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John Barry
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If you take the -3 cost to place a world in the settle phase, does that apply to both worlds placed w/Improved Logistics?

I assume it does not count between phases (if you chose settle, settle in 2p Advanced)

What about discarding a Green good w/Golden Age of terraforming? Does that last for both Improved Logistics worlds placed? Does it last for the next settle phase in 2p advanced when settle, settle is picked? If not, can you play it a second time (assuming you have a green good) and get the discount for the following settle phase?
 
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Ross G.
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For both benefits, they do apply to the improved logistics settle, but not to a second settle phase in 2p advanced. You may activate the discard power again in the second phase to get the benefit in that phase as well.
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GoingTharn wrote:
If you take the -3 cost to place a world in the settle phase, does that apply to both worlds placed w/Improved Logistics?
And to be clear: If you choose Prestige Settle, you don't choose either -3 cost or +2 military -- you get both (in the case where you want to place one of each type of world, or for takeover defense).
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Matthew Hurst
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This doesn't seem consistent. You don't get to draw a second settle bonus card for settling the second world with Improved Logistics; why should you get the -3 bonus twice?
 
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Zen Postman wrote:
This doesn't seem consistent. You don't get to draw a second settle bonus card for settling the second world with Improved Logistics; why should you get the -3 bonus twice?

Because it's the same settle phase. You don't get to draw the bonus twice because the bonus for choosing settle is:
Base rules, page 5 wrote:
Players who chose Settle, as the bonus, draw one card after placing and paying for (or conquering) a world.

So regardless if you settle one or three worlds, you only get to draw one card. But all your military is still useable for the second settle with Improved Logistics, including the Prestige bonus.

Ed:...and discounts too (including, but not limited to, Alpha Centauri, GAoT, Gem Smugglers, the Prestige bonus, etc.)
 
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Turbine2k5 wrote:
[q="Zen Postman"]This doesn't seem consistent. You don't get to draw a second settle bonus card for settling the second world with Improved Logistics; why should you get the -3 bonus twice?

Because it's the same settle phase. You don't get to draw the bonus twice because the bonus for choosing settle is:
Base rules, page 5]Players who chose Settle, as the bonus, draw one card after placing and paying for (or conquering) a world.[/q wrote:

So regardless if you settle one or three worlds, you only get to draw one card. But all your military is still useable for the second settle with Improved Logistics, including the Prestige bonus.

Ed:...and discounts too (including, but not limited to, Alpha Centauri, GAoT, Gem Smugglers, the Prestige bonus, etc.)


The real tricky part is that, unlike the Settle phase bonus, the bonus card draw from cards like Terraforming Robots does apply to each world you settle.
 
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Zen Postman wrote:
This doesn't seem consistent. You don't get to draw a second settle bonus card for settling the second world with Improved Logistics; why should you get the -3 bonus twice?
It's actually the Settle Bonus that breaks the pattern. It got a special ruling with Improved Logistics, probably because it would be too powerful else. I think I remember Tom said this somewhere.
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Turbine2k5 wrote:
Because it's the same settle phase. You don't get to draw the bonus twice because the bonus for choosing settle is:
Base rules, page 5 wrote:
Players who chose Settle, as the bonus, draw one card after placing and paying for (or conquering) a world.
So regardless if you settle one or three worlds, you only get to draw one card. But all your military is still useable for the second settle with Improved Logistics, including the Prestige bonus.
This is not correct (as scwont pointed out). The wording is exactly the same on the Terraforming Robots power and the Settle bonus, but you don't get to draw more cards from the bonus because in the description of the Improved Logistics (and Rebel Sneak Attack) power(s), the rules say "If the player chose Settle, do not draw a Settle bonus for the second world."
 
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borgemik wrote:
Zen Postman wrote:
This doesn't seem consistent. You don't get to draw a second settle bonus card for settling the second world with Improved Logistics; why should you get the -3 bonus twice?
It's actually the Settle Bonus that breaks the pattern.

Correct. The idea is that each player's action selection is roughly worth 1 card (as it is for Develop and Explore+1 (relative to other players)). We didn't want to alter that balance among actions when we introduced Improved Logistics.

Most Settle powers, which are investments that a player must make towards a strategy -- unlike simply choosing a particular phase, do work for the second settle of Improved Logistics.

The exceptions are the Takeover a World powers (as noted in the RvI takeover rules), Colony Ship (which explicitly provides a reduced cost for one world), the Discard to Conquer a non-Military World powers (on Imperium Cloaking Technology and Imperium Invasion Fleet which, like Colony Ship, explicitly affect one world), and the replace world power of Terraforming Engineers (which doesn't interact with any other Settle powers and, thus, can occur only once per Settle phase).
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