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Matt Dickinson
United States
California
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So, I'm sure that, whether you have played a real game with the new cards or not, you're planning your opening buying strategies. What opening combos are you considering? Here are some that come to mind for me.
Baron / Silver
The first time the Baron is played, you should be end up with a Gold unless you have no Estates in your hand, or all 3 Estates and a Copper. In the latter case, the hand before or after probably provides a Gold. The Baron gets less useful as the game progresses, unless you buy more of them and make an entire game strategy out of it.
Scout / Steward
If you get the two cards in the same hand, the Scout can pull Estates into your hand and the Steward can trash a couple. If they show up separately, the Scout can take the estates and the next hand, with the Steward's +2 Coin, should have good buying power.
Minion / Courtyard
When drawn together, +2 Coin and then draw 3 cards, putting a card back. The absolute worst you could end up with is 5 Coin, and most of the time you'll get a Gold out of it. Drawn separately, the Courtyard could set up the Minion by putting back a Copper instead of an Estate. If you draw the Minion alone with a handful of Estates, just toss the hand, draw four and hope one is the Courtyard (and in the process, you may mess up everyone else's hand). This combo seems pretty versatile to me, and both cards should remain useful as your hand expands.
Bridge / Silver
The Bridge is a card that jumps out and screams "play me" right away. This combo gives good buying power up front, and gets better as the game goes on.
Torturer / Pawn
Played together, it's the only opening Intrigue combo I can think of that let you draw 4 extra cards, plus you get to mess up your friends' hands. The Curse vs. discard two cards decision is particularly interesting at the beginning of the game.
And now for Intrigue / Dominion Classic card combos...
Trading Post / Chapel
Oh, dear Lord. If you draw the cards in the right order, you can trash your original ten cards in three turns, getting Silver in the process. One of the action cards can then be used to trash the other. Opponents would be forced to stock up on attack cards to stop you. Steward / Chapel
This may not be as quick as Trading Post / Chapel, but once you use the Steward to dispose of the Chapel, you have no useless action cards in your hand.
Laboratory / Secret Chamber
I see a strategy here. Keep buying Labs. Chain them together to get as many cards in your hand as possible. Secret Chamber turns every card into money for that turn. Your hand would be virtually clutter-proof.
Council Room / Pawn
Played together, gets you a Gold immediately unless you're very unlucky.
Okay. Feel free to pick apart my suggestions, and please add your own.
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Greg Payne
United Kingdom Bristol Unspecified
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Baron/Silver: Can go 6/6 on turns 3 and 4. Can be really powerful when it happens. I'm yet to run the numbers for any of the new cards, but I have a feeling that this is close to 40% for a $6 turn 3.
Coppersmith/Silver: Can also allow fast starts. I'm not evne sure that the Silver is the best companion for this card.
Scout/Secret Chamber: Draw your future Estates into hand, then discard them for money.
Masquerade/Silver: Ideally, pass an Estate around (one less for you to have to deal with), and trash an Estate if you received one. Or trash the second Estate that you had in hand. Or maybe trash the Copper you would otherwise receive. I am expecting to get a strange look from my LHO on at least one occasion...
Shanty Town/most $4 actions: If you get Shanty Town by itself then play it to get a good shot at playing the other action. Alternatively, play it on turn 4 after having played the other action on turn 3, to draw the remaining two cards of your deck, giving you a better shot at new cards on turn 5. And if it collides with your other action card, then just don't play it.
Courtyard/just about anything: Great on turn 3, as you get to put the other action card on top of your deck for turn 4. Also allows you to have more chance of new cards on turn 5 (this will be a recurring theme in this post). Sucks on turn 4, as you're drawing past the end of your deck.
Wishing Well/just about anything: Reasonable on turn 3, as you can often make a good guess at what's coming up. Even better on turn 4, where you should always be able to tell what your last card is.
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David desJardins
United States Burlingame California
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Lardarse wrote: Baron/Silver: Can go 6/6 on turns 3 and 4. Can be really powerful when it happens. I'm yet to run the numbers for any of the new cards, but I have a feeling that this is close to 40% for a $6 turn 3. Chance of $6 turn 3 = 288/792 = 36.4%. B x x x x = 330 B E E E C = -7 B S C C C = -35 B C C C C = -35 S C C C C = 35 Chance of $6 turn 3 and $6 turn 4 = 2*420/(792*21) = 5.1%. S C C C C / B x x x x / x x = 525 S C C C C / B E E E C / C C = -105
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Greg Payne
United Kingdom Bristol Unspecified
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Your notation is strange, but it's quite a clever way of doing it.
5.1% for a double 6 is a long shot. But my feelings on the card will be forever coloured by the fact that the first ever game I played with Baron on BSW, I started Baron/Silver, and then went BEE11/21111...
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Chris Martin
England London
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Lardarse wrote: Shanty Town/most $4 actions: If you get Shanty Town by itself then play it to get a good shot at playing the other action. Alternatively, play it on turn 4 after having played the other action on turn 3, to draw the remaining two cards of your deck, giving you a better shot at new cards on turn 5. And if it collides with your other action card, then just don't play it. I'm totally with you on listing Baron / Silver first: this is the one that I've decided can be added to the Pantheon of Opening Fours. But I have to take issue with your closing Shanty Town comment. Too many people seem to think that "just not playing" an Action card isn't too big a deal, because hey, you couldn't have played a different action card either, right? Right, but also so so wrong: that Shanty Town could have been a Silver, and it turns out that Silver can be used usefully alongside almost every action card you can think of.
