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Indeed.
All prices are raised.

But when your sandwich prices increase by 50% in 3 years. you might start thinking about another lunch, since that is not normal.
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Very true. But GW has been jacking prices to double, tripple, and more from the average or their own early prices since at least the mid 90s.

Other companies have increased costs at a more sane rate on average. A few have even kept prices allmost stable for years. And with figures of comprable or better sculpts.

But then the same could and still can be seen with the CCG biz where some companies were charging up to 8$ for 8 cards. WOTC in particular at various points comes to mind.
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_Kael_ wrote:
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Price rising is normal.
This alone, is a bold statement.

It may be normal to raise prices. But not all price raises are normal.


I've been following news about GW, and in my opinion the current price raising is normal. They make the best models in the industry, bar none. Great plastics, great support, pose-ability, ease of painting, massive range, etc...

It is the other things GW do lately that isn't normal: trade embargo & finecost fail. I lament for WHFB & 40k players in australia and new zealand.
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_Kael_ wrote:

But when your sandwich prices increase by 50% in 3 years. you might start thinking about another lunch, since that is not normal.


I now buy chips

Alas I've looked at the alternatives for GW and they are either not cheaper or there are no like for like options available.

A Proxy/'Counts As' army could be an option but that opens a whole new can of worms; 'Counts As' threads always get shot down on all the 40K Forums.

As for playing other games, well I already do. 40K is just one of the many
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Ugavine wrote:
A Proxy/'Counts As' army could be an option but that opens a whole new can of worms; 'Counts As' threads always get shot down on all the 40K Forums.
One of the reasons I quit the hobby. Many followers seem mindless zombie fanboyz who will not tolerate armies of other producers.
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_Kael_ wrote:
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A Proxy/'Counts As' army could be an option but that opens a whole new can of worms; 'Counts As' threads always get shot down on all the 40K Forums.
One of the reasons I quit the hobby. Many followers seem mindless zombie fanboyz who will not tolerate armies of other producers.


Well, I allow proxy stuff, but when you play at an event or something they don't allow that, so its understandably not just a zombie mindset but an actual company standpoint.
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This hasnt been remotely true since at least 95. Dark Reaper and Heartbreaker were kicking GWs @$$ across the field way back and then Rakham totally obliterated them. Crocodiles been comprable for the last decade and thats just a few examples.

Sevej wrote:

I've been following news about GW, and in my opinion the current price raising is normal. They make the best models in the industry, bar none. Great plastics, great support, pose-ability, ease of painting, massive range, etc...
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SJBenoist wrote:
So, if GW is dropping metal all together, does that mean the older sculpts sold through Specialist Games will be going extinct?

Is this the end of Blood Bowl figure availability?



Didn't think about that, its possible they may move the specialist to resin as well.
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Weapon wrote:
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A Proxy/'Counts As' army could be an option but that opens a whole new can of worms; 'Counts As' threads always get shot down on all the 40K Forums.
One of the reasons I quit the hobby. Many followers seem mindless zombie fanboyz who will not tolerate armies of other producers.
Well, I allow proxy stuff, but when you play at an event or something they don't allow that, so its understandably not just a zombie mindset but an actual company standpoint.
Company standpoint? I can understand that if you play in a GW store. Anyone making a fuzz about it anywhere else qualifies for my definition. In my opinion.

But as said. It was just one reason. The point inflation (meaning you needed lots more models to fill a 2000 point army), quirky rules, rules upgrade upon rules upgrade, and extreme price raises were others.

I still look appreciative at my painted models. But the love for playing WFB is gone.
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MOTHDevil wrote:
I remember being able to buy metal D&D minis for about $1.25 a pop.


Me too, earlier today from http://megaminis.com/.

Their per miniature price is less that this in their bulk packs but higher individually. They were even cheaper a couple of years back when I last bought some miniatures from them (25mm miniatures under $1 each). The miniatures are nice. The detail is decent and sufficient but not the best in the business. But for the price, I don't care -- I can add detail with my painting.

Best of all for someone like me living half way around the world, postage is free once you reach a minimum spend and cheap even before that. I'm used to paying 50% - 120% of the cost price of gaming materials in shipping alone. And that is still cheaper than buying locally


To avoid sounding like an advertisement, I've no financial or other interest in the company. I will say, however, that I'm a very satisfied customer who has purchased multiple hundreds of miniatures from them.


