of this one. Quite the experience. Can't compare it to Terrible Swift Sword though, as I haven't played that one.
4. Board Game: Wellington's Victory - Battle of Waterloo [Average Rating:7.06 Overall Rank:1162]
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Want to see what Waterloo was like to command? This game is so big you might want to borrow the neighbor's kitchen table for a while. It says it takes 15 hours to play but I doubt many people have played the full campaign scenario in that amount of time.
5. Board Game: Atlantic Wall [Average Rating:6.56 Overall Rank:2532]
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Another 70s era monster game from SPI. This monster featured 5 map boards and 2,000 counters. WW II and the American Civil War are probibly the two conflicts that get the most attention from monster game designers.
6. Board Game: The Longest Day [Average Rating:7.28 Overall Rank:820]
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This game clocks in at 1,500 counters and 7 maps. I have actually played the full campaign game of this. It took a long time but it sure was fun and gave me a much better understanding of the actual battle itself.
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I wonder what this one would retail for if it was released today. Back when a D&D mod was $5, a game like Nuclear was $10, and a typical AH bookshelf game was $20, this monster sold for over $100!
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Notice this game has map boards rather than paper maps. I don't know of any map close to this size made in recent years that is a mapboard. Makes for one heavy box mind you.
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When this was first released, I believe it sold for $65. I remember thinking how out of reach that figure seemed to me at the time, when my sole source of income was mowing my grandmothers yard. I finally bought it, though, and managed to get partially through two campaigns with a friend in college.
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I would love to play this via VASSAL. Or as a full PC version.
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Many years ago I picked up a copy. A friend and I were looking it over. The friend finally declared "It would be easier to go to Normandy and refight the invasion than set this up."
7. Board Game: This Hallowed Ground [Average Rating:8.27 Overall Rank:985]
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Our fourth Gettysburg monster game. This one feature 2,240 counters and 5 22x34" map sheets. I almost went for this game over Summer Storm. These monster Gettysburg games actually make good multiplayer games as each player can take command of a Corps or division.
8. Board Game: Bloody April: The Battle of Shiloh, 1862 [Average Rating:6.12 Overall Rank:3758]
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The actual sequel to Berg's Terrible Swift Sword. This one deals with Shiloh. This game wasn't as well recieved by people as his previous work but still is a must for wargamers who prefer the Western Theater during the Civil War.
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Alot more bookkeeping than with TSS. The prequel to Campaign for North Africa?
9. Board Game: A Fearful Slaughter: The Battle of Shiloh [Average Rating:7.77 Overall Rank:1664]
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A more recent treatment on the battle of Shiloh. This one is sort of a sibling to This Hallowed Ground, featuring 1,400 counters. I've heard good things on this game.
10. Board Game: Pacific War [Average Rating:7.46 Overall Rank:509]
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Mark Herman's monster game on the Pacific Theater. 2,340 counters. This game is a real masterpiece. I've been fortunate to play it twice and enjoyed every minute of it.
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This was my second monster game. Loved it. Great design.
11. Board Game: River of Death [Average Rating:7.00 Overall Rank:2689]
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Richard Berg may be the most prolific monster game designer on the planet. Here he recreates the Battle of Chickamauga down to the regimental level.
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12. Board Game: Barbarossa: Army Group Center, 1941 [Average Rating:8.01 Overall Rank:1353]
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GMT is at this moment the king of Monster Games. They are putting out some real quality work and this is another example.
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Can't resist giving the designer and my friend Vance von Borries a prop here. I recently got a sneak peek at the learning scenario of the next game in this series. I think he said all the games in his East Front series add up to 22 22x34 map sheets. I The learning scenario was on 1 8 x 11 piece of paper.
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I really like the B:AGX games and I think they're somewhat underrated. One of the big selling points for me is that it's not *that* monster - there are a lot of good scenarios, and even the big campaign games in each box are comparatively playable, at least when put up against some of the CWB, RSS, TCS, and OCS games from The Gamers, which are mind-bogglingly huge.

I haven't gotten to play these games as much as I'd like, but I've always enjoyed them. And Kasserine, which is a very similar system but much smaller game, is amongst my favorites in this genre.
13. Board Game: A World at War [Average Rating:7.33 Overall Rank:1398]
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Here's another example of GMT's monster games and a fine one it is. This game is actually a combination of sorts of the games Advanced Third Reich and Empire of the Rising Sun. It also has very cool box art. How big is this game? Here are the stats from the BGG summery of the game.

