The Cheng Meister
Australia
Western Australia
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Hi All
Just wanted to make sure we were playing this right.
On your turn, provided you have an apprentice going to the Cathedral, BEFORE you paint a Fresco, you can move the Bishop 1 space in any direction for 1 Thaler - correct?
Also, if you paint multiple Fresco's, after you finish painting the first one, you move the Bishop to that Fresco space. You then can gain more bonus points if you paint a Fresco in an adjacent space.
Correct?
Thanks 
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Steven Metzger
United States
Pullman
Washington
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chengr05 wrote: Hi All Just wanted to make sure we were playing this right. On your turn, provided you have an apprentice going to the Cathedral, BEFORE you paint a Fresco, you can move the Bishop 1 space in any direction for 1 Thaler - correct? Also, if you paint multiple Fresco's, after you finish painting the first one, you move the Bishop to that Fresco space. You then can gain more bonus points if you paint a Fresco in an adjacent space. Correct? Thanks
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Christoph Haeberling
Switzerland
Hinterforst
SG
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Quote: It would have been better of the designer to make the bishop move diagonally up to as many spaces as they could...
Am I missing something? This is not an answer to the questions of the OP.
Quote: On your turn, provided you have an apprentice going to the Cathedral, BEFORE you paint a Fresco, you can move the Bishop 1 space in any direction for 1 Thaler - correct?
Also, if you paint multiple Fresco's, after you finish painting the first one, you move the Bishop to that Fresco space. You then can gain more bonus points if you paint a Fresco in an adjacent space.
Correct?
Yes to both.
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Mik Svellov
Denmark
Copenhagen N
EU
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metzgerism wrote: It would have been better of the designer to make the bishop move diagonally up to as many spaces as they could... That would make the Abbot too powerful and the Sexton less interesting.
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Nick Fisk
United Kingdom
Stoke on Trent
Staffordshire
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chengr05 wrote: Also, if you paint multiple Fresco's, after you finish painting the first one, you move the Bishop to that Fresco space. You then can gain more bonus points if you paint a Fresco in an adjacent space. Correct? Thanks
I would also add:
Quote:
Also, if you paint multiple Fresco's, after you finish painting the first one, you move the Bishop to that Fresco space. You then can gain more bonus points if you paint a Fresco in an adjacent space, or move the Bishop again paying another Thaler .
N.
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Mik Svellov
Denmark
Copenhagen N
EU
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The rules already says: "...before restoring any segment..."
(emphasis mine).
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Doobermite
United States
Chester County
Pennsylvania
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Quote: The rules already says: "...before restoring any segment..."
We play that you can move the bishop for each restoration. So if I have 2 guys in the cathedral I can pay 1 coin, move the bishop and restore a section, then do it again - pay, move, restore.
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KAS
United States
Arlington
Virginia
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This is another place in the rules where the wording is a bit ambiguous. The rules state:
Quote: Before restoring any segment of the fresco, the player may move the bishop once only 1 space in any direction (vertically, horizontally or diagonally) by paying 1 Thaler to the community supply.
The use of the word "any segment", instead of "each segment" could be interpreted to only permit the movement of the bishop once per player instead of once per restoration. I don't think this was the intent but I do not know for sure.
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Mik Svellov
Denmark
Copenhagen N
EU
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kneumann wrote: This is another place in the rules where the wording is a bit ambiguous. The rules state: Quote: Before restoring any segment of the fresco, the player may move the bishop once only 1 space in any direction (vertically, horizontally or diagonally) by paying 1 Thaler to the community supply. The use of the word "any segment", instead of "each segment" could be interpreted to only permit the movement of the bishop once per player instead of once per restoration. I don't think this was the intent but I do not know for sure.
Sure you do. If the intent has been to only use the Bishop for the FIRST segment, the rules would have emphasized that.
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KAS
United States
Arlington
Virginia
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Great Dane wrote: Sure you do. If the intent has been to only use the Bishop for the FIRST segment, the rules would have emphasized that.
So you feel that the rules for this part are clearly worded and not ambiguous? The OP seems to not have not been sure and I also agree that they are open for interpretation and think this sentence could have been better worded. For example, why is the word "once" used at all in the sentence I quoted above? Wouldn’t "only one space" have been better? The addition of the word "once" could be interpreted as adding the emphasis you are referring. Which do you think is more clear: (1) "Before restoring any segment, the player may move the bishop once only 1 space..." or (2) "Before restoring a segment, the player may move the bishop 1 space..."
Also, when you read this after the market rules where a player gets to pick only one market stall to buy tiles from (regardless of the number of tiles they buy), the "move bishop only once per player" interpretation does not seem unreasonable.
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Doobermite
United States
Chester County
Pennsylvania
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Shouldn't each one of your guys have an opportunity to get bonus points by bringing the Bishop closer?
Why would you get bonus points only on the first tile?
Does the Bishop not like the rest of the work?
