Cisco Serret
United States
Austin
Texas
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A Big Knockoff http://www.spotlightongames.com/muse/44.html
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Big Lebowski
Germany
Unspecified
Unspecified
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wow. There better be no Games Workshop title in their range.
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Luke Morris
Japan
Nagoya
Aichi
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Ooooh cheap games!
But seriously I know a couple of people living in China and pretty much the entire DVD industry is based on selling cheap knockoffs anyway. So not surprised that games would be any different.
Of course I wholeheartedly oppose such a thing.
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Jonathan Morton
Canada
Kitchener
Ontario
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It'll really get interesting if they start ripping off out-of-print games.
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Jason Miller
Canada
Medicine Hat
Alberta
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woodoo03 wrote: wow. There better be no Games Workshop title in their range.
I really don't know who I'd want to win that fight. Mutually Assured Destruction?
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Chapel
United States
Round Rock
Texas
Only for the love of the game...
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Ignoring the fact that is illegal and all, it's great to see the globalization of the hobby.
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Fischjello
United States
Minnesota
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Hey there -- I do some work for Atlas Games and we were just looking this over. There's not a lot of info to go by, but the truth is, we sell a LOT of copies of Once Upon a Time to East Asia. If these are knock offs, they look like incredibly high-quality knock offs. I know this can be a problem specifically if a company prints in China and the source files are there, but Atlas has only ever printed this game in the US and Belgium.
So...interesting...?
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Luke Morris
Japan
Nagoya
Aichi
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Jonny5 wrote: It'll really get interesting if they start ripping off out-of-print games.
If they printed Antiquity and sold it for $15 then I'd have a moral dilemma....
...Though I'd like to think I could stand strong.
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Sven Reuter
Germany
Frankfurt am Main
Hessen
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"the employee stated that the Chinese market is not yet affluent enough to pay the prices that licensing these products would require."
Yeah, paying money sucks - no matter how affluent you are. 
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Troy W
United States
Baltimore
Maryland
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There may not be much to worry about if they keep knocking off things like Mall of Horror. The pirated boardgames problem will take care of itself, as the market collapses in sheer disgust
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Lacombe
Louisiana
It was a dark and stormy night.
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HamsterOfFury wrote: But seriously I know a couple of people living in China and pretty much the entire DVD industry is based on selling cheap knockoffs anyway. So not surprised that games would be any different.
This isn't limited to China.
I have the entire M*A*S*H box set that my brother bought for me while he was stationed in Iraq. Something like $30 for the knockoff copy [poor quality video; ink-jet disc labels] vs $100 here.
The difference in quality / content seems different than these Chinese board game knockoffs, though. These look identical, whereas my M*A*S*H is a completely different looking box / quality of video.
Almost any TV series or movie series was available to him from the local "vendors" for crazy cheap. The quality varied greatly. Some discs play on American players, some don't. This avoids arbitrage.
Amazing how weird the economies of half [or more] of the world can seem to us "first-world" folks. For over 2 billion people in the world, "counterfeit" is basically the equivalent of "discount store".
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Andrew Snyder
United States
Springfield
Pennsylvania
Shouldn't you be playing a game with me instead of wasting time on the Internet?
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There is only one reasonable response to this- print up stickers that say 'As counterfeited in China!'
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Burke Glover
United States
Unspecified
Delaware
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Wow. You know the hobby has really reached a milestone when the Chinese start stealing it.
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J.L. Robert
United States
Sherman Oaks
California
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Counterfeit items coming from China? You don't say!
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Scott Nicholson
United States
Cambridge
Massachusetts
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I know how this feels.
One of my scholarly articles was taken by a scholar from India. He published my article under his own name in two different Indian publications. I only found it when I was trying to get tenure, and searching for everything about my work.
His response? "Oh, I tried to acknolwedge you, but it didn't come across in the publishing process."
(Some) People suck.
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Pete Lane
United States
Saint Paul
Minnesota
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This is a big shocking, but only because I really didn't think Board Gaming was a lucritive enough business to bootleg. I know there are bootleg Magic Cards and Pokemon... but Board Games? Heck, even DVDs make sense as it is so easy to do... but booting a Board Game is hard work!!
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Fischjello
United States
Minnesota
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stagger lee wrote: This is a big shocking, but only because I really didn't think Board Gaming was a lucritive enough business to bootleg. I know there are bootleg Magic Cards and Pokemon... but Board Games? Heck, even DVDs make sense as it is so easy to do... but booting a Board Game is hard work!! :what:
So THIS is what shocks you!
