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I reanalyzed the top 1000 games using the following formula: RAW AVERAGE x (2008 - YEAR OF RELEASE) + BGGIAN AVERAGE x NO. OF RATINGS ^ .42 + 100 x 5.5 Divided by 2108 - YEAR OF RELEASE + NO. OF RATINGS ^ .42
(Ratings ^.42 normalizes the ratings at around 50 for the biggest game: Settlers, such that popular games still have some impact on the list).
Here's the new top 100: 1. Go 2. Shogi 3. XiangQi 4. Skat 5. Crokinole 6. Chess 7. Cribbage 8. Doppelkopf (Double Sheepshead) 9. Mah-Jongg 10. Puerto Rico 11. Bridge 12. Backgammon 13. Poker 14. Acquire 15. Tigris & Euphrates 16. Settlers of Catan, The 17. El Grande 18. Power Grid 19. Die Macher 20. Diplomacy 21. Euchre 22. Carcassonne 23. Princes of Florence, The 24. Caylus 25. Dune 26. Bughouse Chess 27. Gamut of Games, A 28. Ra 29. Strat-o-Matic Baseball 30. Civilization 31. Up Front 32. Modern Art 33. Advanced Squad Leader (ASL) 34. Ticket to Ride 35. Samurai 36. Squad Leader 37. Ninety-Nine 38. Tichu 39. Subbuteo 40. RoboRally 41. Lost Cities 42. Liar's Dice 43. Citadels 44. Memoir '44 45. War of the Ring 46. Age of Steam 47. San Juan 48. Twilight Struggle 49. Through the Desert 50. Goa 51. 1830: The Game of Railroads and Robber Barons 52. Bohnanza 53. Cosmic Encounter 54. Oh Hell! 55. Tikal 56. Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage 57. Napoleon 58. Rommel in the Desert 59. BattleLore 60. Taj Mahal 61. Magic: The Gathering CCG 62. Ticket to Ride: Europe 63. Space Hulk 64. Pit 65. Titan 66. Railroad Tycoon 67. Republic of Rome, The 68. Strat-o-Matic Football 69. Britannia 70. Paths of Glory 71. Empires in Arms 72. Werewolf 73. Amun-Re 74. Game of Thrones, A 75. Wallenstein 76. Civil War, the 77. Lines of Action 78. Blokus 79. Can't Stop 80. Formula Dé 81. Hex 82. Twilight Imperium 3rd Edition 83. Sleuth 84. For Sale 85. Russian Campaign, The 86. Torres 87. Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation 88. EastFront 89. Battle Line 90. Ingenious 91. Scrabble 92. Tales of the Arabian Nights 93. Napoleon at Leipzig 94. Medici 95. Third World War, The 96. Shogun 97. Carcassonne: Hunters and Gatherers 98. Panzergruppe Guderian 99. Junta 100. Blood Bowl - Third Edition
NOTE: Spades, Mus, Unpublished Prototype, 1000 Blank White Cards, Hearts, Pinochle, Carrom, Canvas Eagles and Schafkopf are not in this list at all because they do not have dates on BGG.
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I like this list. Well done, maybe you should do a geeklist?
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Appears to vastly overestimate ancient and very old games. It is appropriate to place a cap on games at a certain age, since the score for a game that is ten or twenty years old likely has as much credibility for one that is 1000 years old. Sag.
Last edited on 2007-12-12 11:57:46 CST (Total Number of Edits: 1)
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Sagrilarus wrote: Appears to vastly overestimate ancient and very old games. It is appropriate to place a cap on games at a certain age, since the score for a game that is ten or twenty years old likely has as much credibility for one that is 1000 years old.
Sag. I was just going to add that doing comparisons with things that have on one scale a decade or two and lumping them in with things that are measured in centuries (or more!) is nearly useless. Chess and Go would have to have absolutely horrid overall rankings to even begin to make up the difference.
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Yeah ... pretty pointless really after about 10 years  .