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You can move the bishop for each restoration. If you have 3 apprentices in the cathedral, you can pay 1 Thaler to move the bishop and restore a section. Then do it again - pay, move, restore - then do it again - pay, move, restore. Otherwise the Sexton (one of the portrait cards) would be too strong.
But according to the sexton there is additionaly one important difference: He can be used only once each round, when working at the cathedral, the player may move the bishop to any place of their choice, paying 1 Thaler (once each round!!! independently of the number of apprentices!!!).
I hope that I could help.
Best regards,
Leonardo77 
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dbmite wrote:
Shouldn't each one of your guys have an opportunity to get bonus points by bringing the Bishop closer?
Why would you get bonus points only on the first tile?
Does the Bishop not like the rest of the work?
...that`s it...
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KAS
United States
Arlington
Virginia
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dbmite wrote:
Shouldn't each one of your guys have an opportunity to get bonus points by bringing the Bishop closer?
Why would you get bonus points only on the first tile?
Does the Bishop not like the rest of the work?
Just to be clear, I think we all agree with what the rule is, but my point is only that the wording could have been more clear. Also, you can only rely on theme so much for guidance when it comes to rules. Even in this game, how do you thematically fit the fact that only one person get to wake up each hour and a stall is shut down after they get a single customer?
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Eric Hymowitz
United States
Elkridge
Maryland
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habchr wrote: Quote: It would have been better of the designer to make the bishop move diagonally up to as many spaces as they could... Am I missing something? This is not an answer to the questions of the OP.
Yes. A chess pun.
habchr wrote: chengr05 wrote: On your turn, provided you have an apprentice going to the Cathedral, BEFORE you paint a Fresco, you can move the Bishop 1 space in any direction for 1 Thaler - correct?
Also, if you paint multiple Fresco's, after you finish painting the first one, you move the Bishop to that Fresco space. You then can gain more bonus points if you paint a Fresco in an adjacent space.
Correct? Yes to both.
Bribe the bishop. Paint a square. Move the bishop to that square.
Repeat as needed for each worker in the "fresco" column.
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J Cale
United States
Syracuse
New York
Overtext coming soon!
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Leonardo77 wrote: I hope that I could help. Leonardo77
I was unsure of this as well, thanks for the clarification.
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The Cheng Meister
Australia
Western Australia
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We also had been playing that you could only move the bishop once BEFORE any segment was painted.
Thanks for the clarification. Now that bishop can get richer and run around a lot 
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Sterling Babcock
United States
Colorado
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Leonardo77 wrote: You can move the bishop for each restoration. If you have 3 apprentices in the cathedral, you can pay 1 Thaler to move the bishop and restore a section. Then do it again - pay, move, restore - then do it again - pay, move, restore. Otherwise the Sexton (one of the portrait cards) would be too strong. Thank you very much for the clarification. We were playing it wrong, moving it only once.
But I am still confused:
hymie wrote: Bribe the bishop. Paint a square. Move the bishop to that square.
Repeat as needed for each worker in the "fresco" column.
So suppose I pay the bishop 1 coin. I move him diagonally to my fresco to paint. I paint it and get points+2. Now, does the Bishop AUTOMATICALLY move ONTO the fresco I painted for FREE? (I did not see this in the rules, but perhaps I missed this.)
Then from what you say, I can pay another coin, move him another diagonal space and paint another fresco for extra points. (We were not playing this right, but now we know.)
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Mik Svellov
Denmark
Copenhagen N
EU
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Solamar wrote: So suppose I pay the bishop 1 coin. I move him diagonally to my fresco to paint. I paint it and get points+2. Now, does the Bishop AUTOMATICALLY move ONTO the fresco I painted for FREE? (I did not see this in the rules, but perhaps I missed this.)
Yes, you must have missed it, Sterling.
It is mentioned at the bottom of page 6, left column:
Quote: he takes the Fresco tile from the board and place it bottom side up in front of him. To finalise the action he places the Bishop on the now empty square.
It is also mentioned in the example at the bottom of the right hand column.
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Sterling Babcock
United States
Colorado
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Thanks, Mik. Ok, so those two things will make moving the Bishop MUCH easier.
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Mik Svellov
Denmark
Copenhagen N
EU
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Solamar wrote: Ok, so those two things will make moving the Bishop MUCH easier. Well, yes and no.
Money is scarce (especially with the übermixed colors) and they are worth points at the end of the game.
And as the Bishop always rush over to admire the latest piece of restauration, players have a tendency of ensuring that the this work was done far away from the work they expect the next player is interested in!
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Spencer Sun
United States
Las Vegas
Nevada
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Sorry to revive an old thread, and also if this has already been answered elsewhere (I did try to search for it first...)
Just to be painfully clear: the rules text for the Sexton says "once each round." A round consists of all 5 actions, yes? So on the final round, you can visit the cathedral twice, but you can only use the sexton in one of those two visits in that final round?
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Mik Svellov
Denmark
Copenhagen N
EU
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zorak_94945 wrote: Sorry to revive an old thread,
Thanks for explaining something I had completely overlooked!
You are absolutely correct!
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