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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
M.J.E. Hendriks
Netherlands
Arnhem
Gelderland
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Condition: Very good (never played, only unpunched)

Version: Queen Games, German

Language dependency: None

Starts: €5
BIN: €10

I'll be in Essen from Thursday-Sunday

Auction ends: October 1st, random time


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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Antonis Kalogerakis
Greece
Heraklion
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ΕΚΔΟΣΗ: Γερμανική.

ΓΛΩΣΣΙΚΗ ΕΞΑΡΤΗΣΗ: Καμία, μόνο οι κανόνες είναι στα γερμανικά.

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ΜΕΤΑΦΟΡΙΚΑ: Δωρεάν σε όλη την Ελλάδα.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Antonis Kalogerakis
Greece
Heraklion
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Edition: German edition.

Language Dependence: None.

Condition: Very good.

Shipping: Free to Europe.

 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Charles Faella
United States
Peace Dale
RI
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Condition: New Unpunched

Edition: English

Opening / Lowest Acceptable Bid: $ 12
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
antonio martino
Italy
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gioco indus, edizione queen games

edizione: multilingua (forse tedesco), regolamento italiano stampato a colori in stampante laser allegato.

condizione:a NUOVO!! solo defustellato, mai giocato.

scatola: perfetta!!!

dipendenza dalla lingua: nessuna, ognu sua parte è completamente priva di parole o testo. completamente indipendente

disponibile per lo scambio a mano nelle seguenti zone: pescara, fermo, roma.



spedizione: gratuita in italia
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Jan Ostmann
Germany
München (Munich)
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Titel: Indus

Verlag: Queen Games

Version / Jahr: 2004

Sprache(n): Deutsch

Zustand: sehr gut

Spiel kommt aus tier- und rauchfreiem Haushalt.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
antonio martino
Italy
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gioco indus, edizione queen games

edizione: multilingua (forse tedesco), regolamento italiano stampato a colori in stampante laser allegato.

condizione: NUOVO!! solo defustellato, mai giocato.

scatola: perfetta!!!

dipendenza dalla lingua: nessuna, ognu sua parte è completamente priva di parole o testo. completamente indipendente

disponibile per lo scambio a mano nelle seguenti zone: pescara, fermo, roma.

possibile anche scambio a mano agli asterion gaming days

spedizione: gratuita in italia
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Antonis Kalogerakis
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Heraklion
Crete
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ΕΚΔΟΣΗ: Γερμανική.

ΓΛΩΣΣΙΚΗ ΕΞΑΡΤΗΣΗ: Καμία, μόνο οι κανόνες είναι στα γερμανικά.

ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ: Πολύ καλή. Δεν έχει παιχτεί ποτέ. Ούτε όλα τα stickers δεν έχουν τοποθετηθεί.

ΜΕΤΑΦΟΡΙΚΑ: Δωρεάν σε όλη την Ελλάδα.


Γλυκαντικό 1:Souvlaki Wars



ΕΚΔΟΣΗ: Ελληνική.

ΓΛΩΣΣΙΚΗ ΕΞΑΡΤΗΣΗ: Μέτρια. Χρειάζεται paste-ups για να παιχτεί...

ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ: Αγγίνιο... Το'χω ακόμα με τα νάιλα...


Γλυκαντικό 2: Love Letter



ΕΚΔΟΣΗ: Αγγλική.

ΓΛΩΣΣΙΚΗ ΕΞΑΡΤΗΣΗ: Καμία.

ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ: Πολύ καλή. Δεν υπάρχει η πλαστική συσκευασία στην οποία ήταν. Είναι sleeved.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Patrick Dignam
United States
Lithia
Florida
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Played once.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Tomás Fabián González
France
Maisons-Alfort
Val-du-Marne
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Version: EN/DE Queen
Etat: Très bon état (Joué une fois)
Langue: EN, DE mais jeu indépendant de la lange.

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Version: Edge
Etat: Très bon état (Joué une fois)
Langue: Français.

Envoi gratuit en France/Belgique/Luxembourg par Mondial Relay, delta pour le reste du monde.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Bruce Murphy
Australia
Pyrmont
NSW
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punched, unplayed
$20 or trade
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Antonis Kalogerakis
Greece
Heraklion
Crete
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Edition: German edition.

Language Dependence: None.

Condition: Very good.

Shipping: Free to Europe.

