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Krzysztof Zięba
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Introducing the Sins (catchy name for a girls band)!
Upper row, left to right: Miss Greed, Miss Wrath, Miss Vanity, Miss Lust.
Lower row, left to right: Miss Envy, Miss Gluttony, Miss Sloth, card back.
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Nice artwork, but imo the they sometimes don't really express the given sin. For example for gluttony a fat man would have worked better.
Mark Chaplin
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Gluttony is hot!
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tech7 wrote:
Nice artwork, but imo the they sometimes don't really express the given sin. For example for gluttony a fat man would have worked better.


Sins should be tempting. These appear tempting. The gluttonay card should start as this and once you grab it, it then turns into a fat man.
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RiffRaff14 wrote:
tech7 wrote:
Nice artwork, but imo the they sometimes don't really express the given sin. For example for gluttony a fat man would have worked better.


Sins should be tempting. These appear tempting. The gluttonay card should start as this and once you grab it, it then turns into a fat man.


Good idea! Anyway, a fat slob on a card would have an immense effect on the meta-game. People would use this card only to get rid of it and introduce some nice looking ladies there...
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Envy was the only one where i wouldn't have been able to guess without all the others there.
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truekid wrote:
Envy was the only one where i wouldn't have been able to guess without all the others there.


Dude, what about Lust? It doesn't get any more obvious than that :D
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Lord_Kristof wrote:
Dude, what about Lust? It doesn't get any more obvious than that :D


Well I had narrowed it down to either being 'Lust' or 'Laying an Egg'

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The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.
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Is it me, or is Miss Gluttony really Holly Marie Combs? (with all due respect to HMC, of course)
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tech7 wrote:
Nice artwork, but imo the they sometimes don't really express the given sin. For example for gluttony a fat man would have worked better.


You can have the fat man. I'd much prefer looking at the girl!
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Curtis Anderson wrote:
The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.


My first reaction, and I'm being honest here...was that feminists were
not going to like the fact that all the sins were represented by
(you guessed it) women! The source of all evil, doncha' know?

I'm also gonna agree that you can't have someone who looks like they go to the gym everyday representing gluttony. It doesn't have to be a
"fat man" to make me happy...I'd rather it wasn't! But if its to be the female embodiment of that particular vice, then she should at least be "full figured". Note that this would not exclude the possibility of her still being attractive...
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Gluttony is there to tempt you with her fine array of pies n pastries!
You never see XXXL acne ridden bloaters wearing sweat pants in McDonalds or Pizza Hut ads right? Same applies! :laugh:
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i can't tell which one is lust.
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lonnie913 wrote:
i can't tell which one is lust.


Hmm, I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not...
But if not, see the cards in full resolution :P
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I really like these!
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Hmmm, I disagree with most people's opinion on this one. I think the concept you're going for here is represented & presented very well. The idea being that every sin is very...."tempting" or at least should be presented as such. I think the theme here accomplishes this very well, & I for one can't wait to get a better look at this game!
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The source images of the girls look like Met-Art (a soft-core porn site) images. I'm pretty sure I have the exact photo used for the Sloth girl here. I'll have to check when I get home.


EDIT: Ok, I think it's this same woman from Met-Art. This isn't the exact same photo, but I think it's from the same photo shoot. She's even wearing the same necklace. Here's one of her images (edited for appropiateness on BGG, of course):



Be careful if you're using Met-Art's images without permission. I don't give two craps about copyright law, but they're pretty aggressive about going after folks, so watch your back.
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I get all of them except for Envy. Why does having a snake (which I assume is venomous) mean someone is Envious? Are they like bitter to someone else and it shows in the snake or what? I'm still having trouble figuring that one out with the picture...
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Stexe wrote:
I get all of them except for Envy. Why does having a snake (which I assume is venomous) mean someone is Envious? Are they like bitter to someone else and it shows in the snake or what? I'm still having trouble figuring that one out with the picture...


I'm not sure but maybe it has to do with the concept of penis envy. I know its a stretch but I can't think of anything else that might represent.

BTW the images are all great IMO. I especially like the girl laying the egg.
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The source images of the girls look like Met-Art (a soft-core porn site) images. I'm pretty sure I have the exact photo used for the Sloth girl here. I'll have to check when I get home.


