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HANJEL T
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30 min. 2 players.
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David Siskin
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Andrei Palmer
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Kevin Eastwood
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Dracut
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What happened? I love snow! Ok, so now that I got that out of the way, I loved the look of the map, and I knew that I wasn't really a hex and counter wargmer, but heard this was a good entry level game. I struggled trying to play this solo, having to control both sides of the map, and what unfolded before me was an interesting story, but ultimately I just didn't want to invest the time to play both sides solo. I'm sure this is great with 2 players, but for now I'm staying away from hex/counter wargames until I have someone else to play with who can "hold my hand" through learning these types of games.
 
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Gregory Smith
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Newark
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Opened, but unplayed and unpunched. Box does have some shelf wear.

$65 plus shipping.

Geek Market link: https://www.boardgamegeek.com/geekmarket/product/edit/904153
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Len K
United States
Westford
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For sale.

Opened, unpunched, mint condition.

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Sean McCormick
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Philadelphia
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Into Day 4 and the Finnish counterattack is about to pound my forces, who suffered unusually badly from the cold weather. Not a game that I feel like I play at a high level, but a flip through of the Operation Dauntless rulebook does make me appreciate the streamlined play here.
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Andrew N
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Rochester
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Tough choice. There have been lots of great wargames that have come out in the last 5 years. I think this one may be the best, though. Red Winter is one of those games that accomplishes a lot without a ton of effort. A game that plays quickly and easily, but still has chrome-y goodness like rules for the the Soviets freezing to death if they don't build bonfires at night (and for how that helps the Finns perform night raids) is a great thing in my book.
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CJ Hakansson
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Vasteras
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Either re-print it already or give me a used copy, please! I have russkies to trap with my field kitchens!
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Sean McCormick
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My Russian attack has largely stalled in the center, and while I sent a sizeable detachment north to conduct a flanking move, I don't feel like they have the offensive oomph to move the dug-in Finnish companies that oppose them. I have gotten about four companies around the Finnish defenses in the south, getting an outpost on Kotisaari and a few companies over to the southern edge of Tolvajarvi, but they've been worn down through combat and are not likely to do much more. To that end, I brought on some armor with the hope of running them straight up the gut and punching their way through to the Hotel.

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Eric Stubbs
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Yesterday evening, Asmoridin and I continued the game of Red Winter we started last month.

It did not go well for the Soviets; a key factor was his really poor dice rolls, while the few I made were generally very successful. Casualties on the Soviet side were so severe that they had a morale collapse on Turn 11, which is late in the second day of a five-day campaign and much earlier than a morale collapse usually occurs, so after some discussion, double-checking and thinking about whether to fudge rules a bit, we decided to just call it a Finnish victory and we plan to restart the game with the same sides and same optional rules we used this time. It just wouldn't have been interesting for either of us to continue the game. We both enjoyed it despite all this, though!

I think a lot of it was bad luck, especially in the beginning when my tactics weren't great, but Asmoridin believes his tactics were flawed on Day 2 and after thinking about it a bit I've come to agree. Per his own admissions, he committed two tank companies but piecemeal, and didn't focus enough on single big attacks to break key points. After some initial missteps (my bacon mostly being saved by his terrible luck), I ended up in strong positions, and his artillery and tanks and everything just couldn't do much to them. There was also one crucial point where he left troops vulnerable on the ice and I promptly crossed some infantry from Kotisaari island and got a 6-1 attack (concentric, plus the massive column shift for hitting Soviets on the frozen lake) that wiped out the entire stack of three companies and a machine gun. One thing I realized is that he could have taken more of his overall losses as retreats and then just moved back into contact for combat the next turn, which would have helped prevent the morale collapse.

A few photos below.

There used to be a Soviet stack in the frozen lake between the dug-in Finns and the bicycle companies...


Situation at the start of Turn 11, Soviet morale collapse.


Casualties.
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Matthias Jahr
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Titel : Red Winter: The Soviet Attack at Tolvajärvi, Finland – 8-12 December 1939

Verlag : GMT Games
Version: English first edition (2012)
Sprache: Englisch
Zustand: sehr gut.
 