 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Jan Ostmann
Germany
München (Munich)
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Title: Indus

Publisher: Queen Games

Version / Year Published: 2004

Language(s): German (English and other rules available)

Condition: very good

Language dependency: No necessary in-game text

FREE shipping within the DHL Zone 1 (EU), 7 EUR for shipping to any other area, paid via paypal or Skrill. You have to cover the fees. If you don't have that option, please add 5%.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
antonio martino
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gioco indus, edizione queen games

edizione: multilingua (forse tedesco), regolamento italiano stampato a colori in stampante laser allegato.

condizione: NUOVO!! solo defustellato, mai giocato.

scatola: perfetta!!!

dipendenza dalla lingua: nessuna, ogni sua parte è completamente priva di parole o testo. completamente indipendente

Presente a tutta la play, da venerdì primo pomeriggio a domenica sera
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Eric Benson
United States
Shelton
Washington
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Had to run into "civilization" to run some errands, so had to stop by three haunts, and was relatively successful at all of them.

First, found Indus at Lacey VV for $7.99. Probably should have saved my $$$, but the Queen Games logo called awful loud.

***Update***
Contents complete and in fine order.
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
John Crawford
United States
Renton
Washington
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Played 2015-07-19

My wife told me today that she'd play a bunch of new games with me after we bought some new furniture; I took her up on it. I had a bunch of Queen games which I've never gotten around to playing, so I pulled them out. Indus doesn't really have a great rating, however I liked it. Quite a bit of luck, but it is a light game, so it fits. I did however lose miserably to both my wife and daughter.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Jonas
Germany
Göttingen
Niedersachsen
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Indus Valley, Mohenjo Daro, Harappa

Bronze age settlements in the Indus valley were first excavated in the 1920s and 1930s. Of these urban settlements Mohenjo-daro is the largest, it is estimated to have reached its urban state approx. 2400 BC. It started to decline ca. 1900 BC. According to the archaeologists, the amount of gamesmen and dice found at Mohenjo-daro was notable. Other hallmarks, by the way, are its use of standardized mudbricks and the systems for water supply and drainage employed.

We'll ignore the gamesmen. Based on Elke Rogersdotter, there are two or three types of dice to discuss:
1. cubical dice,
2. stick dice (with some sort of numerical markings), called "tabular dice" by Mackay, sub-divided into five types,
3. casting sticks (?).

1. Cubical dice (Rogersdotter 2011, pp. 137-141)
Mackay in Marshall 1931, p. 551, wrote:
That dicing was a common game at Mohenjo-daro is proved by the number of pieces that have been found. In all cases they are made of pottery and are usually cubical, ranging in size from 1.2 by 1.2 by 1.2 inches, to 1.5 by 1.5 by 1.5 inches. One die, however, is rectangular, measuring 1.6 by 1.4 by 1.1 inches. I have found by experiment that owing to the inequality of its sides, all of which are numbered, this particular die has a distinct bias towards the higher numbers.


In the original field register, cubes and sticks are not distinguished. The excavation of the area DK-C first was headed by K.N. Diskhit, but due to an illness the final compilation and presentation of the findings fell to Mackay. It is possible that Mackay erroneously claimed in his first summary on Games and Toys (in Marshall 1931) that cubes formed the majority of found dice. At least in 1938 he claimed the opposite, writing that stick dice were more numerous than cubes.

Most of the cubical dice have pips arranged so that 1 is opposite to 2, 3 opposite 4, 5 opposite 6. They were made of pottery, stone, and ivory.





Color images of a cubical die from Harappa:
https://www.facebook.com/AncientIndus/photos/a.1015031561692...
http://veda.wikidot.com/info%3Aorigin-of-games (bottom of the page)

2. Stick dice (Rogersdotter 2011, pp. 137-141)
These long shapes (mostly rectangular/ four-sided) seem to be more common among the Mohenjo-daro dice than the cubes. They are usually made of ivory, and many have markings that seem to be decorative in nature (apart from the circles/ pips that give numerical values). There are different types of stick dice:
E. Rogersdotter on pages 138f. wrote:
The tabular dice are listed according to five different sub-types. They are either square or triangular in section, and the distinction of types depends on numbers of sides with similar or different markings: Square in section; four sides all different; Square in section; three sides different; Square in section; two sides similarly marked; Triangular in section; three sides all different; Triangular in section; two sides alike; the third different.


3. Casting sticks (Rogersdotter 2011, p. 142-145)
Similar in appearance to the stick dice described above, these objects show the same markings on every side. Mackay calls them "casting bones" or "casting sticks" and describes them in his Gaming and Toys chapters both in 1931 and 1938.
They are listed here since in the photographs they are mostly indistinguishable from the stick dice. Also, it makes sense to take them into consideration when discussing these obviously very similar objects that we presume are dice. See also Rogersdotter 2011, pp. 145-152 for other objects similar to the casting sticks.

E. Rogersdotter on pages 143f. wrote:
The later report lists four main types: Square in section, Rectangular in section, Triangular in section, as well as Half round in section. The first type displays the same, incised markings on all four sides. The second type mostly has the same but sometimes different incisions on the wider sides, while the narrow sides either have the same pattern or are blank. This type is very common. While most objects of this group have a parallel-sided, regular form, variations of body and ends can be seen as well (such as convex-shaped examples, or specimens with different forms of ends). The third type has three sides of the same pattern (fig. 5.23.). This group is also noted as numerous. The specimens of this type sometimes have curious shapes, and sometimes they are of short length. The fourth type exhibits one pattern on the rounded side and another on the flat side. This type is rare.