I'm not sure whether MasterMind or America's Got Talent is the more appropriate, but your knowledge of soft-core porn deserves some form of recognition!

I salute you! :laugh:

ps. The dwarf character looks vaguely familiar too, will have to check my back issues of... ummm... no no, just ignore me... :whistle:
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Stexe wrote:
I get all of them except for Envy. Why does having a snake (which I assume is venomous) mean someone is Envious? Are they like bitter to someone else and it shows in the snake or what? I'm still having trouble figuring that one out with the picture...


Green is the traditional colour of Envy. Snakes can be green. Venom is connected to the colour, as is anything toxic.
I'm not sure, but I'd look for these connotations here.

Also, not sure about the issues with similar pictures, will have to ask the artist about that. I think it may be a rather "strong inspiration", rather than outright copyright infrigment. But again - not sure, I'm somewhat disconnected from the process of creating art for our games.
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Curtis Anderson wrote:
The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.

Absolutely. Disappointing really is the right word. Why can't we get, say, some really inviting food on the gluttonry card? Or blood and violence on the wrath card? What's with all the cards being lust?
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Rad80 wrote:
Curtis Anderson wrote:
The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.

Absolutely. Disappointing really is the right word. Why can't we get, say, some really inviting food on the gluttonry card? Or blood and violence on the wrath card? What's with all the cards being lust?


I agree. I’ve heard of ‘lust for power’ but ‘lust for lust’ sounds like a contradiction. :(
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RiffRaff14 wrote:
tech7 wrote:
Nice artwork, but imo the they sometimes don't really express the given sin. For example for gluttony a fat man would have worked better.


Sins should be tempting. These appear tempting. The gluttonay card should start as this and once you grab it, it then turns into a fat man.


Good point of view.


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Stexe wrote:
I get all of them except for Envy. Why does having a snake (which I assume is venomous) mean someone is Envious? Are they like bitter to someone else and it shows in the snake or what? I'm still having trouble figuring that one out with the picture...


Sins, snakes, women ... don't think the reference is too hard to get ...

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Eve tricked by the serpent, envies God ... wants to be like God, knowing good from evil.
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I feel tingly...
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Curtis Anderson wrote:
The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.
Disappointing indeed. :shake: The blatant misogyny is enough to ensure I never purchase this game.
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Elfbane wrote:
Curtis Anderson wrote:
The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.
Disappointing indeed. :shake: The blatant misogyny is enough to ensure I never purchase this game.


Strange. Small World is in your top 10.
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Elfbane wrote:
Curtis Anderson wrote:
The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.
Disappointing indeed. :shake: The blatant misogyny is enough to ensure I never purchase this game.

OMG I'm getting old. I was thinking the same thing.

My primary gaming group consists of my wife and another couple. Something tells me the half naked females in this game would deter my wife and my friend's wife from ever playing this game. Too bad, as the game itself sounds fun.
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I am very disappointed that no female geeks have decided to boycott this game over the stereotypical portrayal of male characters as muscle-bound beefcake!

With all these 'modern men' being offended on your behalves re: scantily clad and curvy lasses, I feel its your duty to stand up to the pressure that games such as this place on male geeks who don't have six-packs or bulging biceps... :shake:
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mvettemagred wrote:
Elfbane wrote:
Curtis Anderson wrote:
The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.
Disappointing indeed. :shake: The blatant misogyny is enough to ensure I never purchase this game.

OMG I'm getting old. I was thinking the same thing.

My primary gaming group consists of my wife and another couple. Something tells me the half naked females in this game would deter my wife and my friend's wife from ever playing this game. Too bad, as the game itself sounds fun.


Wow. Your wife is of a unique breed. My girlfriend is stoked about this game. But to each there own I guess.
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Don't get me wrong. My wife plays most of my games with me, and some of them have a few tasteful depictions of buxom women (e.g. Kingsburg). She just laughs at how every woman in every card/boardgame has to have big breasts. However, these pictures for 7 take it a bit too far. This game takes blatent sexual marketing to a new level. It's clearly aimed at teenage boys, and for that segment it squarely hits the mark. I just think the sultry lingerie models in sexy poses aren't needed in a card/boardgame, unless you're playing strip poker. :)
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mvettemagred wrote:
This game takes blatent sexual marketing to a new level. It's clearly aimed at teenage boys, and for that segment it squarely hits the mark. I just think the sultry lingerie models in sexy poses aren't needed in a card/boardgame, unless you're playing strip poker. :)

Bless you sir, but I think you'll find most teenaged boys have access to a wealth of free porn on the internet, and as such the mild titilation (at best) that these images provide will be well and truly overlooked by all but the most sheltered...