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Flattening out games using a logarithimic scale. (Replace 57*LOG(2009-YEAR) for 2008-YEAR in both halves of the above equation. 57 gives Go an index value of around 200 which is the most "important" factor for this chart.)
1. Go 2. Puerto Rico 3. Tigris & Euphrates 4. Crokinole 5. El Grande 6. Die Macher 7. Up Front 8. Shogi 9. Skat 10. Power Grid 11. Settlers of Catan, The 12. Princes of Florence, The 13. Advanced Squad Leader (ASL) 14. XiangQi 15. Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage 16. Acquire 17. Gamut of Games, A 18. Dune 19. Ra 20. Bridge 21. Paths of Glory 22. EastFront 23. Doppelkopf (Double Sheepshead) 24. Tichu 25. Caylus 26. Modern Art 27. Rommel in the Desert 28. Age of Steam 29. Civilization 30. Bughouse Chess 31. This Hallowed Ground 32. Carcassonne 33. Samurai 34. Chess 35. Strat-o-Matic Baseball 36. Twilight Struggle 37. 1830: The Game of Railroads and Robber Barons 38. Third World War, The 39. Ninety-Nine 40. Squad Leader 41. Southern Front 42. Barbarossa Army Group South, 1941 43. War of the Ring 44. Republic of Rome, The 45. Space Hulk 46. Breakout: Normandy 47. Roads and Boats 48. Taj Mahal 49. Mah-Jongg 50. RAF 51. Goa 52. Civil War, the 53. Pursue the Pennant 54. Wallenstein 55. RoboRally 56. Empires in Arms 57. Grant Takes Command 58. Tales of the Arabian Nights 59. Roads to Gettysburg 60. Diplomacy 61. Napoleon at Leipzig 62. On To Richmond 63. Cribbage 64. Thunder at the Crossroads 65. Ticket to Ride 66. Through the Desert 67. Enemy at the Gates 68. Memoir '44 69. Tikal 70. Hammer of the Scots 71. Barbarossa Army Group North, 1941 72. DAK 73. Napoleon 74. Blood Bowl - Third Edition 75. Lost Cities 76. Here Come the Rebels 77. Battle Line 78. Full Métal Planète 79. Stonewall Jackson's Way 80. Whistling Death 81. Citadels 82. YINSH 83. 18EU 84. San Juan 85. Britannia 86. We the People 87. Railroad Tycoon 88. Game of Thrones, A 89. Bitter Woods (4th Edition) 90. Wilderness War 91. BattleLore 92. Arctic Front 93. 1856 94. Amun-Re 95. Hornet Leader 96. Bohnanza 97. Magic: The Gathering CCG 98. Union Pacific 99. Torres 100. Titan
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I prefer to rerate my games with the Cult of Cthulu.
#1 Arkham Horror and expansions #2 Unspeakable words #3 Creatures and Cultists #4 Call of Cthulu RPG #5 Hey, what's that coming out of the corner of the room....arrgghhH!!!!!!!!!
*burp*
Darilian
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jmsr525 wrote: Flattening out games using a logarithimic scale. (Replace 57*LOG(2009-YEAR) for 2008-YEAR in both halves of the above equation. 57 gives Go an index value of around 200 which is the most "important" factor for this chart.)