The second and fourth type (which have sides distinguishable not by markings, but by shape) might conceivably have been used as dice. This is pure speculation, however. The use of these objects is not known, and so far there seems to be no plausible explanation available.





Tetrahedra - Nothing indicates these have been used as dice. Mackay speculates they may have served as gamesmen. (Mackay in Marshall 1931, p. 559, Mackay 1938, p. 572, Rogersdotter, pp. 130-132, also occasional mentions on pp. 50-56). See some tetrahedral objects in the images below (click to go to enlarged version).


Literature
The early findings are documented by the excavation reports by Marshall and Mackay. Unfortunately, there is no reliable way of dating the objects from these archaeological campaigns (Rogersdotter 2011, p. 25f.), and the objects themselves are distributed among many museums, and often are no longer accounted for or lost (ibd. p. 96f. and 108). Dales (1968) considers how the dice from the Indus valley have reached other cultures. Cortesi et al. (2008) and Jarrige et al. (2011) argue whether it is possible to align the relative chronologies from Iranian sites like Shahr-i Sokhta with those from the Indus valley, but this debate seems to be still open.
Rogersdotter (2011) attempts to analyse the information available about the gaming material from Mohenjo-daro, despite the shortcomings of the older reports (from the point of view of modern archaeology). Her thesis is available online (see references below), and provides a welcome summary.

Below are given a few further titles and weblinks, but I'm still trying to find my way around the literature. As mentioned elsewhere on this geeklist, none of this can claim to be exhaustive. It is simply a glimpse into my excursions into this territory.

Marshall, sir J. (ed.): 1931. Mohenjo-Daro and the Indus Civilization. London: Probsthain. (Vol.I, p. 39; Vol. II, ch. xxvii "Games and Toys" written by Mackay = pp. 549-561; pl. CXXXII: 22-45; pl. CLIII: esp. 7-10)
Mackay, 1938, Further Excavations at Mohenjo-Daro. New Delhi: Government of India. pp. 559-562. pl. CXXXVIII: 41, 48; pl. CXLIII: 18-54, and particularly 41, 47, 49, 51.
[The only parts of these reports that I've found to be available online don't deal with the gaming materials.
Hemmy in Mackay, on weights:
- http://rws.xoba.com/indus_weights/Hemmy_Hall-1943-weights-Ch...
- http://rws.xoba.com/indus_weights/Hemmy-1938-weights-Mohenjo...
- Marshall on weights: http://rws.xoba.com/indus_weights/Marshall-1931-Weights-Mohe... ]


Mackay, 1938, Chanhu-Daro Excavations 1935-1936. New Delhi: Government
of India.

VATS M.S.: 1940. Excavations at Harappa. New-Delhi: Government of India. - some artefacts in pl. CXIX.

G. Dales, Of Dice and Men, in Journal of the American Oriental Society 88 (1968), 14-22. Dales discusses the interactions of various cultures at the time, using among other things dice as evidence for contact.

Current research:

E. CORTESI, M. TOSI, A. LAZZARI AND M. VIDALE: Cultural Relationships beyond the Iranian Plateau: The Helmand Civilization, Baluchistan and the Indus Valley in the 3rd Millennium BCE.
In: Paléorient 2008 Volume 34 Numéro 34-2, pp. 5-35. (discussing dice on pp. 24-27)
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/paleo...
Jarrige, J.-F., Didier, A. & Quivron, G. (2011) Shahr-i Sokhta and the Chronology of the Indo-Iranian Borderlands. Paléorient 37 (2) : 7-34.
https://www.academia.edu/4602453/Jarrige_J.-F._Didier_A._and...
The article by Cortesi, Tois, Lazzari and Vidale proposes to link certain phases of Shahr-i Sokhta to phases of the cultures of the Indus valley, thus introducing a (partly) shared chronology. Jarrige, Didier and Quivron call this into question.

I have not yet found the time to dig deeper, as it were, for attempts at assigning the discussed objects an absolute dating (as opposed to the relative chronology used in those two papers).

Elke Rogersdotter: Gaming in Mohenjo-daro – an Archaeology of Unities. University of Gothenburg 2011 (doctoral thesis).
http://www.gu.se/english/research/publication/?publicationId...
http://www.fravahr.org/spip.php?breve1109 (news article about the thesis)
http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/02/15/6059847-games-... (news article about the thesis)


https://books.google.de/books?id=uRMGDmdE9FkC&pg=PA153&lpg=P...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/primaryhistory/indus_valley/gam...

http://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-indian-games-of-...


