|
Andrew Tullsen
United States
Tigard
Oregon
Game Parts, Custom prototypes, Print & Play Games
-
Unfortunately, Zombie in my Pocket is not Print and Play.
-
Scott Alden
United States
Dallas
Texas
Aldie's Full of Love!
-
Howitzer_120mm wrote:
I updated to point to the PNP version.
-
Andrew Tullsen
United States
Tigard
Oregon
Game Parts, Custom prototypes, Print & Play Games
-
Aldie wrote: Howitzer_120mm wrote: I updated to point to the PNP version.
Even though the original PnP Zombie in my Pocket was published back in 2007?
-
Phil
United States
Falmouth
Maine
Skyrim = Amazing!!!
O.o
-
Tough decisions this year.
-
brian
United States
Cedar Lake
Indiana
-
Surprised to see that Chaos in the Old World didn't make it under any category. Hope it will be eligible for next year's voting when it can garner some more nominations.
-
Sheamus Parkes
United States
Indianapolis
Indiana
-
Tales of the Arabian Nights is very deserving of a nomination for artwork and presentation... but innovation? It is a reprint right?
Thanks for running this Aldie!
-
Accipe gaudium ex vestri victorias. Accipe lectiones ex vestri damnis.
United States
38.978164N 76.486881W
Maryland
-
A shame more people didn't get the chance to see a copy of Timber Tom. It would be a shoe-in for Artwork and Presentation if it had been mass produced.
Sag.
-
Robert Ramirez
United States
San Antonio
Texas
-
Awesome. This just means that BGG con is right around the corner.
-
Arrrrr!
United States
California
-
Havent got enough for an avatar.
 Will some kind person send a vote for:
1. Le Havre
2. Pandemic
3. Stone age
4. Small worls
5. Times up Title recall!
6. Dixit
7. Scripts and scribes
8. Wasabi!
9. On the brink
10. Cheese chasers
11. Dominion
-
Mark Jackson
United States
Fresno
California
Am I a man or am I a muppet? If I'm a muppet then I'm a very manly muppet!
-
Once again, an awful list of children's game nominations. Do the people who vote on these things actually know what kids look like?!
Sigh.
There are a few good choices... but the majority of them are not playable at any meaningful level with someone younger than 10 years old. (Important tip: just because a child can get the rules right does not mean they are playing and/or enjoying a game.)
-
Sven Reuter
Germany
Frankfurt am Main
Hessen
-
Maybe we should include a note, that people are really not required to nominate a game in every category and that if they are not interested in a category, they really shouldn't? I mean, Small World is a wargame now?
-
Wendell
Spain
Arlington
Virginia
All the little chicks with crimson lips, go...
Hey, get your stinking cursor off my face! I got nukes, you know.
-
Tanakor wrote: Maybe we should include a note, that people are really not required to nominate a game in every category and that if they are not interested in a category, they really shouldn't? I mean, Small World is a wargame now?
Yep. I didn't vote in children's game or family game (how are they different, anyway?) because I haven't even seen one of them.
-
Phil McDonald
England
Staffordshire
UK
-
Have gg on me... now you just need another 19 
rodentfield wrote: Havent got enough for an avatar. Will some kind person send a vote for: 1. Le Havre 2. Pandemic 3. Stone age 4. Small worls 5. Times up Title recall! 6. Dixit 7. Scripts and scribes 8. Wasabi! 9. On the brink 10. Cheese chasers 11. Dominion
-
Uisge Beatha
Scotland
http://www.thekanofoundation.com/
-
rodentfield wrote: Havent got enough for an avatar. Will some kind person send a vote for: ...
But a supporter's badge is very cheap - and it will get you GG towards an avatar.
-
Ben Lott
United States
Mason
Michigan
It's time to play the music, It's time to light the lights...
Wocka Wocka Wocka!!
-
gamemark wrote: Once again, an awful list of children's game nominations. Do the people who vote on these things actually know what kids look like?!
Sigh.
There are a few good choices... but the majority of them are not playable at any meaningful level with someone younger than 10 years old. (Important tip: just because a child can get the rules right does not mean they are playing and/or enjoying a game.)
You could make a similar complaint about that list of party games. But here's the thing...without any guidelines someone can call a game that is playable by children between the ages of 10 and 15 a children's game too. You take "children" to mean accessible to younger kids, but there is no guideline saying that this is a requirement. I posted a comment about this situation for some of my geekbuddies but I feel it might be appropriate repeated here:
The problem is that the "jury" is a community of people who all have their own ways of defining what is and what is not a "family" game. I mean if I took the category literally, I'd be looking for games that I enjoy playing with my wife, my parents, and my gamer brother. That is my family at this point in time. However, for many others, family consists of younger kids. So is family an age thing, or what. It's a very gray area.
That is the biggest problem I have with the Golden Geek Awards. The categories lack guidelines and parameters, so no one knows what game to put in. Should Hanging Gardens be in the 2-player category? It's playable by up to 4, but many have argued that it's best with 2. Is Dominion:Intrigue really an expansion even though it's playable on its own? If so, then Aquaretto would be an expansion as well. Is a children's game one that kids can play, or one that they are intended to play? A 10-year-old might be able to play Pandemic, but was that the target audience when the game was designed?
Common sense should dictate the answer to many of these questions. However, this community isn't built on a foundation of common sense. We are a community of rules readers and rules lawyers. We need guidelines and structure to make an accurate decision. This is the community that actually has 5 or 6 threads with questions on the rules for Sorry Sliders! We don't do well when there's ambiguity in the rules, and yet we're expected to vote on the best games of the year with nothing more than the title of the awards. I'm surprised Agricola didn't win for Children's Game last year...