* 2,800 full-color die-cut counters.
* Four 22"x30" full-color mapsheets
* 12 Player Aid Cards
* 196-page Rulebook
* 72-page Status Sheet booklet
* 24-page Research and Diplomacy booklet
* 24-page Scenario booklet
* 8 six-sided dice
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I'm with you there Patrick. A3R I thought was awful for the 1990s, and AWAW now has a rulebook the size of ASL for what is, by most gaming reckonings, a somewhat limited situation. This might be acceptable if it was in service of some sort of simulation value, but it's not.

Europe Engulfed is where it's at these days. It doesn't provide as many wacky (and probably grossly a-historical) option, but it makes it up in being something you can actually play.

I should say, I'm not adverse to monster games in principle; I love OCS, and EuroFront was a lot of fun. But a monster game has to really give you something extra to compensate for the time investment, and for me anyway, AWAW does not.
14. Board Game: Empire of the Rising Sun [Average Rating:6.64 Overall Rank:2012]
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More cool box art on this game of the Pacific Theater. This game features as well a staggering 2,800 counters. I love some folks who give games like these bad ratings here on BGG because they take to long to play. They're suppose to take a long time to play!

This game by the way actually can be played in combination with another monster game. It's sibling Advanced Third Reich.
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There are only 1300 counters in the game.
15. Board Game: Advanced Third Reich [Average Rating:6.51 Overall Rank:1194]
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Ok, so you combine this game on the European Theater with it's counterpart Empire of the Rising Sun and it's 2,800 counters and you get....well unfortunately, I actually wasn't able to find out how many counters this game has. However I think it's fair to assume it's likely close to the same number as it's sibling. If that is the case (and I am sure someone here can give us an exact count) that means when you combine the two you are looking at something in the area of 5,000 counters. Now that's a monster!!!!
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There are 1040 counters. They are not all on the board at the same time.

I've played this game, and despite popular beliefs, it's not at all unplayable. It is far superior to Third Reich, which I suspect most people are thinking of when they dis this game. This is a good monster game (but the more modern Europe Engulfed is better and more playable).

Some of A3R's concepts, like eliminating your unmoving replacement units (who are hanging out at the military colleges) to account for frontline attrition losses, the abstracted naval interception rules, and relocation of air bases, are interesting and unusual.

In practice, it all works pretty well and generates some real excitement. There are indeed A LOT of phases per game turn, but the turn sequence chart that's printed on the back of the rules takes it all step by step... so if you can read and follow instructions, you can play the game. Strategy is another matter.:)
16. Board Game: Typhoon! [Average Rating:7.31 Overall Rank:2018]
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Ok, after listing a number of games with 2,000+ counters and maps the size of New Hampshire, it almost seems anticlimactic to list Typhoon which has only 960 counters and 3 22x34" maps. GMT is working on a new edition of this game which is currently on their P500 list.
17. Board Game: War Galley [Average Rating:7.14 Overall Rank:1225]
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Yes it's Richard Berg again, hooking up with Mark Herman. This time they've done something unique in monster games. It's a naval monster game!

This nautical monster game is based on ancient naval battles. It has 560 warship counters and another 560 for transports, leaders and so on. This game isn't so much a monster game as it is 13 different games rolled into one as it recreates 13 different naval battles in the era pre-BC.

The game is currently on GMT's P500 list waiting for a reprint. It at 462 at the moment....well 463 I guess as I just pulled the trigger and put myself in for one.
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You also get the Salamis expansion free when you preorder War Galley
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Why wait for P500? You can typically get this on ebay for $175 - $385.:)
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$200??? You must be kidding. This is one of the worst games in the GBOH series ... I sold mine years ago. You could get a copy of Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage for that.

I like some of the GBOH games, like Cataphract and The Devil's Horsemen; and I even have some affection for SPQR, even though it's a bit overwrought and takes too long. But this one seemed unbelievably hokey, and it's going to give you RSI just rolling all the missile fire. I played it a couple times with a few friends, all of whom came to the same conclusion ... this was just plain lousy.
18. Board Game: Empires in Arms [Average Rating:7.52 Overall Rank:225]
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BGG summery lists this game as lasting 132 turns with 100-150 hours of play time for the full campaign game. At that point I think you've stepped beyond just gaming and are entering the area of historical research.
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I have been lucky enough to participate in three full campaigns - it becomes a way of life. A lot of diplomacy takes place between sessions. Perhaps the most totally engrossing game that I have played. I recommend it - the scenarios are nothing after having played the campaign.

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What an excellent in depth game EiA is. I've played through 4 full sessions before and the diplomacy that goes along with the fighting is superb.

