Scott Alden
United States
Dallas
Texas
Aldie's Full of Love!
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Congratulations to all the Finalists! Winners will be announced on 11/17 at BoardGameGeek.CON in Dallas, TX.
Also, we're doing an overall Game of the Year from these finalists. Voting for the Golden Geek Game of the Year will close on Midnight November 11th, 2007.
Vote here!
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geekawards.php
The Finalists are... (listed in alphabetical order)
Gamer's Game
Glenn Drover's Empires: The Age of Discovery
Imperial
Shogun
2 Player
BattleLore
Commands & Colors: Ancients
Mr. Jack
Card
Caylus Magna Carta
Great Wall of China
Iliad
Children's Game
Heroscape Marvel: The Conflict Begins
Qwirkle
Zooloretto
Party Game
Ca$h 'n Gun$
Santy Anno
Wits & Wagers
Wargame
Combat Commander: Europe
Commands & Colors: Ancients
Here I Stand
Family
Thebes
Yspahan
Zooloretto
Artwork/Presentation
BattleLore
Cleopatra and the Society of Architects
The Pillars of the Earth
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Chapel
United States
Round Rock
Texas
Only for the love of the game...
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//Not surprised. But gave it the old college try. 
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Accipe gaudium ex vestri victorias. Accipe lectiones ex vestri damnis.
United States
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Maryland
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So one of the finalists for kid's game is an expansion, in a year when there were some truly remarkable games were released. How did that happen?
Sag.
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Scott Alden
United States
Dallas
Texas
Aldie's Full of Love!
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Sagrilarus wrote: So one of the finalists for kid's game is an expansion, in a year when there were some truly remarkable games were released. How did that happen?
Sag.
If you are referring to Marvel Heroscape - it's a stand alone game.
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Randy Cox
United States
Clemson
South Carolina
1024x768 works just fine - Don't Wide the Site!
The Back Alley gets no respect.
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So, are any of the "kids games" actually specifically for children--ie, they have an age range that ends? To me, a kids game would say something like "Ages 4-8" or "Ages 6-12", not "Ages 12-adult" or "Ages 6 and up" or "Ages 9-99".
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Accipe gaudium ex vestri victorias. Accipe lectiones ex vestri damnis.
United States
38.978164N 76.486881W
Maryland
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Aldie wrote: Sagrilarus wrote: So one of the finalists for kid's game is an expansion, in a year when there were some truly remarkable games were released. How did that happen?
Sag.
If you are referring to Marvel Heroscape - it's a stand alone game.
It's a pretty thin distinction.
There were some great games available for the under-8 set this year, and it appears that the nature of the award doesn't give them the opportunity to compete. I suppose I was expecting too much.
Sag.
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Jim Cote
United States
Maine
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D: None of the above.
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Jon Theys
United States
Oklahoma City
Oklahoma
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Sagrilarus wrote: Aldie wrote: Sagrilarus wrote: So one of the finalists for kid's game is an expansion, in a year when there were some truly remarkable games were released. How did that happen?
Sag.
If you are referring to Marvel Heroscape - it's a stand alone game. It's a pretty thin distinction. There were some great games available for the under-8 set this year, and it appears that the nature of the award doesn't give them the opportunity to compete. I suppose I was expecting too much. Sag.
Actually, Marvel Heroscape is a true stand-alone game. It is complete in the box, with rules, all the components needed to play, etc. It is a re-implementation of an existing system, but so are (to varying degrees) Shogun, C&C:A, BattleLore, Caylus Magna Carta, Zooloretto, and Here I Stand.
It's true there were some great kid's games that came out this past year. However, the "kid's game" fans on this site are definitely the minority. It's no big deal, just the demographics of the BGG user group.
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Gabe Alvaro
United States
Berkeley
California
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AnakinOU wrote: It's true there were some great kid's games that came out this past year. However, the "kid's game" fans on this site are definitely the minority. It's no big deal, just the demographics of the BGG user group.
Exactly. I would hope that the winner of the best children's games here on BGG are games that I would want to play (with or without children), and not necessarily the games that are best for the children.
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Mark Zielinski
United States
Ohio
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Quote: Artwork/Presentation
BattleLore
Cleopatra and the Society of Architects
Pillars of the Earth
Congrats to DoW for having two finalists in artwork/presentation.
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If Actions Speak Louder Than Words, Then Actions x2 Speak Louder Than Actions
United States
Hutto
Texas
Chit Chat Hamstring!!!
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Aldie wrote: Sagrilarus wrote: So one of the finalists for kid's game is an expansion, in a year when there were some truly remarkable games were released. How did that happen?
Sag.
If you are referring to Marvel Heroscape - it's a stand alone game.
I think you mean "it's a freakin' awesome stand alone game."
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Dave Lartigue
United States
Springfield
Massachusetts
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Not a good year for card games, was it?
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Chapel
United States
Round Rock
Texas
Only for the love of the game...
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Legomancer wrote: Not a good year for card games, was it?
Indeed it was not.
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Scott Russell
United States
Clarkston
Michigan
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Will the relative ranking among the finalists be used to determine a winner in each category?
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Peter T Davies
United Kingdom
Crewe
Cheshire
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Congrats to GMT Games for having all three finalists in the Wargames section.
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Matthew M Monin
United States
Branford
Connecticut
8/8 FREE, PROTECTED
That guy
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qzhdad wrote: Will the relative ranking among the finalists be used to determine a winner in each category?
Indeed, and they will be announced at BGG.Con'07!
-MMM
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Huzonfirst
United States
Manassas
Virginia
For the second time in five years, the G-Men are Super Bowl champs! Woo hoo!!!!!