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This hasnt been remotely true since at least 95. Dark Reaper and Heartbreaker were kicking GWs @$$ across the field way back and then Rakham totally obliterated them. Crocodiles been comprable for the last decade and thats just a few examples.

Sevej wrote:

I've been following news about GW, and in my opinion the current price raising is normal. They make the best models in the industry, bar none. Great plastics, great support, pose-ability, ease of painting, massive range, etc...


Okay, do they have any of the points I wrote (and some more?)?
Great plastics?
Great support?
Pose-ability?
Ease of painting (and assembly)?
Massive range?

I believe both Heartbreaker and Rackham are gone now, and that proves something.

As far as I know, only some companies come close: Mantic, Perry Miniatures, Warlord Games, and recently Privateer Press.

Of course if you know something that I don't, it's always a GREAT news that there's other companies sharing those traits.

Great sculpt is not everything.

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To avoid sounding like an advertisement, I've no financial or other interest in the company. I will say, however, that I'm a very satisfied customer who has purchased multiple hundreds of miniatures from them.

Thank you for pointing them, I'm always interested in the off-the-beaten-path companies that very often make extremely characterful minis.

EDIT: Wow, their range is extremely extensive and very affordable (both price & shipping) to boot!
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Sevej wrote:
EDIT: Wow, their range is extremely extensive and very affordable (both price & shipping) to boot!


Yes, they've got the old Grenadier moulds I believe which are fairly easy to paint and rather nice old D&D style. Plus, there are new miniatures every month or so which are often worth a look.

Sadly, I've not been painting much over the last year and a half :-(


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Ahh that's right. I keep forgetting that some people play in actual GW shops where denial of other species of compnies is standard form.


When they launched their new range of paints I dropped in to a local shop when I was passing to see what it was all about. I was there during the day on a weekeday so I was the only punter in the shop.

The guy running it was pretty enthusiastic and ran me through the range they were launching and invitied me to drop by some time and try 'em.

I mentioned I wasn't really painting any of their stuff but was part way through an (ongoing) effort to paint up Crusader Miniatures Seven Years War Austrians and asked could I bring in a few hussars to try the new paints.

The GW guy looked at once nervous and embarassed and said it would be okay with him, but more than his job was worth if someone from head office heard that he was allowing non-GW stuff to be painted in a GW shop - even though GW had no competing products at all in that area.

Not sure if this is a good model (non but ours) or a bit silly and shortsighted. I suggest it is unlikely in the extreme that I'd influence any of their regulars to foresake 40K or WHFB for the glamour of the Seven Years War. Then again, you never know....
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GW's been like that for quite a while now. And they treat the shop staff worse than dirt too.
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GW's been like that for quite a while now. And they treat the shop staff worse than dirt too.


Yeah, in the time since I posted this the GW shop back near my hometown has gone through like 3 managers fired for silly reasons. I just finished painting some GW models tonight, but I've stuck with what I have, haven't really purchased anything since the price increases (they just increased again actually). I did pick some things up on clearance recently, but that was more because of my FLGS than GW in any way.
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I personally don't have a problem with GW not wanting other companies models in their shops. You don't go to a restaurant then eat your Mcdonalds, it's just rude.

GW products are not cheap, and a few recent models such as the Dark Angels speeder are silly prices. Fortunately I collect Orks and the Dakkajet is a bargain. But I've not seen any models on the market that much cheaper, especially none that I like, and I've seen plenty that cost more.

And I really don't see the difference with GW and other big brand names like Burger King, Nike, Microsoft, Calvin Klein etc. that sell their products for inflated prices.
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...At least when I BBQ my own hamburger in my back yard and post a picture with "Mmmmm, nice hamburger", Burger King won't sent me a C&D letter for it.

Which is exactly what GW did to a friend of mine, who designed and 3D printed his own steam tank in a scale which is not sold.
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Ugavine wrote:
I personally don't have a problem with GW not wanting other companies models in their shops. You don't go to a restaurant then eat your Mcdonalds, it's just rude.


Not really a good comparison. The GW guy was trying to push the new paint range to a non-GW painter and offered a trial usage in the shop, but only for their stuff, which I have pretty much no interest in.

It's quite different to going to a steakhouse and bringing your own lobster mornay.

The end result was that they sold none of their new paint to a potential customer.

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And I really don't see the difference with GW and other big brand names like Burger King, Nike, Microsoft, Calvin Klein etc. that sell their products for inflated prices.


