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Matthew M Monin
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You're left with too many, Sebastian. Sure you did it right?

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You're left with too many, Sebastian. Sure you did it right?

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Thanks. I'm just going to stick to doing these in the mornings from now on...

 
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I am left with brainy... but it doesn't work...
 
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I am left with brainy... but it doesn't work...


DOH, I guess I was using the wrong language.
 
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I am left with brainy... but it doesn't work...


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As the puzzle states...Don't overthink....Knowledge leads to the wrong salt.
 
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Really? Can't we finally get past puzzles that

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use undirected anagrams. ESPECIALLY when there is more than one possibility!


I sure hope so. Cryptic instructions that actually tell you how to solve the puzzle once you figure them out are what make a puzzle interesting.

What's so fun about puzzles that require brute forcing different solution methods until randomly stumbling on the correct one?

Especially when there are false instructions (this wasn't a visual puzzle at all).
 
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DJ Kuul A wrote:
Tinhorn wrote:
Really? Can't we finally get past puzzles that

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use undirected anagrams. ESPECIALLY when there is more than one possibility!


I sure hope so. Cryptic instructions that actually tell you how to solve the puzzle once you figure them out are what make a puzzle interesting.

What's so fun about puzzles that require brute forcing different solution methods until randomly stumbling on the correct one?

Especially when there are false instructions (this wasn't a visual puzzle at all).


This puzzle did not require brute forcing different solution methods, if the solver had the "aha!" moment early. There was an abundance of clues in the puzzle, which is why many members were able to solve it so fast. Like many Tanga puzzles, there are hidden messages in the text. Thus the words should not all be taken literally. Maybe, some solvers found a clue in the inaccurate reference to "Visual Puzzle" especially when "Zest" and "X-rated" were used in the same sentence.

The last 2 sentences were clues to which was the correct anagram, and which was not. So, I wouldn't really call that an "undirected" anagram.

I just want to give my compliments to the puzzle creator.
 
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The last 2 sentences were clues to which was the correct anagram, and which was not. So, I wouldn't really call that an "undirected" anagram.

An undirected anagram is one where you get a bunch of letters and you need to determine an ordering. The anagram was undirected, even though arguably the last line hinted away from a particular anagram. Indeed, there were other possible anagrams as well, since anagrams are not limited to single words, and often the result of taking a letter index is a phrase that leads to the solution. The last line did not hint away from such other phrases. (If the next point is that the anagram could be guessed from the context of the puzzle -- well, the solution could be guessed from the context of the puzzle even without doing any solving.) And since letters in the puzzle were used more than once, how were we to know (as opposed to take an educated guess) that *we* could not use letters more than once? Moreover, to me, at least, the last line led to the *wrong* choice initially. Of the two one-word possibilities (excluding a surname that gets 97,000 hits on Google), one is a noun and one is a noun or an adjective. The fact that "knowledge" is a noun led me to try the wrong one first -- it seemed as though "computer knowledge" had been flagged as *incorrect*. Sure, it's not a big issue when you are allowed to try multiple answers to find out which is correct, as in the Tanga format, but something feels a bit lacking if the puzzle does not have a unique, "this has to be it," answer that you are sure of before typing it in.

The fact that some solvers solved quickly does not address the undirected anagram issue -- if a puzzle dropped out the letters SSSIIMIPISP in that order, it's easy to see they transpose to MISSISSIPPI, but to some of us (I readily concede not to all of us), a puzzle that gives you a bunch of letters and requires an anagram at the end "for no reason" just doesn't feel as satisfying. That doesn't make it a bad puzzle, but to some people (myself included) it lacks a certain elegance. (I also resisted for about 5 minutes doing what was supposed to be done, because I saw that it would give a bunch of letters but no mechanism for ordering them, and I thought -- "Nah, the puzzle-maker wouldn't do something like THAT.")

Your mileage, of course, may vary.
 