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blindspot wrote: AnakinOU wrote: It's true there were some great kid's games that came out this past year. However, the "kid's game" fans on this site are definitely the minority. It's no big deal, just the demographics of the BGG user group. Exactly. I would hope that the winner of the best children's games here on BGG are games that I would want to play (with or without children), and not necessarily the games that are best for the children.
I wouldn't; I'd think an award for Best Children's game would, first and foremost, go to games that children enjoy. However, the GG voters have pretty much decided to go in a different direction for the past two years and that is their privilege. It does make you wonder, though, exactly what the category is supposed to represent.
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Huzonfirst
United States
Manassas
Virginia
For the second time in five years, the G-Men are Super Bowl champs! Woo hoo!!!!!
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Legomancer wrote: Not a good year for card games, was it?
Not for traditional-type card games, Dave, but CMC and Iliade are both excellent games and Great Wall is pretty good too. I'll take three finalists of such quality every year!
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Morgan Dontanville
United States
Brooklyn
New York
Plate of Shrimp.
Here we are folks, the dream we all dream of.
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Octavian wrote: qzhdad wrote: Will the relative ranking among the finalists be used to determine a winner in each category? Indeed, and they will be announced at BGG.Con'07! -MMM
That doesn't work for this category:
Artwork/Presentation
BattleLore
Cleopatra and the Society of Architects
Pillars of the Earth
Frankly I think that Cleopatra has the best presentation of the three, but in my mind it has by far the worst game play of the three and is rated accordingly in my final game of the year tally.
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Gabe Alvaro
United States
Berkeley
California
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Larry Levy wrote: blindspot wrote: AnakinOU wrote: It's true there were some great kid's games that came out this past year. However, the "kid's game" fans on this site are definitely the minority. It's no big deal, just the demographics of the BGG user group. Exactly. I would hope that the winner of the best children's games here on BGG are games that I would want to play (with or without children), and not necessarily the games that are best for the children. I wouldn't; I'd think an award for Best Children's game would, first and foremost, go to games that children enjoy.
It would if the children were the ones doing the voting, but here they are not.
Larry Levy wrote: It does make you wonder, though, exactly what the category is supposed to represent.
No, I don't wonder at all. It represents games that are viewed by boardgamegeeks to be children games that they themselves enjoy. Considering who exactly is doing the voting, how could it be anything else?
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Accipe gaudium ex vestri victorias. Accipe lectiones ex vestri damnis.
United States
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Maryland
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blindspot wrote: Larry Levy wrote: blindspot wrote: AnakinOU wrote: It's true there were some great kid's games that came out this past year. However, the "kid's game" fans on this site are definitely the minority. It's no big deal, just the demographics of the BGG user group. Exactly. I would hope that the winner of the best children's games here on BGG are games that I would want to play (with or without children), and not necessarily the games that are best for the children. I wouldn't; I'd think an award for Best Children's game would, first and foremost, go to games that children enjoy. It would if the children were the ones doing the voting, but here they are not. Larry Levy wrote: It does make you wonder, though, exactly what the category is supposed to represent. No, I don't wonder at all. It represents games that are viewed by boardgamegeeks to be children games that they themselves enjoy. Considering who exactly is doing the voting, how could it be anything else?
At times, adults watch out for children, helping them grow and develop in positive ways, protecting them and teaching them to be good citizens.
I can't help but conclude that you're kidding. No one could be that short-sighted. But I gotta admit you've got me going right now!
Sag.
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Gabe Alvaro
United States
Berkeley
California
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Sagrilarus wrote: At times, adults watch out for children, helping them grow and develop in positive ways, protecting them and teaching them to be good citizens.
I can't help but conclude that you're kidding. No one could be that short-sighted. But I gotta admit you've got me going right now!
Sag.
Certainly they do Sag. But for the category to mean what you are suggesting it should mean would require that all those who voted were voting with just that nurturing outlook you are citing. I don't believe they were. If I don't have kids, then just how am I supposed to know and vote on what the best children's game is? And even if I had kids, who am I to be able to predict what they will enjoy?
I don't think it's any less nurturing for an adult to pick a game as being a good children's game because they themselves would like to play it as well. After all, what could be better for a family than a game both the adult and a child can enjoy together, not just one that the child alone will enjoy? An enjoying adult is a happy adult, and children want the adults around them to be happy, right?
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pronoblem baalberith
United States
Pleasantville
Massachusetts
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ptd99uk wrote: Congrats to GMT Games for having all three finalists in the Wargames section.
Here I Stand - Game of the Year
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Randy Cox
United States
Clemson
South Carolina
1024x768 works just fine - Don't Wide the Site!
The Back Alley gets no respect.
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blindspot wrote: AnakinOU wrote: It's true there were some great kid's games that came out this past year. However, the "kid's game" fans on this site are definitely the minority. It's no big deal, just the demographics of the BGG user group. Exactly. I would hope that the winner of the best children's games here on BGG are games that I would want to play (with or without children), and not necessarily the games that are best for the children.
It's true that those who care at all about children's games are a small minority here, but that's true about wargames or party games. If BGG wants to recognize a niche group, then they need to come up with a way to weed out votes for "good games I want to play that aren't in the specified grouping."
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Randy Cox
United States
Clemson
South Carolina
1024x768 works just fine - Don't Wide the Site!
The Back Alley gets no respect.
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blindspot wrote: If I don't have kids, then just how am I supposed to know and vote on what the best children's game is? You're not. And you're not supposed to vote unless you have that perspective. Just as a person who has no understanding of what a wargame is should abstain from that category. Same for Party game (which is why Leisure--not Party--games appear in abundance in that category)Quote: And even if I had kids, who am I to be able to predict what they will enjoy? By, um, playing games with them.
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