I've played the 'Sick Man of Europe' twice now and to great effect attempting to rebuild my lost Ottoman possesions...damn you Russia for your claim on the Black Sea!
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I echo David's comment that this is a great game to play over many sessions. The planning and diplomacy between sessions became a way of life for me over a few years (6 full campaigns with 7 players).
19. Board Game: This Terrible Sound [Average Rating:8.09 Overall Rank:1502]
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The Battle of Chickamauga with 1960 counters and 6 maps!
20. Board Game: World in Flames [Average Rating:7.36 Overall Rank:302]
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I love this picture because it's obvious this game is set up in the basement. Only 1,200 counters (like 1,200 counters is something to sneeze at). I haven't played this one but it's likely one of the more popular monster games out there. It rates well here on BGG.
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Adding one or more expansions helps bring the counter count up. I'm in a three-player game of this at the moment (now January 1940), playing the USSR. Only the Axis player, who owns the game, has experience, but we newbies hopefully can hold our own. Hey, if that boiler explodes you'll have Basement in Flames (let's hope this doesn't happen)!
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With all the expansions I believe there are 4000 counters or more, although some will replace other counters and I haven't counted how many we actually use in a game.

For one particular 6 player game that took about a year playing once per week, we rented a basement store-room with only one small window and concrete walls. It quickly got a nickname: "The Bunker".
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Nice thing is that it can be a "Monster Game" with the classic version or a "Ungodly Monster Game" with the deluxe version, depending on your tastes.

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If you play using the "kitchen Sink" method... there are 6,643 counters. In addition, using all possible expansions, you can simulate almost every event from the beginning of WW1 to the Korean War... that is, if you can negotiate the sargasso sea quagmyre of rules, stipulations, addendum and errata.

It helps to be single and somewhat anti-social because this is going to be long journey and you can't take along excess baggage. If you are married, don't worry... devotion to this cause will settle your mastrimonial issues well before Berlin falls.

A quote which sums this epic up quite well:

(From the movie "Men in Black"... K (Tommy Lee Jones) is asking J (Will Smith) to join MIB)

J: "K... is it worth it?"

K: (taking a second to respond) "Sure........... if you're strong enough."


21. Board Game: Highway to the Reich [Average Rating:6.71 Overall Rank:2006]
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A favorite of my younger days, and I still crave more Operation Market-Garden games. Now on the P500 list at Decision Games, so please sign up!
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If you liked this one, you may be interested in 'Devil's Cauldron', on P500 at MMP. It looks like it will be a good one.
22. Board Game: Wacht Am Rhein [Average Rating:7.31 Overall Rank:1905]
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Well-regarded monster on the Battle of the Bulge.
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The picture is from the SPI original. Decision Games has reprinted it with an updated map, and now plans on another update that will tie into their upcoming Huertgen Forest game. I picked up the DG reprint already, but have yet to play it.
23. Board Game: Streets Of Stalingrad 3rd Edition [Average Rating:7.50 Overall Rank:1365]
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And a new version of the Battle of Stalingrad. 5/8" inch counters, so you can stash your trifocals.
24. Board Game: Drang Nach Osten [Average Rating:6.82 Overall Rank:3083]
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As far as I can tell, the first true monster game (1973).

Division-level Operation Barbarossa - Invasion of Russia, 1941. Five map sheets and 1800 units.

Re-released as Fire in the East. The original's add-on for 1942-on, Unentscheiden, was re-released as Scorched Earth. Between the two of them, you'll end up with about thirty square feet of map, and over 7,000 counters.

I played FitE and SE a lot in eighties. I may never play them again, but it would still take a great deal to pry them from my hands.
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This one was already a dark legend by the time I started wargaming in earnest, but 7,000 counters? A trip to the dentist sounds more inviting.
25. Board Game: Fire in the East [Average Rating:7.31 Overall Rank:1109]
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By popular demand. Featuring 2,800+ counters and a map that could cover most New England states.
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The father (DNO) of this truly great monster was the first true monster game. In my opinion Fire in the East along with Scorched Earth is the very best monster wargame out there. Nothing compares.

except of course World in Flames.
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I read your opening comments while Gandalf was preparing to head out in search of Eomer..."Look to my coming on the third day..."

The music playing while I read your comments was very grand and appropriate!!!!sauron
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No Monster Game list can be complete without mention of the Europa series... I was gonna add Fire in the East if someone hadn't beat me to it.
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There are also DAKII from MMP, La Bataille series from COA, Whistling Death also from COA and many more...
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Do not forget these titles from AWE : Europa Universalis and The Great War.
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