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Many (new) users have found this GeekList to be helpful already. I hope you do too.

Click -> New Users want to know Who? What? Where? When? and Why? but mostly How?
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An update to this on videos would be nice.
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Are you saying the "How" question about videos should be updated or that I should do a video version of this GL?
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It doesn't tell how to insert a video via a game page (or I presume, a designer page etc.)

Like this.
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Very nice post for us newbies. Thank you.
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Thanks a ton for that resource, glsonn! There seemed to be a large number of interesting topics that I'm going to have to explore.

One thing I have been wondering that I can't seem to find the answer to is: what exactly is the formula for the ranking of board games?

Obviously the main part is the average user ranking, but the number of votes also has to be a factor (otherwise a brand new game with one person ranking it a 10 would automatically jump to #1). Are there any other factors involved? Is there a threshold value of # of voters required to be ranked highly?

Just curious, I'd appreciate any reply. Thanks!
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One thing I have been wondering that I can't seem to find the answer to is: what exactly is the formula for the ranking of board games?

The formula is exactly secret. Too many people want their favorite game to be at the top of the chart.

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The formula is exactly secret. Too many people want their favorite game to be at the top of the chart.


That makes sense. I shouldn't have used the word "exactly," as I am more trying to get an idea of what overall factors are in the formula. I'm sure some people have gleaned information purely from observation of the rankings.
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It's weighted against games with few votes so they don't shoot to the top of the ratings when their designer says they're a 10. (It is not Bayesian, but it is conceptually similar.) Also, it includes some mechanisms to mitigate rating manipulations. The exact algorithms are secret, again.

From my own observations, especially that a game with fewer votes and the same average rating can outscore a game with more votes, I suspect a biasing factor assuming ratings are in a bell curve. They cannot be a bell curve, of course, because ratings stop at 1 and 10, but the effect seems to be to give a bias equivalent to the tail of the bell curve extending above 10, thus a "peakier" game would be disadvantaged because it's tail wouldn't extend as high. This is supported by the current peaky leader, Twilight Struggle, and the equally rated fourth, Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization. However, TTA has significantly fewer votes than TS, though they both have far fewer than PR or 'Gric.

You can look at a graph of the ratings of a game by looking in the statistics section of its game page. The icons next to the average show how the game is rated by country and how ratings are distributed by rating number.
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Does anyone know if there is a video tutorial for BLUE MOON anywhere out there?
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Conventional wisdom is that every game gets a pile of votes of 5.5 added to the real votes. Various theories as to how big that pile is have been floated, but none have been shown or accepted as close to the mark. For games we are interested in, those 5.5s have the effect of pulling down the average rating from the average rating from real votes.
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BobKo wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a video tutorial for BLUE MOON anywhere out there?

Have you looked on the blue moon page?
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AnnuverScotinExile wrote:
BobKo wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a video tutorial for BLUE MOON anywhere out there?

Have you looked on the blue moon page?


I don't see any on that page right now, but that would be the place to check if someone makes one. Scott Nicholson did one on Blue Moon City, but that's not the same game.
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AnnuverScotinExile wrote:
Conventional wisdom is that every game gets a pile of votes of 5.5 added to the real votes. Various theories as to how big that pile is have been floated, but none have been shown or accepted as close to the mark. For games we are interested in, those 5.5s have the effect of pulling down the average rating from the average rating from real votes.



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oscal wrote:
AnnuverScotinExile wrote:
Conventional wisdom is that every game gets a pile of votes of 5.5 added to the real votes. Various theories as to how big that pile is have been floated, but none have been shown or accepted as close to the mark. For games we are interested in, those 5.5s have the effect of pulling down the average rating from the average rating from real votes.





Check my list up above. Scroll down to the "How" section and click the last item under "Ratings" for an explanation in the BGG wiki. I know that's the long way around, but you might find something else there of use too.
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glsonn wrote:
oscal wrote:
AnnuverScotinExile wrote:
Conventional wisdom is that every game gets a pile of votes of 5.5 added to the real votes. Various theories as to how big that pile is have been floated, but none have been shown or accepted as close to the mark. For games we are interested in, those 5.5s have the effect of pulling down the average rating from the average rating from real votes.





Check my list up above. Scroll down to the "How" section and click the last item under "Ratings" for an explanation in the BGG wiki. I know that's the long way around, but you might find something else there of use too.



I did and still confused...I guess being new I dont understand all the ins and outs.
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oscal wrote:
glsonn wrote:
oscal wrote:
AnnuverScotinExile wrote:
Conventional wisdom is that every game gets a pile of votes of 5.5 added to the real votes. Various theories as to how big that pile is have been floated, but none have been shown or accepted as close to the mark. For games we are interested in, those 5.5s have the effect of pulling down the average rating from the average rating from real votes.





Check my list up above. Scroll down to the "How" section and click the last item under "Ratings" for an explanation in the BGG wiki. I know that's the long way around, but you might find something else there of use too.



I did and still confused...I guess being new I dont understand all the ins and outs.



Thats right I thumb my own post!!!
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oscal wrote:
glsonn wrote:
oscal wrote:
AnnuverScotinExile wrote:
Conventional wisdom is that every game gets a pile of votes of 5.5 added to the real votes. Various theories as to how big that pile is have been floated, but none have been shown or accepted as close to the mark. For games we are interested in, those 5.5s have the effect of pulling down the average rating from the average rating from real votes.





Check my list up above. Scroll down to the "How" section and click the last item under "Ratings" for an explanation in the BGG wiki. I know that's the long way around, but you might find something else there of use too.



I did and still confused...I guess being new I dont understand all the ins and outs.


It's not really something anyone but those heavily into the math ever bother with. Not to worry.
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Who do I talk to about posting a game on BGG?
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gdhurn wrote:
Who do I talk to about posting a game on BGG?


see this wiki New Game Submission Guideline

it will answer most of your questions

some advise

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when submitting games to the Geek (or VGG Hardware)
* submit any needed people and companies first
* wait a few minutes for the cache to catch up

then when you submit the game, you can link any pending people or company submissions

we see these links with pending next to them

after the game is approved different admins approve the people and company submissions


I don't apporve boaedgame submssions, I do apporve most RPGG submissions

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gdhurn wrote:
Who do I talk to about posting a game on BGG?


You can see similar info under the What section of my list too.

http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/41134/item/909717#item9097...
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You don't. We don't use auto-signatures on BGG. And if you leave that advertising link on every post you make you are likely to be banned as a spammer.
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Hi need some help on this question mybe you can put me in the right direction.
We have a from the 1900 called hoop-la do you know if it is worth selling on ebay or do you know how much to expect for itas I cant find anything about this game except on your site thx
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Hoop-La!

You'll get what it's worth on ebay - be sure to tag it correctly.

I doubt it'll be very much.

You'd probably get more at a specialist auction but it's more work.

Here's an auction of it with 3 other games - you'll have to log in to see the price. Include Chad Valley and you'll find a lot more relevant hits on google. There are multiple Chad Valley Hoopla games from over the years.

http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/table-cricket,-chad-valle...
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