What about games without English versions? I have seen a few here, but wouldn't it be easier to add these after the launch of RPGGeek.com? There are a few Hungarian ones, but I think it won't be easy for the admins to provide information about them before launch.

Well, anyway:
M.A.G.U.S.
Codex
Harc és varázslat
Armageddon 2092

Edit: more at http://www.rpg.net/realm/world/hungary.html. It's a historical account of RPGs in Hungary, but I couldn't find any more info in English.

Mercenaries, Spies, and Private Eyes (by Michael Stackpole; first edition Blade/Flying Buffalo, 2nd ed. Sleuth). Couldn't find a stock photo easily.

I'm asuming you don't only want english games, so here goes;

- The already mentioned Drakar och Demoner ("Dragons and Demons") by Äventyrsspel. This is not a swedish veersion of Dungeons and Dragons, but the name is quite possibly inspired by it.

- Expansion boxes to the above (if "boxes" is your way to tell one game from another); Drakar och Demoner Expert, Drakar och Demoner Gigant, Drakar och Demoner Ereb Altor.

- Mutant by äventyrsspel. Post apocalyptic, with both future technology and more midieval stuff. Also mutated animals like TMNT, although I do think Mutant predates them. Maybe.

- Sagan om Ringen by Äventyrsspel. This is Lords of the Rings, but I do believe the system was swedish developed. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

- Western by... someone. Not sure if this is swedish or not, but I couldn't see it on the list under this name, anyway.

From the FANHUNTER universe:

Fanhunter, el juego de rol épicodecadente
Fanpiro (a VtM spoof)
Outfan (an all-scifi spoof)

Each one has its own system, so I believe each one is a [game].

Silver Age Sentinels
Hong Kong Action Theater
Ghost Dog
Hackmaster

Shades of Fantasy
Run out the Guns
Lord of the Rings adventure game ( a simpler version of MERP, but with it's own supplements not compatable )

Yes, they are to be included.


System is culled out into a seperate page. So all of the games that use that system can link to it just as we do with the flavors of GURPSs. It's not worth discussing here - but it's logical.


I won't get into it too deeply here, but the GURPS discussion took days. And was draining. Given that we must try and retain some strict hierarchical nature to the database we have decided to list things like the collections of "GURPS Conan" and "GURPS WWII" as their own [game] entries. The "GURPS Conan" books are, techanically, not games in the same way that "GURPS (Third Edition)" is - they are really sourcebooks. "GURPS WWII" is a bit different as it contains the streamlined Third Edition rules (GURPS3 Lite) so is self contained. But a [game] to us is also a box - and these boxes can be downlinked to items (books, minis, dice, etc - all the things you put in a box) and uplinked to families. We wanted to have GURPS Conan be part of of the Conan family and the GURPS family (and there are more extreme examples within the GURPS line of this kind of cross pollination). While we have other ways to group things (by series/setting), there was no clean way to deal with some of the GURPS conversions. So we did our best - the thinking is not fixed in stone but nor is it likely to change given the lengthy discussions of issues surrounding this complex GURPS family.

I appreciate the suggestions and your thoughtfulness here.

-Dave

West End Games' D6 System.

It is a rework of their Star Wars RPG, without the Star Wars license.

List of D6 RPGs.

Some lesser known Superhero oriented RPGS

Basic Action Super Hero (BASH)
Squadron UK
Bif Bam Pow
City of Heroes (never been released, though)
Comic Book Heroes (2nd Edition)
Deeds Not Words
Guardian Universe II
Juggernauts
Justice For All
Living Legends
Modern SuperHeroes
Weapons of the Gods

zzzzzzzzZZZzzZZZzzzz.... what!

As a long-tme player of the Basic sets, I can assure you they do

Though I agree it could be somewhat collapsed, but not totally. There wre no expert rules in Basic 2nd and some of the later modules needed those rules. Anyway, we can link items to more than one game - so B2: Keep on the Borderlands can be linked to the basic sets 2nd - 5th as needed while others would link to 3rd-5th. A few other special cases exist as well - we feel cleaner having them separated out - we can always collapse them later.

Your input is greatly appreciated.

-Dave

DragonQuest (Third Edition) is missing

As an "expert" player of both, I can assure you they will never be merged

Our rule is that they must be 98.3% compatible to be merged - early 3rd edition stuff doesn't mesh well with 3.5 stuff as well as you might think. Later stuff was "closer". There is a 20 page conversion book that we decided was greater than 1.7% compability difference.

Remember, however, items can be linked to more than one game. Some late 3rd edition material as well as material which doesn't depend heavily on the rules can be linked to both.

-Dave

The number of "games" per your definition is many, many times the ones you have now. Do you need them all before going live? I thought they'd sort of be added just as new board games are added to BGG.

Here goes a couple of Swedish roleplaying games:

EDITED: As I was requested to find more information, this was pretty heavily overhauled.