The thing that still amazes me is this:

If none of the guys on here (the majority of which probably have bellies like kegs rather than six-packs) are offended by the stereotypical muscle bound male characters, why do they think that the lasses will be by the curvacious female characters?

Are some people really this fragile? That they fear being compared to a cheesey fantasy painting?! lol :laugh:
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mvettemagred wrote:
This game takes blatent sexual marketing to a new level. It's clearly aimed at teenage boys, and for that segment it squarely hits the mark.


I guess this is a subject of fundamental beliefs of which I don’t think there are any right answers. And perhaps is this the wrong forum for this discussion but I totally agree with you.

It is not as much the picture itself but the subtle meaning behind it that troubles (some) people. This idea of weak, sexy and willing girls has been sold, or used to sell other products, and signals something totally different than a male ad for boxers.

Glad to see someone else that enjoys gaming with their spouse btw. :)
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MidKentGamerUK wrote:
I am very disappointed that no female geeks have decided to boycott this game over the stereotypical portrayal of male characters as muscle-bound beefcake!

With all these 'modern men' being offended on your behalves re: scantily clad and curvy lasses, I feel its your duty to stand up to the pressure that games such as this place on male geeks who don't have six-packs or bulging biceps... :shake:

My issue has nothing to do with the depiction of sexy, scantily clad, curvaceous women, I have no problem with that if it is appropriate, fits the theme, etc. The issue I have is with identifying only women/the female with sin, which strikes me as a tad misogynistic. All of the cards representing the 7 sins depict women. The implication here is that women are the source of moral failure. Keeping some of those pictures for appropriate sins (e.g. vanity, if that is one) would be fine if interspersed with male (beefcake or otherwise) representations of the 7 sins.
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Elfbane wrote:
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The sins all have to do with female sexuality? That's disappointing.
Disappointing indeed. :shake: The blatant misogyny is enough to ensure I never purchase this game.


Strange. Small World is in your top 10.
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Elfbane wrote:
Keeping some of those pictures for appropriate sins (e.g. vanity, if that is one) would be fine if interspersed with male (beefcake or otherwise) representations of the 7 sins.

Well you never know your luck, they might release a limited 'Tom of Finland' edition for you and others who'd prefer to see male Lust cards?
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Having appeased one group of offended parties, we now sit back and wait for the outraged cat-lovers... :shake:
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Elfbane wrote:
MidKentGamerUK wrote:
I am very disappointed that no female geeks have decided to boycott this game over the stereotypical portrayal of male characters as muscle-bound beefcake!

With all these 'modern men' being offended on your behalves re: scantily clad and curvy lasses, I feel its your duty to stand up to the pressure that games such as this place on male geeks who don't have six-packs or bulging biceps... :shake:

My issue has nothing to do with the depiction of sexy, scantily clad, curvaceous women, I have no problem with that if it is appropriate, fits the theme, etc. The issue I have is with identifying only women/the female with sin, which strikes me as a tad misogynistic. All of the cards representing the 7 sins depict women. The implication here is that women are the source of moral failure. Keeping some of those pictures for appropriate sins (e.g. vanity, if that is one) would be fine if interspersed with male (beefcake or otherwise) representations of the 7 sins.


I suppose you certainly could glean that from the cards if you take a very "moralistic" & analytical approach to it; & if you wish to take such a critical look at all mediums of entertainment, that is certainly your prerogative.

I, however, see no need to judge a board game that caters to the typical stereotype of its target market (undoubtedly men in their mid-40s & not teenagers I'm afraid) this deeply because, after all, its just a board game. I'm sure if you were to turn on a television & watch more than 10 minutes of any major broadcast network you would very likely be disgusted.

As for the Small World comment, I was simply referring to the blatant misogynistic representation of women via The Amazons. Lord knows that started quite a flame war on these very message boards.

EDIT: For terrible grammar (as if often the case with me).:p
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