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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Paul Hoffmann
United States
Berkeley
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L2 Deluxe Edition. Punched and played. Box has a couple of dings, but is pretty good overall. Pieces are excellent.

Includes
Bitter Woods (4th Edition) Expansion Kit
New in shrink
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Mark Sautman
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Evans
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or the designer's edition
 
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Art Dohrman
United States
Huntsville
Alabama
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no way I'm ready for the tournament since I've played about 4 turns of this game, total, but would like to get a little more familiar with it!
 
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
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This year will also mark the 70th anniversary of The Battle of the Bulge. This is an interesting battle that effected the war in many ways, and of the many battles in WWII, it is one of the more represented in game form. Why do think that is so? Do you have a game about the Bastogne battle that you like?
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Larz Welo
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If things go according to plan, I will be spending about 4 days in Jogjakarta this month at Adhika's home. This is going to be the game we play over the weekend and the evenings.

I am going to be discussing a practicum partnership between the university he works for (Gajah Mada University) and the non-profit we coordinate (Kaganangan). With the extra time we'll be seeing if the Panzers can make it to Antwerp!


Canceled! Check item #128
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Skip Franklin
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Oklahoma City
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ADC2, CB, VSL
 
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Daniel Berger
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Littleton
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Although I already have FAB: The Bulge, I thought it would be good to get a hex and counter wargame on the subject. It looked nice, and had mostly had good ratings.

Unfortunately, the game play left something to be desired. With relatively low counter density and the way the rules were written, it really became a game of ZOC chess. One bad move by the allied player in the early round could spell doom. It just didn't feel like a real wargame to me.

I later played Ardennes '44, and decided it was the better game, if a bit more gritty.
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Daniel Berger
United States
Littleton
Colorado
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Played a couple turns, but things collapsed quickly for the allies. Too simple and too chess-like for our tastes. I traded it shortly after this.
 
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Christopher Yaure
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Plymouth Meeting
Pennsylvania
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Begins Tuesday, 7/30/13
 
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Mike W
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Portland
Oregon
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Not familiar with this one..

Average ranking of 7.88 with 24 people ranking it.
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Jason Monroe
United States
St Louis
Missouri
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$70 for Bitter Woods - Complete & unpunched (included rulebook and counters for both the 1st and 2nd edition)...and...Bitter Woods Deluxe 4th edition - complete & unpunched...and
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Myk Deans
United States
Beaverton
Oregon
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Game for Chuck and I
 
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Robert Carroll
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Lawrence
Kansas
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Feb 2007* Well, yes, another Bulge game in my collection. I have them all, pretty much. Big and small. And, this is the finest Regimental Level Bulge game on the market. Don't just take my word for it. Danny S Parker, noted Battle of the Bulge expert, Historian and author gives this game the highest praise. And, Deluxe Bitter Woods is also extremely well researched. Randy Heller has dedicated all his energies to making this game the best it can be, and it shows!

Excellent graphics, gorgeous map, beautiful counters, the Deluxe Edition is the final say. Well balanced, easy to play, this game has been a favorite at conventions for years. This alone testifies to the staying power of this fantastic game. Randy Heller and Bruno Sinigaglio are to be commended for their dedication and commitment to excellence. If you love the Battle of the Bulge, this game is your only choice. Try the others, but you will play this one over and over again!

--Art Lupinacci (gamewyzard)
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Hawkeye
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New York
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PBS covered the battle in 1994 with one of their excellent documentaries for The American Experience. You can watch it in it's entirety here:

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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Remy Gibson
United States
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Link to weight graph
 
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Arthur Dougherty
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Another shocker and again I don't know really which way I'm leaning, but I've got this, Ardennes 44, FAB Bulge, SCS Bastogne (again not really the same thing). I want to hold onto FAB Bulge because it could have some face-to-face play... or maybe it's just that I really want to get it to the table badly enough to extend its time on my shelf. Part of me feels like Bastogne and another title could get sold off and I'd never really feel it. I've played Bastogne and liked it, but it's not an incredibly deep experience to keep me coming back.
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To review αναφερεται στους βελτιωμενους κανονες του : Bitter Woods (4th Edition) Expansion Kit.

Αρδεννες Δεκεμβριος 1944, η τελευταια μεγαλη αντεπιθεση των Γερμανων εναντια στις Αγγλο-Αμερικανικες δυναμεις που προελαυνουν μερικους μηνες μετα την αποβαση στη Νορμανδια.

Πολυ καλα components, εξαιρετικος (και μεγαλος) ο χαρτης με ανετα hexes, ευκρινεστατος και πολυ ξεκουραστος δεδομενου οτι θα αφιερωσετε πολλες ωρες κοιτοντας τον. Τα counter ειναι διαστασης 5/8" δηλαδη αρκετα μεγαλα και ξεκουραστα για τα ματια σας για παιχνιδι αυτης της κλιμακας.

Οι μηχανισμοι στη βαση του ειναι αρκετα απλοι και κατανοητοι, η πιο συνηθισμενη φραση που μου ερχοταν καθε φορα στο μυαλο μετα απο καθε παραγραφο που διαβαζα ηταν "ενταξει, πολυ λογικο", οποτε το διαβασμα θα κυλησει αρκετα ανετα και χωρις ιδιαιτερο πονοκεφαλιασμα. Εχει αρκετες μικρο εξαιρεσεις, καποιες απο τις οποιες ισχυουν για συγκεκριμενες μερες του campaign γεγονος που σημαινει οτι θα χρειαστει ενα μικρο χαρτακι με υπενθυμισεις για να μην ξεχαστει κατι.