Quote:
Pottery, stone weights, and dice of Indus origin are all found in sites along the Arabian Gulf and in the Gulf of Oman (Dales 1968; Possehl 2002; Ratnagar 2001).

quoted from Monica L. Smith: The Substance and Symbolism of Long-distance Exchange (= chapter 8), in: Shinu Anna Abraham,Praveena Gullapalli,Teresa P Raczek,Uzma Z Rizvi (eds.): Connections and Complexity: New Approaches to the Archaeology of South Asia, 2013, p. 150 (references on p. 158f.)
https://books.google.de/books?hl=de&lr=&id=bRHjGtTUr3sC&oi=f...

http://jameelcentre.ashmolean.org/collection/4/6739/6741/all...
http://imgarcade.com/1/mohenjo-daro-dice/
http://induscivilizations.weebly.com/the-ancient-world.html

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Not part of the Indus Valley culture, but related/ in contact, is Altyn depe/ Altin Tepe in Turkmenistan (Masson and Sarianidi 1972), from where we have dice of Indus valley type, probably imported. They were found in "Namazga V" context, that is to say, Middle Bronze Age of that area, ca. 2000-1600 B.C.

V.M. Masson/ V.I. Sarianidi: Central Asia. Turkmenia before the Achaemenids. Translated and edited with a preface by Ruth Tringham. Thames and Hudson 1972, p. 115 (context of the hoards including the dice), p. 117 (figure of the objects from the hoard), p. 124 (comparing the objects to similar findings from Mohenjo-daro)



General info on the Altin Tepe: Enc. Iranica online

https://books.google.de/books?id=GW5Gx0HSXKUC&pg=PA166&lpg=P...

https://books.google.de/books?id=pmAuAsi4ePIC&pg=PA230&lpg=P...

https://books.google.de/books?id=3qvVBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA227&lpg=P...

https://books.google.de/books?id=1AJO2A-CbccC&pg=PA168&lpg=P...
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Jan Ostmann
Germany
München (Munich)
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Titel: Indus

Verlag: Queen Games

Version / Erscheinungsjahr: 2004

Sprachen: Deutsch

Zustand: sehr gut / rauch- und tierfreier Haushalt

Kostenloser Versand innerhalb Deutschlands
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
antonio martino
Italy
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gioco indus, edizione queen games

edizione: multilingua (forse tedesco), regolamento italiano stampato a colori in stampante laser allegato.

condizione: NUOVO!! solo defustellato, mai giocato.

scatola: perfetta!!!

dipendenza dalla lingua: nessuna, ognu sua parte è completamente priva di parole o testo. completamente indipendente

disponibile per lo scambio a mano nelle seguenti zone: pescara, fermo, roma.

spedizione: gratuita in italia
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Kris Harwood
United States
Sauk City
Wisconsin
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Opened, stickered, and punched but never played. Like new.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
antonio martino
Italy
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gioco indus, edizione queen games

edizione: multilingua (forse tedesco), regolamento italiano stampato a colori in stampante laser allegato.

condizione: NUOVO!! solo defustellato, mai giocato.

scatola: perfetta!!!

dipendenza dalla lingua: nessuna, ogni sua parte è completamente priva di parole o testo. completamente indipendente


Presente a tutta la gobcon, da venerdì primo pomeriggio a domenica sera
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Tomás Fabián González
France
Maisons-Alfort
Val-du-Marne
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Version: EN/DE Queen
Etat: Bon état (Joué une fois)
Langue: EN, DE mais jeu indépendant de la lange.

Envoi gratuit en France/Belgique/Luxembourg par Mondial Relay, delta pour le reste du monde.
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
antonio martino
Italy
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gioco indus, edizione queen games

edizione: multilingua (forse tedesco), regolamento italiano stampato a colori in stampante laser allegato.

condizione: NUOVO!! solo defustellato, mai giocato.

scatola: perfetta!!!

dipendenza dalla lingua: nessuna, ognu sua parte è completamente priva di parole o testo. completamente indipendente

disponibile per lo scambio a mano nelle seguenti zone: pescara, fermo, roma.

spedizione: gratuita in italia
 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Antonis Kalogerakis
Greece
Heraklion
Crete
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Edition: German edition.

Language Dependence: None.

Condition: Very good.

Shipping: Free to Europe.

 
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Board Game: Indus [Average Rating:5.61 Overall Rank:7665]
Jan Ostmann
Germany
München (Munich)
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Title: Indus

Publisher: Queen Games

Version / Year Published: 2004

Language(s): German (English and other rules available)

Condition: very good

Language dependency: No necessary in-game text

FREE shipping within the DHL Zone 1 (EU), 7 EUR for shipping to any other area, paid via paypal or Skrill. You have to cover the fees. If you don't have that option, please add 5%.
 
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