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First of all, the Finnish edition will have the same cover as the German edition. Wohoo!
Second, there's some more cards revealed:
Harem:
cost 6
+2 coin
+2 VP
Treasure/Victory
Henchman:
cost 2
Choose two (not same twice)
+1 coin
+1 action
+1 buy
+1 card
Great hall:
cost ? (not shown in the picture)
+1 card
+1 action
+1 VP
Action - Victory
There's also a picture of the back of the box.
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Jon Grantham
United States
University Park
Maryland
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Henkka wrote: First of all, the Finnish edition will have the same cover as the German edition. Wohoo!
Second, there's some more cards revealed:
Harem:
cost 6
+2 coin
+2 VP
Treasure/Victory
Henchman:
cost 2
Choose two (not same twice)
+1 coin
+1 action
+1 buy
+1 card
Great hall:
cost ? (not shown in the picture)
+1 card
+1 action
Action - Treasure
There's also a picture of the back of the box.
Excellent. My Finnish is, um, non-existent, but isn't that 3rd one a victory card, not a treasure card?
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Bobby Warren
United States
Glendale
Arizona
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Could the Henchman card also be translated as "Minion"? I seem to recall there being a mention of a card by that name somewhere...
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David Fair
United States
Rockville
Maryland
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The Henchman will be called "Pawn" in English copies.
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Brandon Farrow
United States
Blacksburg
Virginia
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Boo.
"Henchman" > "Pawn".
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Dan Schaeffer
United States
Unspecified
Illinois
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These cards are all, of course, broken. And totally dominant. And completely useless. (I think that covers it.)
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Bobby Warren
United States
Glendale
Arizona
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Neverfade wrote: Boo.
"Henchman" > "Pawn".
According to the Henchman, maybe. To the Mastermind, it's splitting hairs on an expendable resource. 
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grantham wrote: Excellent. My Finnish is, um, non-existent, but isn't that 3rd one a victory card, not a treasure card?
Yes, my bad.
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Asa Swain
United States
Buffalo
New York
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The harem card sounds interesting, is a silver combined with an estate world 6 coins to buy?
From what little I can see, the new artwork looks great, although I'm not sure about the harem. Given the sensetive subject matter I can understand why the artist went with a more lighthearted design.
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David Fair
United States
Rockville
Maryland
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quartex wrote: The harem card sounds interesting, is a silver combined with an estate world 6 coins to buy?
Estates are 1 VP; Harems are 2 VP.
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Andrew Brannan
United States
Rockville
Maryland
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quartex wrote: The harem card sounds interesting, is a silver combined with an estate world 6 coins to buy?
A VP card that *isn't* dead weight in your hand? Yeah, probably worth it.
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Neverfade wrote: Boo.
"Henchman" > "Pawn".
Don't know if it makes you feel better that the Finnish name (Apuri) is infinitely weak. Kätyri would have been much better, imo.
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Sheamus Parkes
United States
Indianapolis
Indiana
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And everyone gave me so much crap about blending income and vp on the same card:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/384874
And look, I'd already proposed the Harem card that will be in this set. What a surprise...
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David desJardins
United States
Burlingame
California
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The OP should say that the Great Hall is worth 1 VP. My guess is it will cost $4.
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Dave G
United States
Illinois
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Isamoor wrote: And everyone gave me so much crap about blending income and vp on the same card: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/384874And look, I'd already proposed the Harem card that will be in this set. What a surprise...
That, and throwing away the estates and duchies, and making gold worth VPs depending on the stage of the game, and silver always worth VPs....not exactly the same thing--they're not replacing the existing treasure and VP cards, just introducing another way of getting points and income into your hand.
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Adam Smiles
United States
Dedham
Massachusetts
The ratio of people to cake is too big.
Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler...
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If my memory is correct, the cost is $3.
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David Fair
United States
Rockville
Maryland
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Isamoor wrote: And everyone gave me so much crap about blending income and vp on the same card: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/384874And look, I'd already proposed the Harem card that will be in this set. What a surprise...
Your changes were a lot more extensive than adding new cards, to be fair.
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DaviddesJ wrote: The OP should say that the Great Hall is worth 1 VP. My guess is it will cost $4.
Yes, my bad again. 
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I am not a robot
United States
Macedon
New York
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Link to the card pics: http://www.lautapelit.fi/lightboxImg.asp?id=2309&t=7
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Sheamus Parkes
United States
Indianapolis
Indiana
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BeyondMonopoly wrote: Isamoor wrote: And everyone gave me so much crap about blending income and vp on the same card: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/384874And look, I'd already proposed the Harem card that will be in this set. What a surprise... Your changes were a lot more extensive than adding new cards, to be fair.
True, I suggested actually replacing the existing Victory Cards. But really, I was more just trying to get rid of the very harsh "VP vs Income" split that exists in the base set. The Harem card is a direct step in this direction and I look forward to playing with it.
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David desJardins
United States
Burlingame
California
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Isamoor wrote: And everyone gave me so much crap about blending income and vp on the same card:
I didn't even bother to read your thread, much less give you crap about it. 
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David Fair
United States
Rockville
Maryland
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DaviddesJ wrote: The OP should say that the Great Hall is worth 1 VP. My guess is it will cost $4.
Adam is correct, the cost is 3.
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Jeff Thornsen
United States
Nottingham
Maryland
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Isamoor wrote: BeyondMonopoly wrote: Isamoor wrote: And everyone gave me so much crap about blending income and vp on the same card: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/384874And look, I'd already proposed the Harem card that will be in this set. What a surprise... Your changes were a lot more extensive than adding new cards, to be fair. True, I suggested actually replacing the existing Victory Cards. But really, I was more just trying to get rid of the very harsh "VP vs Income" split that exists in the base set. The Harem card is a direct step in this direction and I look forward to playing with it.
There are other cards (not yet spoilered, to my knowledge) in Intrigue that provide additional incentives to purchase Victory cards, even early in the game.
What happens if you obtain a Great Hall using the Ironworks? Do you receive both +1 Card AND +1 Action? Yet another reason to purchase Victory cards...
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Ian Kelly
United States
Longmont
Colorado
Allow me to introduce myself. I am Hexachlorophene J. Goodfortune, Kidnapper-At-Large, and Devourer of Tortoises par Excellence, at your service.
If you can read this, then this sentence is false.
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Sweet!
I'm not sold on Harem yet. I can see a possible fit for it in the mid-late game, but most of the time I think I would rather just have a Gold or a Duchy.
Great Hall looks awesome, an Estate that doesn't slow down your deck at all. I can imagine wanting to exhaust that pile before even starting on Provinces. Since it's both an Action card and a Victory card, I wonder if there will be 10 or 12 of them?
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I already hate the pawn. It seems like AP heaven. I know, I know, choices are good, more strategy, no auto-pilot hands, blah blah, all I see is three Pawns on the table and endless discussion of whether the player chose a Coin or a Buy and whether he has more Actions left or not.
And I'm scared to even mention Throned Pawns.
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