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Greg Payne
United Kingdom Bristol Unspecified
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chrisjwmartin wrote: But I have to take issue with your closing Shanty Town comment. Too many people seem to think that "just not playing" an Action card isn't too big a deal, because hey, you couldn't have played a different action card either, right? Right, but also so so wrong: that Shanty Town could have been a Silver, and it turns out that Silver can be used usefully alongside almost every action card you can think of. That argument reads like "when it doesn't work, it sucks", which sounds rather like my argument for why I don't like Smithy/Silver. So it essentially comes down to which worst case is worst. Only experience can show the answer...
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Matt Dickinson
United States
California
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chrisjwmartin wrote: I'm totally with you on listing Baron / Silver first: this is the one that I've decided can be added to the Pantheon of Opening Fours. But I have to take issue with your closing Shanty Town comment. Too many people seem to think that "just not playing" an Action card isn't too big a deal, because hey, you couldn't have played a different action card either, right? Right, but also so so wrong: that Shanty Town could have been a Silver, and it turns out that Silver can be used usefully alongside almost every action card you can think of.
Shanty Town should be best with other + Action cards. The best opening Intrigue combo I can see is Shanty Town / Scout. If you get both, play the Scout to suck up the Estates, then play the Shanty Town. You're guaranteed to draw two Coppers.
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David desJardins
United States Burlingame California
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French Taunter wrote: Shanty Town should be best with other + Action cards. The best opening Intrigue combo I can see is Shanty Town / Scout. If you get both, play the Scout to suck up the Estates, then play the Shanty Town. You're guaranteed to draw two Coppers. Playing two action cards to gain $2 hardly seems like a great combo. You could have just bought Silver.
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Yaron Racah
Israel Tel Aviv
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DaviddesJ wrote: French Taunter wrote: Shanty Town should be best with other + Action cards. The best opening Intrigue combo I can see is Shanty Town / Scout. If you get both, play the Scout to suck up the Estates, then play the Shanty Town. You're guaranteed to draw two Coppers. Playing two action cards to gain $2 hardly seems like a great combo. You could have just bought Silver. I agree that's it not an amazing combo, but it does do more than draw into +2 coins - it also churns through some useless Estates. In general, Shantytown seems to be good in conjunction with +1 action cards. If you draw several actions, you can play the other cards first, and get your +2 cards from Shantytown. You never get to use Shantytown's +2 actions (because everything gives you +1 action anyway), but you do get to use one of those actions (if you draw into something with Shantytown). Shantytown is effectively a Laboratory in this situation, except it costs 3 (and except you don't want too many of them - if you draw several together, all but the last will not draw cards).
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Cameron MacFarland
Australia Unspecified Unspecified
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Ironworks/Great Hall: Use the Ironworks to buy more Ironworks and Great Halls, and once both of those decks are gone drain the estates. Win by ending the game really quickly, before a slower deck has a chance to get started.
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Matt Dickinson
United States
California
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DaviddesJ wrote: French Taunter wrote: Shanty Town should be best with other + Action cards. The best opening Intrigue combo I can see is Shanty Town / Scout. If you get both, play the Scout to suck up the Estates, then play the Shanty Town. You're guaranteed to draw two Coppers. Playing two action cards to gain $2 hardly seems like a great combo. You could have just bought Silver. On further reflection, you're absolutely right. Shanty Town/Silver would be a better starter. Still not sure it would be a good way to start the game, though.
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Chris Martin
England London
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French Taunter wrote: On further reflection, you're absolutely right. Shanty Town/Silver would be a better starter. Still not sure it would be a good way to start the game, though. I think that you're right on both counts, Matt: Shanty Town / Silver would be better, and Shanty Town / Silver would still be pretty crap. Which teaches us that Shanty Town is not great in that circumstance. Shanty Town is very like Village: if you have it in your deck, that's fine - it doesn't mess you up particularly, except if you're running a big draw deck (e.g. Smithies, Envoys, Council Rooms) in which case you end up drawing them using your draw cards. The problem is that to get the card in your deck you have to buy it, and that buy could have been a Silver. I do think that Shanty Town is better than Village, but not by that much.
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Mikael Ölmestig
Sweden Halmstad Halland
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I was the other day looking at the best wishes game and saw a nice starting combination with a 3/4 start and it is two cards that isn't regarded as strong, but could work very well together and that is coppersmith and wishing well.
Coppersmith makes coppers worth one more and wishing well give +1 action +1 draw and you guess the next card after that. With these you have some decisions depending on what you draw on you third turn, but chances are pretty good you will be able to get at least 6 coins to buy with and pretty good buying power the 4th turn too. The power of esp. coppersmith will be lower as the game goes on, but by then you should have enough gold to handle it.
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Matt Dickinson
United States
California
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After playing for a few days, I think Bridge/Silver is my favorite starter. An early Gold is harder to get, but with only three Coppers a Bridge will get you two Silvers. I'm also having some success with Trading Post/Pawn. I find Silvers more useful with Intrigue than with the original Dominion set, because there are so many new ways to get VPs.
Has anyone found a favorite starter now that we've opened the boxes and played a few games?
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