Well, in a funny sort of way this has worked for me as I have sold off a lot of GW stuff I'll never get around to painting or playing with (so many better miniatures out there, so many better rules systems) at second hand stalls at local conventions for around 20 to 30 per cent more than I paid for it - even after the convention's commission. I made $1000 at Wintercon and another $800 at Cancon.

The GW pricing policy and people who believe in it has worked out pretty well for me, so please do continue with your vocal support of the 'pay more for less' business model. I still have a few more boxes of GW stuff to clear. cool

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...people view plastic/resin as cheaper than metal, however accurate that is I don't know.

Really, you have no idea how much cheaper plastic is. Whenever that's mentioned, there is a hue and cry raised against the offender, usually about how expensive it is to start plastic moulding. That ship has sailed, however, and those are sunk costs for GW. Over any significant production run, plastic is an order of magnitude cheaper (or more). Did you really think that GW would switch to plastics out of the goodness of their heart? GW goes plastic because it pads their bottom line, maintaining their profit margins as their market-share declines.

Although this is true for GW, I don't think the line about starting up plastics is inaccurate. Each mold is much more expensive for plastics and that's why smaller companies can't go this route. Once you hit the right economy of scale, you pull ahead over time.

I think those claiming GW is slipping away are being unrealistic as I've seen no sign of that in my local game stores, where they still dominate sale and dictate ordering policies through the power of the money they bring in.

Everyone who's been a gamer long enough wants to see GW go away, but they keep sucking in newer players with their well-honed gothic style.
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muzfish4 wrote:
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I personally don't have a problem with GW not wanting other companies models in their shops. You don't go to a restaurant then eat your Mcdonalds, it's just rude.


Not really a good comparison. The GW guy was trying to push the new paint range to a non-GW painter and offered a trial usage in the shop, but only for their stuff, which I have pretty much no interest in.

It's quite different to going to a steakhouse and bringing your own lobster mornay.

The end result was that they sold none of their new paint to a potential customer.


Both my local GW stores provide models for painting tutorials. No requirement to bring your own models in or purchase.

I do think people are being very harsh on GW stores. Or maybe I just have a couple of good ones near me.

I don't know of any other games/model store that lets me go in and test their paints like GW does. Neither do I know of a anywhere where the rep of the model company will give me advice and assistance building and painting my models. Warhammer World allows you to walk in and use their custom tables all day for free. Which other games company does that?

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The GW pricing policy and people who believe in it has worked out pretty well for me, so please do continue with your vocal support of the 'pay more for less' business model. I still have a few more boxes of GW stuff to clear. cool

I don't agree with the 'more for less' policy at all. I just don't think GW are on their own in the games market for high prices.

I'd be more than happy if more people did post similar protests on other forums, maybe BP and Ferrari

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I jumped ship from GW games to Command and Colors. Much cheaper and the emphasis is on playing the game rather than collecting the miniature line.

Wooden blocks and stickers FTW!

Still, it would be cool if there was a Warhammer variant of C&C. If only I could find a copy of Battlelore...


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Pendraig wrote:

I jumped ship from GW games to Command and Colors. Much cheaper and the emphasis is on playing the game rather than collecting the miniature line.

Personally I'm too much of a gamer geek to jump ship from any game. I may stop playing it for years at a time, but I don't jump ship, I merely play something else.
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Ugavine wrote:
Pendraig wrote:

I jumped ship from GW games to Command and Colors. Much cheaper and the emphasis is on playing the game rather than collecting the miniature line.

Personally I'm too much of a gamer geek to jump ship from any game. I may stop playing it for years at a time, but I don't jump ship, I merely play something else.


Perhaps jump ship was a bit of a hasty description. I guess I go where the gaming winds take me. If I had the time, dosh and resources I'd surely have a bash at most games!
GW games require more financial commitment than I'm willing or able to give. And more space needed to play 'em than I have available!
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I've just recently started purchasing their Hobbit models. I like them very much, but am put off by the high price of their plastics.

While I won't stop purchasing things from time to time, it will decrease the amount I purchase.

A shame, really.
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I've just recently started purchasing their Hobbit models. I like them very much, but am put off by the high price of their plastics.

While I won't stop purchasing things from time to time, it will decrease the amount I purchase.

A shame, really.

The prices of The Hobbit line did stop me from trying that game too.

But I'm still determined to get one of their gaming boards (too lazy & incompetent to make my own), but my household income has dropped recently so that's on the back-burner.

Last year my hobby was taken over by Heroclix. But that's something I plan on slowing down on. Trying to keep up with every set of that makes GW seem like a thrift store
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