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Mark Evans
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It seems legal to continue to repeat the same moves when endgame is near and there are few pieces on the board. This could be done an infinite number of times with no resolution, how is this resolved?
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drmark64 wrote:
It seems legal to continue to repeat the same moves when endgame is near and there are few pieces on the board. This could be done an infinite number of times with no resolution, how is this resolved?

I understand that a semi-official rule is that the same position cannot be repeated three times so that making a move which would cause this to occur is illegal.
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My source is http://www.darkfish.com/checkers/rules.html

Usually, players simply agree to a draw. But if one side will not agree, then for official tournament games, there is either a 40-move rule or a 50-move rule. For example, according to Pask, if 50 moves are made by each side without any captures and without either side advancing a piece to the king row, it's a draw.

Pask also mentions four time repetition of a position as a draw. The player claiming a draw should have a record of the game, if playing in a tournament.
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A. Polaris
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Hi,

Repeating the same exact position 3 times is a draw. So is going 40+ moves (in some tournaments, 50+ moves) without a capture or crowning.

Between good players, this should not happen if one side has a positional or material advantage. In fact, in most positions with a material advantage, such as 3 kings vs. 2 kings, it's possible for the player with more to either trap pieces or force an exchange of pieces to reduce it to something lower, until it eventually reaches 2 vs. 1, a win for the side with 2.
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APolaris wrote:
Between good players, this should not happen if one side has a positional or material advantage. In fact, in most positions with a material advantage, such as 3 kings vs. 2 kings, it's possible for the player with more to either trap pieces or force an exchange of pieces to reduce it to something lower, until it eventually reaches 2 vs. 1, a win for the side with 2.

We played last week and ended up with 3 kings vs 2 kings, but neither of us is a good player, so after moving around for a while we called it a draw....

I was curious if there was some rule we were missing, so came looking here. Yay BGG.
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russ wrote:
APolaris wrote:
Between good players, this should not happen if one side has a positional or material advantage. In fact, in most positions with a material advantage, such as 3 kings vs. 2 kings, it's possible for the player with more to either trap pieces or force an exchange of pieces to reduce it to something lower, until it eventually reaches 2 vs. 1, a win for the side with 2.

We played last week and ended up with 3 kings vs 2 kings, but neither of us is a good player, so after moving around for a while we called it a draw....

I was curious if there was some rule we were missing, so came looking here. Yay BGG.

It's not necessarily a draw, but it sure is tricky. I read a little study of the 3-kings-vs-2-kings endgame in a book I own, so I know the player with 3 kings can force an exchange, then win with 2 vs 1. But it's not quick or intuitive.

I don't know if it works in all board situations either. There could be some board situation where it wouldn't work.
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Patrick Carroll wrote:
I don't know if it works in all board situations either. There could be some board situation where it wouldn't work.


3 vs 2 is always winable in any board situation if the 3 King player knows what he/she is doing. The usual way is to force an exchange; however, the techniques for forcing exchanges are not normally known by novice players. (But they are relatively easy to learn.)

And of course, once you exchange (down to 2 vs 1) wining is relatively easy, even if the 1 king player runs to a double corner. Just need to know the method - again not hard to learn/memorize.

- SK
 
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