Το αποτελεσμα ειναι ενα παιχνιδι μεγαλης ιστορικης ακριβειας το οποιο διεπεται απο απλους σχετικα μηχανισμους οι οποιοι σε ωθουν σε στρατιωτικα λογικες επιλογες και σου δινουν την ικανοποιηση οτι ζεις τη μαχη οπως εγινε, χωρις αυτο να σημαινει οτι δεν σου αφηνει τις επιλογες να κατευθυνεις την πορεια της με διαφορετικο τροπο απο αυτον που ειχαν επιλεξει ιστορικα οι παραταξεις.

Εχει μεγαλο ευρος στρατηγικων επιλογων σε μεγαλο μετωπο, αλλα αναλογα με τις συνθηκες μπορει να εμφανιστουν και καταστασεις οπου θα απαιτηθουν καποιες κινησεις τακτικης προκειμενου να βγεις απο τη δυσκολη θεση.

Αν σας αρεσει να στηνετε παγιδες σε βαθος χρονου και να βλεπετε καταστασεις πιο "μπροστα" απο τον αντιπαλο σας, τοτε αυτο ειναι το ιδανικο παιχνιδι για εσας.

Βαθμολογια: 9/10
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
oystein eker
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Hard to tell if this one a further away than two mentioned above. Large box so it protrudes out of shelf. Close call.
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David Dockter
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Some of the shine is gone, but still highly coveted.

The Bulge.

Second thoughts? 3%

Precious? 5x.

Fans 2%
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Robert Carroll
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Lawrence
Kansas
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Simply the ultimate Bulge game at this scale. Detailed enough to get a true sense of the battle, with elegant mechanics, virtually flawless rules, and outstanding graphics, all of which make playing the game a joy. L2 version.

--Roger Eastep (roger-e)

Includes Bitter Woods.
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Archibald Longdale
Hungary
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Daniel Berger
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Littleton
Colorado
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Either this or Ardennes '44 needs to hit the table this year.

Must be played in 2012.
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Kevin Bakker
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Sweetener:
Bitter Woods (4th Edition) Expansion Kit


Box Condition:
Very Good - minimal wear, one slight crease on top of box.

Game Condition:
Very Good. Counters are punched and in a GMT counter tray. The game has not been played, only fondled lovingly.

Expansion Condition: New - unpunched

Edition:
L2 Design Group

Free shipping USA, first $10 anywhere else
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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Iain K
United States
Arvada
Colorado
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Well it's only fair after heaping derision on all of you, that I should fess up to what I've been playing.

First kudos to Airjudden, who waited until after midnight on December 1st to post the list. You have come a long way from the days were you'd stay up past midnight to post. I fact, looking at the header it seems you were able to wait until...

... son of a ! Damn it Judd! You're in remission!

OK, first step, first step. So we're not on step 4 of the program yet. Yes it has 12 steps, but first step Bud, first step.


So here in the good Old U.S. of A. we had a holiday weekend this past week. Cyber Thanksgiving or some such. It's just like Thanksgiving back in Canada except it isn't held on the proper date and it's marginally less contrived.

Anywho, I had friends and relatives visiting of course.

And I wanted to introduce someone to wargaming.

Now I did some soul searching, found I didn't have one.

Point is, I looked at the lists, I looked at my collection. And then I laid out half a dozen real wargames. Not short games, not easy games, not card games. Real, honest to God cardboard pieces and paper map wargames.

I told the boy, "These are wargames, Yes, they're butt ugly. Choose one that looks good. But be warned, they 're not easy, you're gonna have to think, but you'll get it."

I mean hell, back in the day we learned to wargame without starter kits, player aides, online forums, or cards telling us what to do.

Bottom line, he chose Bitter Woods, and quipped "if it's winter, why's the tank painted green and orange?"

Smart kid like I said.

So we covered the rules and began the 6 turn tournament scenario. There were a few teething problems, we discussed them. We had a discussion of the role that Army boundaries play on Allied startegy ... with the game's designer ... and at his suggestion we reset to play the 8 turn tournament scenario. Smart kid liked the game even though my Allies stymied his Axis advance. Now he's reading a book about the battle (Alamo in the Ardennes) and wants to play again over Christmas.

This all left me a bit smug, my natural state granted, but let's agree that it reinforced my innate smugness.

More importantly, a new wargamer has been born.

Happy Holidays and Great Gaming everyone!

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Board Game: Bitter Woods (fourth edition) [Average Rating:7.68 Overall Rank:1581]
Rodrigo Alvarez
Spain
Gijon
Asturias
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This year I signed up for both the normal SS and SantaGrogs. Somehow they manage to contact each other and asked the moderators and me if it was ok to send me a single gift.

This seemed like a nice idea because they might want to send me something from themselves instead of purchasing it in a store, and this would be a great way to reduce shipping costs, since I live overseas.

After a while, I had to go to the postal office (they didn't leave a pickup receipt, but I had the tracking number provided by SS) and grabbed a box.

Inside there was Bitter Woods. What can I say? I really like to have oop games, and somehow I don't have any that simulates the Bulge. Actually it was pretty high in my wishlist.

So, thanks a lot, I really love participating, even if the waiting kills me a bit .
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