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Ava Jarvis
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This is a thread for Iron Gamers to comment and discuss their thoughts on possible purchases, personal progress, the effect of Iron Gamer on the outlook on life, questions about rules, and other Iron Gamer related stuff.

I don't expect that many posts in the thread, and will provide links to specific messages that the first of each month according to BGG time.

Jonathan (grandslam) has noted that this is like a meta-game and support group all in one. I think this is a very true assessment. :)

Scores for the End Of January

Official participants:

Ava Jarvis [BilboAtBagEnd]: 2 points
Hilary Hartman [puck4604]: 1 points
Robin Hartman [Helenoftroy]: 1 points
Christopher Onstad [xofour]: 3 points
Jonathan Franklin [grandslam]: 0 points
Antonio Chavez [Mr.Baggins]: -1 points
Gary Webster [gary_webster]: 0 points (no reports yet)

Unofficial participants

Michael Weber [mixo]: -2 points (Unofficial)

Links

Month links:

- January: this post! ;)
- February: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1318928#1318928

More Iron Gamer links:

Iron Gamer rules (last updated 1/20): http://bagginsunderthehill.blogspot.com/2007/01/iron-gamer-r...

Iron Gamer Points Calculator (current version 1.0):
http://bagginsunderthehill.net/ig_calc.html

Iron Gamer Sign-up List: http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/18781
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I just thought of another rules clarification question. How does the playing of a game within 3 months work? Does playing have to be with other people? Or by the rules, or by the box? I ask because of Runebound. (which I am going to get expansions for this year I am certain.) The box says 2-6 players. But the rulebook makes mention throughout of 1 player games. And yet, if we are too be Iron Gamers, we should play with other people, after all that is the point of games isn't it? Anyway, just curious as to if there was an official ruling on this point, and I didn't see it in the FAQ.
Ava Jarvis
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xofour wrote:
I just thought of another rules clarification question. How does the playing of a game within 3 months work? Does playing have to be with other people?


Not necessarily. If a game can be played single-player because, well, it can, without doing funky things like playing as a second player or bluffing as a second player or entirely changing the goal of the game, then I count that as a game played.

Many wargames, in fact, have solitaire rules, and Heroscape even has a solitaire variant developed unofficially, but which still preserves the spirit of the game. Most, if not all, adventure games can also be played solitaire, and sometimes they are even best played solitaire (I think Return of the Heroes and its associated expansions/stand-alones are like this). And games that live and die on puzzles are also playable solitaire---Ubongo and Take it Easy/Take it to the Limit are a couple exmaples.

There exist solitaire versions of Carcassonne, in fact, but I tend not to count them since a major element does not exist in them---scoring via meeples, and turns it into a mere connection puzzle game.

If you buy a game and and still play it online, I also count that as having played the game. 'Cause you have, and now you are cementing a relationship with it. ;) Plus sometimes turn by turn games are best recorded on an actual physical copy, like T&E or Reef Encounter, even turn by turn Go, if you have a spare table and no cats or other limber pets. And if you play with other people's copies, that still counts as a play even if you bought the game.

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And yet, if we are too be Iron Gamers, we should play with other people, after all that is the point of games isn't it?


Definitely the point of many games. Although many people also take the point of games as a chance to study particular problems they enjoy, similar to the atmosphere of Go or Chess, except it's Puerto Rico or Dungeon Twister or even BattleLore, but even that has a play-another-person element.

I will add the ruling to the FAQ sometime later in the week. Also I will add Jon's additional negative points, which is that every three months that a game remains unplayed, you get -1 point. You don't get negative points though after your first play of the game; so I could neglect to play Midgard until April, and I would only get one negative points.

Playing at conventions or mini-conventions is a great way to rack up plays. :) Too bad BGG.con happens so late in the year, but it means you need to think even harder about your purchases.

Expansions bought must of course be played/combined with the parent game at some point.

I personally have a tendency to buy "I just should buy it" games, such as Shogun and Age of Steam plus various expansions, even though realistically speaking I'm probably not going to get it to the table for a couple years, and a good chance of "never at all"! Bad, bad Bilbo.

I even bought Medici vs. Strozzi even though I didn't like it at BGG.con and nobody I know likes even the sound of it here. That was just sad....
Hilary Hartman
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How do role-playing games fit into our Iron Gamer contest? Should they? Do the same rules apply?

Thanks!
Ava Jarvis
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puck4604 wrote:
How do role-playing games fit into our Iron Gamer contest? Should they? Do the same rules apply?


For consistency's sake I'm going to just focus on what BGG thinks of as "Board Games", even though I know there is a bit of fuzzy overlap at the border between BGG adventure-style games and RPGs. I tend to regard many RPG elements as being books---something that is rare to find in any game, at least at that level of detail.

Thus, RPGs do not count.

Will update the FAQ to this effect.

Thanks for the feedback! :)
Ava Jarvis
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FAQ has been updated.
Hilary Hartman
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Temptation is all around me!

Yesterday Robin and I visited our FLGS. The money in my wallet was scorching my butt! I touched and caressed a variety of Eurogames, wargames, and miniatures. I couldn't help myself.

However, in the end Robin bought Puerto Rico (which she had been wanting) and I bought a RPG supplement.

I have ordered one game which should arrive any day now: the old Metagame Warp War. And a game I preordered last year will be arriving in the next week or so.

This morning I found myself "window shopping" Boards & Bits...no purchases, mind you, but I found my mouse trigger finger itching over the "place order" button...but the Iron Gamer in me cried out at the last moment and I relented.

This is going to be much harder than I thought, but--to quote an old disco song--"I will survive."
Robin
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I actually didn't realize that Puerto Rico was my purchase since we both already mentioned that we should get it now that we have other people to game with. But that would explain why we didn't get anything else and Hilary would only reply, "if you want it" when I picked up Puerto Rico. So, I think he did very well.

I did well too! I almost got Puerto Rico AND Midgard but maybe next month. So, I guess I have joined Iron Gamer too. I like this idea to limit purchase to allow time to play the games.
Hilary Hartman
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Welcome aboard, luv.

And about Puerto Rico...umm...err...

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James Ludlow
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Am I not seeing it, or do the rules make no mention of gaining points for playing games?
Ava Jarvis
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jdludlow wrote:
Am I not seeing it, or do the rules make no mention of gaining points for playing games?


Hello James, welcome abord!

No points are gained for playing games, but points are lost for NOT playing your new purchases.

So if you are like me, and leap on every CCG you can buy but don't have an actual audience to handle (for instance, some Japanese CCGs have been catching my eye for no good reason, and not having Japanese-reading friends/players makes it even worse) you will score a negative point for every three months that go by without a play.

They are forgiving in that once you've played a game, you don't need to play it again this year and will not get further negative points.

All in all, there are more ways to lose points than get them, but you can get points for not buying a game or expansion in a particular month, which can let you "spend" them on later months/risks/antics. :)