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Tim Royal
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So I picked this up last night, and thumbed through the new cards. I like that they've got more pizzazz (i.e. they're stronger and tend to mess with opponents in a greater way).

One question is that the instructions suggested removing original cards and replacing them with new cards in order to maintain the ratio between ware cards and other cards.

Any suggestions or official recommendations on which of the original cards to remove? It's kind of unfortunate, actually, as we'd like to play with all the cards. I'd almost want to pick up another copy of Jambo or at least get some more ware cards, rather than remove original cards.

Tim Harrison
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Hmmm.... That's disappointing. It would have been nice if extra ware cards were included in the expansion to balance the ratio. I guess I may have to buy another copy of Jambo too.
Rüdiger Dorn
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hello,

here is my answer from the spielbox-forum. please excuse, that i can´t added new warecards in the expansion. it was a question of money and a question of rare capacity (only 55 cards on one print sheet).
i hope you can translate the german names.

folgenden karten aus dem grundspiel habe ich aussortiert:
je 1x
löwe
pavian
elefant
schlange
kleiner markt
krokodil
hyäne
maske der umwandlung
sudkessel
häuptlingsstuhl
trommeln
brunnen
waage
boot
leopardenstatue
träger
portugiese
gepard

je 2x

fahrender händler
arabischer kaufmann
regenmacher

folgende karten aus der erweiterung habe ich nicht in das neue deck übernommen:
1x maler
1x kristallstab
1x füllhorn
1x hirtin
1x chameleon
1x fennek
1x mangbetu-krieger



best regards
rüdiger
John Earles
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Roughly translated:

I remove the following cards from the basic deck:

1 of:

Lion
Ape
Elephant
Snake
Small market
Crocodile
Hyena
Mask of Transformation
Kettle
Throne
Drums
Well
Scale
Boat
Leopard statue
Carrier
Portuguese
Cheetah

2 of:

Traveling merchant
Arabian merchant
Rainmaker

The following cards from the expansion are NOT included in the newly formed deck:

1x Artist
1x Crystal staff
1x Horn of plenty
1x Shepherd
1x Chamaeleon
1x Fennec
1x Mangbetu warrior

Edit: Corrected sentence to state the expansion cards are NOT included
Edit: Corrected mistranslation which added an extra item; removed 'Tribal Elder' from the list.
Last edited on 2007-08-09 06:05:27 CST (Total Number of Edits: 4)
Tim Royal
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BIG thanks to both of you for your information (and translation). At least this gives me a guideline to start with.


John Earles
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Please report back as to how this suggested "swapping" works out... I should be picking up my copy tomorrow!
Tim Royal
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I will do that. We plan to play several games to night. We've been waiting for this expansion for weeks! :)

My wife has suggested we contact the publisher and see if they have any spare ware cards (or a second deck) without having to re-buy Jambo, so we could use all the new expansion cards while keeping the ratio of wares/other cards intact.

We did that for another game a few months ago, and the publisher was fantastic and sent a second deck for a very reasonable cost. Never hurts to ask.

That's one thing about the Killer Bunnies game we play. Their expansions always include additional core cards from the game to maintain the balance. Not that KB is actually balanced in any tangible way, but... :)

Last edited on 2007-07-26 20:29:21 CST (Total Number of Edits: 2)
Rüdiger Dorn
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hello john,

thanks for the translation:

please note!

I add the following cards from the extension into the newly formed deck:

that´s not right,
Following cards (of the expansion) are NOT in the new deck!!!

1x Painter
1x Crystal staff
1x Cornucopia
1x Herdswoman
1x Chameleon
1x Fennek
1x Mangbetu warrior

regards
rüdiger
John Earles
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Hi Rüdiger,

My apologies for the mistranslation. I did my best running it through a few on-line translators and dictionaries.

As I am still awaiting my copy to arrive, could someone help me understand the process.

We are aiming to create a "balanced" deck by merging part of the original deck with part of the expansion?

From a "standard" Jambo deck you remove the cards highlighted above
- 1x Lion ... Cheetah
- 2x Traveling merchant, Arabian merchant, Rainmaker

From the New Beginnings "module" you remove the cards highlighted above
- 1x Painter ... Mangbetu warrior

These two decks get mixed together. Is this correct?

- John
Last edited on 2007-07-27 12:28:47 CST (Total Number of Edits: 2)
Rüdiger Dorn
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hello john.

We are aiming to create a "balanced" deck by merging part of the original deck with part of the expansion?

From a "standard" Jambo deck you remove the cards highlighted above
- 1x Lion ... Cheetah
- 2x Traveling merchant, Arabian merchant, Rainmaker

From the New Beginnings "module" you remove the cards highlighted above
- 1x Painter ... Mangbetu warrior

These two decks get mixed together. Is this correct?

hmm, what do you mean with these two decks?

you don´t need the removed cards and put these cards back to the box.
with ALL OTHER cards (of course without the huts and relict cards)you build the deck you´re playing with ....ok?

rüdiger

- John
John Earles
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>> hmm, what do you mean with these two decks?

Sorry for not being explicit. The two decks I was meaning were those cards remaining in the original deck and the New Beginnings deck after removing the cards noted above (safely stored in the box :) ).

Thanks, Rüdiger, for your prompt replies... I think were are "speaking the same language" now. :meeple:
John Earles
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A further note to those following along at home:

Rüdiger's recommendation will remove 24 cards from the base deck, and will add in 33 from the expansion - a delta of nine cards. Of these nine, four are Spirit of the Ancestors (which you could almost consider to be "core" cards; that should always be included).

I picked of my copy last evening so I look forward to seeing what kind of a difference these new cards make to our gameplay.
Last edited on 2007-08-09 06:06:18 CST (Total Number of Edits: 1)
Tim Royal
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whew! i totally misread the original post, and so I have a frankendeck of cards that I used for the first play. :)

I will revisit the deck and arrange it with my new understanding of the guidelines.

We did enjoy the new cards in our first game. there was much more of a "take that!" feel to the game that increased the interaction and the tension (more cards that can foil your opponent, and vice versa).

More later.
Tim Royal
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