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Wow! Now, I know the technical definition of "undirected anagram." I didn't know there was one. I should have googled it first, hehe. Obviously, my mileage is a lot less than yours. Thanks, Dave.
 
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cyncat wrote:
This puzzle did not require brute forcing different solution methods, if the solver had the "aha!" moment early.


Guessing which number you're thinking of doesn't require trying different guesses, if I happen to guess it right off the bat.

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There was an abundance of clues in the puzzle, which is why many members were able to solve it so fast. Like many Tanga puzzles, there are hidden messages in the text.


What clues (as to the solution method) were in the puzzle, aside from the one that hinted which of the two answers in the final step to use?
 
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Why can't I see anything when I mouseover?
 
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Why can't I see anything when I mouseover?

Hmmm...
What browser are you using?
 
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If you can't see when you simply mouseover, then you may have to click and drag across the line.
 
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DJ Kuul A wrote:
cyncat wrote:
This puzzle did not require brute forcing different solution methods, if the solver had the "aha!" moment early.


Guessing which number you're thinking of doesn't require trying different guesses, if I happen to guess it right off the bat.

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There was an abundance of clues in the puzzle, which is why many members were able to solve it so fast. Like many Tanga puzzles, there are hidden messages in the text.


What clues (as to the solution method) were in the puzzle, aside from the one that hinted which of the two answers in the final step to use?


It is true that in this case, from start to finish, there were always guesses involved when determining which next step to take.
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For example, after noticing that all the words started with capital letters, and that almost all the capital letters were represented in the text, and after being reminded of "The quick brown fox ..." by the word "Quick" (accidental clue?), I had to guess that the solution is in the letters of the alphabet, used exactly once. After that, I had to guess that the best path to take is to look at the 6 missing letters, rather than the 20 that were present. When it was time to anagram, I used the word "two" to make my "best" guess.

If the puzzle had been different, such that the 20 letters actually spelled out instructions for what exactly to do next, (so that answer is hence determined without any guesses), that might have been more fun for other solvers.

I think for most of these puzzles, there is some guessing involved, whether it stops after the first step (figuring out the cryptic message that tells us what to do next) or it stays till the end. If the method were clear from the start, then it would be more like question in a midterm exam, and less like a riddle.

Aaron, to answer your question, there was no clue that specifically pointed at the solution method. Not one. Whatever clues we all got from the image and the text, were just abstract hints which, when mixed with some Tanga skills and luck, led us to the answer.

Like I wrote in my message to Dave above, I'm relatively new here. "Brute force" must have a technical definition, but I'm too lazy to google it now. I'll take your word for it.

Sorry if I had ruffled feathers. I didn't mean to. I just wanted to express my approval of last night's puzzle. Thanks.
 
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My first thought is

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Directions - Up, Down, Left, Right
But I can't seem to find where to start
 
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yep, I tried a number of up/down/left/right methods to no avail.


notice there are two 4s and two 6s - I don't know if it means anything... yet.
 
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But why are the ups and down on the first two lines, and the rights and lefts on the last two?
 
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Clearly that's a wrap in the picture and the background is a spiral. Rotating or wrapping seems to be significant... but how?
 
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This brings back memories of the "traded" puzzle but there's no grey square this time lol.
 
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I am getting
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CLEO

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but then my algorithm seems to fall apart
 
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I'm moving the numbered columns up and down, then the numbered rows right and left. It's mostly a jumble, but I'm seeing the words "THE" and "SIXTH" spelled out. I hope I'm on the right track.
 
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The type of sandwich is an important clue. U, D, L, and R meant what you think they mean. Notice there is no marked starting point.
 
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I'm moving the numbered columns up and down, then the numbered rows right and left. It's mostly a jumble, but I'm seeing the words "THE" and "SIXTH" spelled out. I hope I'm on the right track.


You are on the right track!
 
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Use the U/D/L/R directions in the order they are given.

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It's like a Rubik's cube--the directions tell you which row/column to move and how many times. This will give you a massage, er, a message....
 
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