1. Go 2. Puerto Rico 3. Tigris & Euphrates 4. Crokinole 5. El Grande 6. Die Macher 7. Up Front 8. Shogi 9. Skat 10. Power Grid 11. Settlers of Catan, The 12. Princes of Florence, The 13. Advanced Squad Leader (ASL) 14. XiangQi 15. Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage 16. Acquire 17. Gamut of Games, A 18. Dune 19. Ra 20. Bridge 21. Paths of Glory 22. EastFront 23. Doppelkopf (Double Sheepshead) 24. Tichu 25. Caylus 26. Modern Art 27. Rommel in the Desert 28. Age of Steam 29. Civilization 30. Bughouse Chess 31. This Hallowed Ground 32. Carcassonne 33. Samurai 34. Chess 35. Strat-o-Matic Baseball 36. Twilight Struggle 37. 1830: The Game of Railroads and Robber Barons 38. Third World War, The 39. Ninety-Nine 40. Squad Leader 41. Southern Front 42. Barbarossa Army Group South, 1941 43. War of the Ring 44. Republic of Rome, The 45. Space Hulk 46. Breakout: Normandy 47. Roads and Boats 48. Taj Mahal 49. Mah-Jongg 50. RAF 51. Goa 52. Civil War, the 53. Pursue the Pennant 54. Wallenstein 55. RoboRally 56. Empires in Arms 57. Grant Takes Command 58. Tales of the Arabian Nights 59. Roads to Gettysburg 60. Diplomacy 61. Napoleon at Leipzig 62. On To Richmond 63. Cribbage 64. Thunder at the Crossroads 65. Ticket to Ride 66. Through the Desert 67. Enemy at the Gates 68. Memoir '44 69. Tikal 70. Hammer of the Scots 71. Barbarossa Army Group North, 1941 72. DAK 73. Napoleon 74. Blood Bowl - Third Edition 75. Lost Cities 76. Here Come the Rebels 77. Battle Line 78. Full Métal Planète 79. Stonewall Jackson's Way 80. Whistling Death 81. Citadels 82. YINSH 83. 18EU 84. San Juan 85. Britannia 86. We the People 87. Railroad Tycoon 88. Game of Thrones, A 89. Bitter Woods (4th Edition) 90. Wilderness War 91. BattleLore 92. Arctic Front 93. 1856 94. Amun-Re 95. Hornet Leader 96. Bohnanza 97. Magic: The Gathering CCG 98. Union Pacific 99. Torres 100. Titan Although I don't like Go, I can get 'into' this list more then the first. It's interesting. I don't have a big problem with the current system, but it's always interesting to look at these things from different angles. Skat is the one that really jumps out at me as 'hhhmmmm???'
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franklincobb wrote: Sagrilarus wrote: Appears to vastly overestimate ancient and very old games. It is appropriate to place a cap on games at a certain age, since the score for a game that is ten or twenty years old likely has as much credibility for one that is 1000 years old.
Sag. I was just going to add that doing comparisons with things that have on one scale a decade or two and lumping them in with things that are measured in centuries (or more!) is nearly useless. Chess and Go would have to have absolutely horrid overall rankings to even begin to make up the difference. Months ago, I thought BGG could gain some visibility by offering laurels for games from _past_ years rather than focusing on releases in the last year that other gaming awards (Spiel de Jahr, Games 100, etc.) were already covering. While current prizes would influence what games would be played in the following year, it seems that after awhile players would have chance to sample all games from a particular and maybe have a difference of opinion about which is really the better game and why. Basically, have categories, like, Best 2-Player Abstract from (5 years ago) (10 years ago) (20 years ago) (50 years ago). Money-paying supporters of BGG would be doing the voting and it might be possible that, over the years, a game that people overlooked at the 5 or 10-year mark could be rediscovered on the 20th. It has its problems: gamers might find it hard to find a gem from 1957, for example, to play to generate an informed opinion. But I think there's a way that gamers could look at games and offer kudos for worthy designs without "the cult of the new" influencing the decision-making.
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If you take out anything that didn't really have a release date from the original list, you're left with: Puerto Rico Acquire Tigris, Settlers, El Grande Power Grid Die Macher Diplomacy.
Not much different. I'm personally biased in favor of Acquire, so I'm happy with any list that has it near the top. Now back to some Sid Sackson gaming...
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I had posted a geeklist about this a few weeks ago http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/25388Here instead of using release date, I used date added to the database...which makes intuitive sense because that is how long people would have had to rate any given game. Top 20 were Tigris and Euphrates El Grande Die Macher Ra Princes of Florence Paths of Glory Hannibal Go Settlers Samurai Taj Mahal Modern Art Tichu Crokinole Up Front Dune ASL Power Grid Acquire Puerto Rico
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