:P
~b
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Scott A. Reed
United States
Lawrence
Kansas
Yes, Scrofula, it sucks.
I just wasted 100 :gg: on this.
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The Chinese aren't the first to pirate board games. Some well-known companies do it with their regular product lines:
Tensão Total is a rip-off of Diamant/Incan Gold
Prawo Dżungli and Jungle Jam rip-off Jungle Speed
Narrow is a rip-off of Octiles
Blokád is a rip-off of Blokus
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stagger lee wrote: This is a big shocking, but only because I really didn't think Board Gaming was a lucritive enough business to bootleg. I know there are bootleg Magic Cards and Pokemon... but Board Games? Heck, even DVDs make sense as it is so easy to do... but booting a Board Game is hard work!!
This is what I thought as well. I am actually in China now, and games are pretty hard to come by here, so I'm not sure which city they are referring to.. (I'm in Beijing)
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Joe Norris
United States
Dublin
Ohio
Flight of the seabirds, scattered like lost words, wheel to the storm and fly. Fare thee well now, let your life proceed by it's own design. Nothing to tell now, let the words be yours, I'm done with mine.
To seek the sacred river Alph, to walk the caves of ice, to break my fast on honey dew and drink the milk of paradise... I had heard the whispered tales of immortality, the deepest mystery from an ancient book I took a clue.
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So that's why my $39.95 copy of Spase Howk is of such poor quality!
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John Drake
United States
Midlothian
Virginia
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This surprises me.
I wonder how they managed to create well-crafted counterfeits like these. Oftentimes, with clothing, companies will actually be the true-manufacturers of the product, but then go on making more of the item after the contract (or sell the items on the black market if the parent company rejects the quality of the clothes). This helps explain how these companies create similar products on items that are incredibly diverse (from a production standpoint).
Unless these games were published by Chinese companies, which then went ahead and kept publishing their own version... I really can't see companies out-right copying other games with that level of quality and no "insider knowledge" of making the product.
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John Drake
United States
Midlothian
Virginia
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snicholson wrote: I know how this feels.
One of my scholarly articles was taken by a scholar from India. He published my article under his own name in two different Indian publications. I only found it when I was trying to get tenure, and searching for everything about my work.
His response? "Oh, I tried to acknolwedge you, but it didn't come across in the publishing process."
(Some) People suck.
You should inform whatever university he is working for. I suspect, if he is in academia, that others will mock him relentlessly for his dishonesty (after all... isn't that why people earn phds  ).
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Fischjello
United States
Minnesota
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I have worked with boardgame publishers in the past who would find knock-offs of their games (or game components) on ebay from China, selling to the US and Europe.
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Jason Miller
Canada
Medicine Hat
Alberta
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BaBang wrote: snicholson wrote: I know how this feels.
One of my scholarly articles was taken by a scholar from India. He published my article under his own name in two different Indian publications. I only found it when I was trying to get tenure, and searching for everything about my work.
His response? "Oh, I tried to acknolwedge you, but it didn't come across in the publishing process."
(Some) People suck.
You should inform whatever university he is working for. I suspect, if he is in academia, that others will mock him relentlessly for his dishonesty (after all... isn't that why people earn phds ).
Some countries are a little more lax when it comes to plagiarism. In North America, Europe and other areas of the world, this sort of thing would be grounds for a firin'.
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Chris Cieslik
United States
Boston
Massachusetts
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BaBang wrote: This surprises me.
I wonder how they managed to create well-crafted counterfeits like these. Oftentimes, with clothing, companies will actually be the true-manufacturers of the product, but then go on making more of the item after the contract (or sell the items on the black market if the parent company rejects the quality of the clothes). This helps explain how these companies create similar products on items that are incredibly diverse (from a production standpoint).
Unless these games were published by Chinese companies, which then went ahead and kept publishing their own version... I really can't see companies out-right copying other games with that level of quality and no "insider knowledge" of making the product.
All a board game is, for production, is a handful of PDF (or maybe editable PSD) files and some specifications. So if you're a chinese manufacturer, or an unscrupulous employee at one, all you have to do is sell a flash drive with the files on it -- package up rules in chinese and presto! Instant localization. It's not surprising at all. It is one reason amongst many not to print in China.
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