-
-
Blott wrote: But here's the thing...
 
-
Peer Sylvester
Germany
Berlin
-
wifwendell wrote: Tanakor wrote: Maybe we should include a note, that people are really not required to nominate a game in every category and that if they are not interested in a category, they really shouldn't? I mean, Small World is a wargame now? Yep. I didn't vote in children's game or family game (how are they different, anyway?) because I haven't even seen one of them.
You equal family and children games?
Well children is usually up to 8 years, because they need special games. From that age they are mature enough to play family games with their parents.
I guess a lot of geeks dont have childen and dont know that 4-5-year olds cant play Dixit in any meaningful way...
-
Peer Sylvester
Germany
Berlin
-
Blott wrote:
Common sense should dictate the answer to many of these questions. However, this community isn't built on a foundation of common sense. We are a community of rules readers and rules lawyers. We need guidelines and structure to make an accurate decision. This is the community that actually has 5 or 6 threads with questions on the rules for Sorry Sliders! We don't do well when there's ambiguity in the rules, and yet we're expected to vote on the best games of the year with nothing more than the title of the awards. I'm surprised Agricola didn't win for Children's Game last year...
Thats spot on.
And let me add: We are a community that changes ratings, so a certain game is /is not # one. We set up fake accounts so a certain game wins a poll.
Is it to anyones surprise that we nominate titles in every category we can/cannot get away with?
I mean Battleship galactica as a party game? Honestly?
-
Jonny Lawless
United States
Bountiful
Utah
Love my Lil'bug!
My name is Glenn! Long have I carried Cyrus's hopes and dreams, and now I bear the Masamune as well! Henceforth, I claim them as my own! I shall slay the Fiendlord Magus and restore our honor!
-
Let the finding of something to bitch about begin!!!
-
Mike Jones
United States
Gainesville
Florida
Yeah it's here! Really it's right here.
-
jonnylawless wrote: Let the finding of something to bitch about begin!!!
OK, so true.
Mr. Lawless has it correct. We love chaos don't we? 
While I too am not happy with the 2-player, Children Category and Party Games, the Children's games seem a bit better then last year.
But, it is about a community, and there are diverse opinions on what should and shouldn't be included. Not only here, but many places here on the Geek.
Why do we always have to 'nit pick' the 'news worthy items?
Those are the threads that 'rise' to the top and then I find myself defending the geek when people point out how negative the Geek is.
So, let's let our voting do the speaking. If it turns out that the awards mean little to those that have children or what not, that will be what the image will be over time, but what the BGG community as a whole wants. Just like 'hard core' gamers don't like the SdJ.
So, what's to like!?
Hey check out Sorry! Sliders!!!!!!!!!!
It's a way fun game that appeals across the board. Heck, it comes out with my gamer only crowd too!
-
T. Nomad
New Zealand
Winnipeg/Auckland/Cheonan
-
Thanks, Aldie. I'm always happy to be asked my relatively worthless opinion on trivial matters.
-
Randy Cox
United States
Clemson
South Carolina
1024x768 works just fine - Don't Wide the Site!
The Back Alley gets no respect.
-
wifwendell wrote: Yep. I didn't vote in children's game or family game (how are they different, anyway?) because I haven't even seen one of them.
Children's game: Playable and enjoyed by children who are 8 and under. Why this arbitrary cutoff? Because we are all children of someone, but just because this 48-year-old enjoys a game doesn't make it a good children's game anymore than the fact that a 14-year-old might like Dixit or Werewolf makes those kid games.
Family game: Playable by an entire family of parents and children--cross-generational. At least one of those generations must be under 15, otherwise you're back to adult games again.
The glory of my statements are that they are 100% as official as any definition of children's and family games for BGG award purposes.
I think that people should be allowed to vote in the "Gamer's Game"/Game of the Year award and the Innovation and Artwork categories. Other than that, people should be allowed to vote in only two other categories. That way, people who are invested in party or children's games can put their know-how to work in those categories. Wargamers and 2-player gamers can do likewise. Just think about how many people with no print-and-play experience altered the outcome of that category.
-
Colin Hunter
New Zealand
Auckland
Stop the admins removing history from the Wargaming forum.
-
Randy Cox wrote: wifwendell wrote: Yep. I didn't vote in children's game or family game (how are they different, anyway?) because I haven't even seen one of them. Children's game: Playable and enjoyed by children who are 8 and under. Why this arbitrary cutoff? Because we are all children of someone, but just because this 48-year-old enjoys a game doesn't make it a good children's game anymore than the fact that a 14-year-old might like Dixit or Werewolf makes those kid games. Family game: Playable by an entire family of parents and children--cross-generational. At least one of those generations must be under 15, otherwise you're back to adult games again. The glory of my statements are that they are 100% as official as any definition of children's and family games for BGG award purposes. I think that people should be allowed to vote in the "Gamer's Game"/Game of the Year award and the Innovation and Artwork categories. Other than that, people should be allowed to vote in only two other categories. That way, people who are invested in party or children's games can put their know-how to work in those categories. Wargamers and 2-player gamers can do likewise. Just think about how many people with no print-and-play experience altered the outcome of that category.
What you say makes a lot f sense randy. I just expect the categories to be useless.
-
Seth Brown
United States
North Adams
Massachusetts
-
Man, and the math trade discussion thread had just gotten me over my non-avatar inferiority complex. Maybe I should shill for GG by pointing out that even if I acquire an avatar this month, I don't plan to vote in the Wargaming category when Small World is the only frickin' game on that list that I've played.
Ahem.
-
|
|
|
Posted Sat Oct 3, 2009 2:07 am