First we have the Swedish staple RPG: Drakar och Demoner. From what I have known, there are not 3 but 4 (maybe 5) noticably different editions:
Drakar och Demoner (1 and 2e very similar) (Target Games)
Drakar och Demoner Expert (3e and 4e and arguably 5e) (Target Games)
Drakar och Demoner 6th edition (Riotminds)
Drakar och Demoner Trudvang (Riotminds)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drakar_och_Demoner and http://www.riotminds.com/

At the same time as first "Drakar" there was "Mutant" - a post-apocalyptic setting, where humanity had reverted to pre-industrial revolution technology, but mutations from the war and old technology was still mixed. I LOVED this setting, and it's still my favourite:
Mutant (Target games)
Mutant 2089 (a more cyberpunk setting) (Target Games)
Mutant Rymd (Mutant space, this was subsequently transformed into Mutant Chronicles) (Target Games)
Mutant - Undergångens arvtagare (A pull-back to the original setting) (Järnringen)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_(role-playing_game) and http://www.mutant.nu/

At the same time there was also Chock, a horror-themed RPG, a translation of "Chill" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chill_(role-playing_game)

Viking - a realistic Viking RPG now available as free PDF: http://www.trollspel.se/

Western (Rävspel) http://www.rollspel.com/engelsk/western/ewestern.htm

Gondica (Rävspel) A heroic fantasy-setting http://www.rollspel.com/gondica/gondica.htm

Eon (NeoGames) - the top-notch Swedish roleplaying game of modern age There are three editions available but all are similar http://www.neogames.se/eon.htm

Neotech (NeoGames) - futuristic realistic roleplaying http://www.neogames.se/neotech.htm

Noir (NeoGames) - award-winning dystopic roleplaying game http://www.noir.nu/

Svenil (Svenil Games) small-press humoristic roleplaying game, set in a typical "Swedish comic book" setting: http://svenil.sverok.net/

Västmark (Rävsvans förlag) - fairy-tale type fantasy roleplaying http://www.foxtail.nu/index.php

Skymningshem: Andra Imperiet - science fiction http://www.foxtail.nu/index.php?option=com_content&task=sect...

Playelf (small press)- chauvinist kobold-nostalgic fantasy RPG: http://www.foxtail.nu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view...

A couple of Japanese ones

Blade of Arcana　(Enterbrain) - very heroic fantasy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_of_Arcana

The "Monster maker" RPGs are based on the same world, the same characters, but have very different rulesets. Monster Maker started out as card games that are featured here on BGG.

Monster Maker RPG Holy axe (Fujimi) - just a pocket book. I can't find a link.

Monster Maker Resurrection (Enterbrain) http://www.enterbrain.co.jp/product/mook/mook/02272801.html

Monster Maker Legend (Kokusai Tsushin) http://www.kokusaig.co.jp/mmrpg_legend/home.html

MAGIUS (simple base system to be used by any setting)

plus a lot of book-only anime-based RPGs by Fujimi shobo, that I find I'll just add once RPGGeek goes live.

We don't need them all, no. But the hierarchy of the RPG world is... challenging. And we are trying hard to have consistancy (something a few of the other RPG sites seems to lack) in the listings. So, at least initially and possibly forever, the user community will only be able to create and edit RPG items. That is... entering books, miniature sets, images, session reports, reviews, and probably things like [series] (eg G1,G2,G3 - Against the Giants) and [setting] (eg Ravenloft, Forgotten Realms, etc).

The [game], [system] and [family] entries will be tightly controlled so that we can maintain some semblence of order

With that in mind, we feel that this is an exreme case of the 80/20 rule. That is, we feel that 80% of the RPGs people are going to want to add item content for, discuss and add to their collections will be contained in 20% of the games out there. Don't worry, there will be (as Derk likes to say) a metric buttload of content for you to add once we go live

-Dave

"HDL Universal Tactical Role-playing System"

http://tremorworks.com/hdl-system/

Ones I noticed missing:

Fellowship of the White Star
Vox
OGL Horror
OGL CyberNet: Cyberpunk Roleplaying
Dark Aeons: The Atlantean Chronicles RPG

Dream Park by R. Talsorian was one of my favourites and not on that list.

I'll have to find my books and provide content eventually. Will try and find my collection and see if there is anything else missing.

Does Dungeons & Dragons - Boardgame - Diablo II Edition count as a RPG or a board game? While currently included in the BGG database as the latter, I suspect it should belong with the former?

A couple that I may have missed - both are available from IPR.

carry. a game about war. http://tinyurl.com/mo96uj

Timestream http://tinyurl.com/lu6ko9
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And a question: what about ashcans and the like?

Example: How We Came to Live Here by Brennan Taylor http://www.galileogames.com/hwctlh/index.html

Thanks!

Macross (Though it could be argued that it's Robotech with a different facade)

RUN! We woke the beast!

Neuroshima

Based on the description from the publisher:



It looks very RPG-ish and belongs in our database. I'm not familar with it, but based on a quick glance, it feels like it should be listed as a [game]. If the system it uses is common to other games, it can be extracted out.

-Dave

F.A.T.A.L.


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