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Rodney Clowsewitz
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Moncton
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Starting Bid: $50.00




BIN: $70.00



Unpunched, like new condition.
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Sean McCormick
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I am just terrible at this game. Finns, Soviets, no matter--I can't remember the last time a game made me feel so incompetent. Right now I'm late in Day 2 with my Soviets thoroughly behind schedule and bottled up in front of the hotel. The only positive is that I made a lucky low-odds attack that gained a foothold on Kotissari, and I have a moderately threatening flanking movement going on in the north, but I've been unable to either concentrate overwhelming force against a single point or spread out the Finns sufficiently to cause them problems.
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Eric Stubbs
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On the other hand, February is looking up for wargames. Fellow geek Asmoridin and I finally got Red Winter to the table; we intend to play the full campaign over several sessions and yesterday evening we made it through Day 1. He has the Soviets and I have the Finns. For optional rules we're using Friction Fire, Pajari's Heart Condition, and Soviet Coordination.

His tactics have been better than mine: I've put myself in bad/risky situations more than once and he's exploited that. However, the dice have been VERY unkind to him. As Day 2 dawns, he has multiple battered infantry companies on the map, one in the dead pile (it can be reconstituted), and a mortar and infantry gun eliminated by my night raid (lucky dice for me). I have two reduced infantry companies and everything else is full strength. He's seriously considering just committing at least two tank companies and going for broke on the automatic victory, which should be entertaining/terrifying.

We recorded everything carefully so we can set it back up again to continue, and I look forward to it!

A sticky situation that turned out much better for me than it should have:


Start of Day 2:
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Have heard a lot of good things about this ...
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Washington
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Came across this in the PDX flea market and got it for $35. That seemed reasonable given some of the prices it's going for both on BGG and Ebay. Chalk it up to backdoor completionism having recently gotten Operation Dauntless: The Battles for Fontenay and Rauray, France, June 1944 which uses a similar rules set. This one seems like the one to start with as there's a lower unit count and unit type count. This five day affair seems to nail the heart of the conflict in Finland between the Fins and the Ruskies.
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I bought that wargame in september 2012
after a break time without playing wargames I started again playing
and was my first acquisition
and a month later, send a mail to Mark Mokszycki to help testing Operation Dauntless and I meet a great designer (and person!)
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Jimmy Okolica
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Washington Township
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Entered collection: Dec-15
Last play: PLAYED 27-Apr-16

Introductions: 5
Weight: 3
Mathiness: 3
Player Count: 5
TOTAL: 16

I read the rules before I got it and I haven't either broken the shrink nor read the rules since. I picked it up because it had short scenarios and I thought it'd be good to play with my son. However, we've played other things since Christmas. At this point, I'd need to re-read the rules before tackling it with him and I'm just not motivated too at this point.
 
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Sean McCormick
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Attacking, defending, it makes no difference--I officially cannot play the Finns effectively.
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William Kelley
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Chepachet
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For a winter (December Anniversary) alternative to Bulge games, anyone up for Red Winter: The Soviet Attack at Tolvajarvi, Finland

Other suggestions;
Guilford or other games from the BAR series
Stonewall Jackson's Way II in the process of learning this series

Bill
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Jim F
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Punched but in excellent condition

£10 for internationl

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Partially punched but in excellent condition, if no takers for RW.
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Evanston
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Opened but never played.

This game is highly regarded, but I've had it sitting here too long. It needs someone else's love.
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Stig Morten
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Kvernaland
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Put a timer on one minute before looking at the spoiler.
Write anything/everything that comes to mind about the topic and after one minute you put your pen down.
Spoiler (click to reveal)
The topic is winter


I use this writing exercise in class and it is a great thing to get them to produce text without thinking too much about grammer and what the words are if translated. When I use it in English the pupils write Norwegian words if they need a word they don't know. (Then we go over those words afterwards)
I sometimes give them 1,5 minutes and go down in 15 second intervals for every topic. Some pupils write the same amount of text on the first topic that they do on the third or fourth.
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Sean McCormick
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Having serious problems with my Soviet opponent, who has been stacking his MG units five deep to form serious RAT hammers. In retrospect, I should have been more careful about exposing my units to ranged fire, but I'm continually trying to find a way to play the Finns aggressively. No luck doing so to this point.
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