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Apparantly Hans im Glueck will release 6 new mini expansions at the Toy fair in Nürnberg Germany next month.
The expansions are:
Die Depeschen des Königs: The cables of the king ???
Die Fähren: The ferries
Die Fluggeräte: The aircrafts
Die Räuber: The robbers
Goldmine
Magier und Hexe: The Magician and the witch
I suspect some of them being official releases of fan-expansions available at CarcassonneCentral.
Die Depeschen des Königs could by By the order of the King.
Goldmine could be Goldmines
Magier und Hexe could be Wizards and witches
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Steve Duff
Canada
Ottawa
Ontario
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Player77 wrote:
"There were lobsters present at the birth of baby Jesus?"
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Gunther Schmidl
Austria
Linz
OÖ
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A "Depesche" is basically a telegram.
EDIT: I propose the new verb "georgelucasing" for running something that's already jumped the shark nuked the fridge catapulted the meeple even further into the ground.
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Scott Wheelock
Canada
Woodstock
New Brunswick
"Nope... back to a good year like 1626 when a good Manhattan cost a mere 24-bucks."
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Jeebus frickin'...
I just bought and organized a Plano box for all my expansions!
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Chris Korfmann
United States
Wilson
North Carolina
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Player77 wrote: I suspect some of them being official releases of fan-expansions available at CarcassonneCentral.
Being a moderator at Carcassonne Central, this is of particular concern for me, especially since our idea sumbissions were turned down. Could they have sunk so low as to steal ideas from their most devoted fan base? I sincerely hope not!
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Stefan Wuttig
Germany
Melsungen
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There is something special with these 6 new mini expansions for Carcassonne.
The combination of all 6 result in a seventh expansion.
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Maybe RGG will release them someday as such indeed.
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Connor Cranston
Netherlands
Nebraska
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Small descriptions from 999Games.....translated:
The Airplanes: the planes fly meeples to different tiles, but where they will land is still unknown!
Newsflash: Players get an extra meeple on the scoreboard, with which they can draw a news-message to gain extra points
Ferries: with the ferries you can connect roads to ferry-docks
Goldmines: collect goldpieces. The more you have, the more they are worth!
Wizards And Witches: The wizard makes you gain points, while the witch cuts them in half!!
Robber: With the robber you can score someone else's points.
◦In Carcassonne: De Vliegtuigen vliegen horigen over andere tegels, maar waar ze precies landen is ongewis.
◦In Carcassonne: Nieuwsberichten krijgen de spelers een extra horige op het scorespoor, waarmee ze soms een nieuwsbericht mogen trekken en extra punten scoren.
◦In Carcassonne: De Veerboten kunnen spelers wegen met veerponten verbinden.
◦In Carcassonne: De Goudmijnen verzamelen de spelers goudstukken. Hoe meer ze er verzamelen, des te meer zijn ze per stuk waard.
◦In Carcassonne: Tovenaar en Heks levert de tovenaar extra punten bij een telling op, terwijl de heks de punten juist halveert.
◦In Carcassonne: De Rovers kunnen spelers meeprofiteren van de eerstvolgende telling van een speler naar keuze.
Sounds interesting.
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ckorfmann wrote: Player77 wrote: I suspect some of them being official releases of fan-expansions available at CarcassonneCentral. Being a moderator at Carcassonne Central, this is of particular concern for me, especially since our idea sumbissions were turned down. Could they have sunk so low as to steal ideas from their most devoted fan base? I sincerely hope not!
Highly doubtful. Instant copyright infringement and litigation. And no leg to stand on. So it won't be that.
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Rodrigo Tjäder
Brazil
Santa Maria
Rio Grande do Sul
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JasonJ0 wrote: ckorfmann wrote: Being a moderator at Carcassonne Central, this is of particular concern for me, especially since our idea sumbissions were turned down. Could they have sunk so low as to steal ideas from their most devoted fan base? I sincerely hope not! Highly doubtful. Instant copyright infringement and litigation. And no leg to stand on. So it won't be that.
Copyright doesn't cover game ideas. So, unless they used the same artwork it isn't copyright infringement.
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W. Eric Martin
United States
Apex
North Carolina
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Player77 wrote: Maybe RGG will release them someday as such indeed.
Yes, Jay has confirmed he'll do them, with a release date of March/April 2012.
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Eric Greaves
United States
SALEM
Oregon
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These look really cool. I went to Carcassonnecentral and looked up the ones that had the sameish names, goldmines, witch and wizard, order of the king. And it looks like, given the official descriptions, that there are a lot of similarities in the game ideas i.e. witch makes you lose points, wizard gives points. and the King gives a task that needs to get completed. Interesting...
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rodrigotjader wrote: JasonJ0 wrote: ckorfmann wrote: Being a moderator at Carcassonne Central, this is of particular concern for me, especially since our idea sumbissions were turned down. Could they have sunk so low as to steal ideas from their most devoted fan base? I sincerely hope not! Highly doubtful. Instant copyright infringement and litigation. And no leg to stand on. So it won't be that. Copyright doesn't cover game ideas. So, unless they used the same artwork it isn't copyright infringement.
Well I was rather assuming they meant that the work had simply been grabbed and used.
However, you CAN be sued for using someone else's idea that has been in some way submitted to you (claiming for loss of earnings) - happens in Hollywood all the time for movie ideas. Not sure just how far the concept extends, though. That sort of thing doesn't revolve around copyright.
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Carlos Fernandez Calvo
Spain
Valladolid
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Received this image in my newsletter from HiG:
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Quote: The combination of all 6 result in a seventh expansion.
According to HiG, the seventh expansion will be corn circles. Every one of the new mini expansions will include one of the crop circle tiles. I wonder if it will be the same with the Rio Grande version, should there be one, given that they already released the crop circles separately.
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Derek Whaley
United States
Felton
California
Darius I – 73rd Great Khan of the Illustrius Barbarian Horde, Duque San Lorenzo, Marquis de Feltón, Chief of the Zayante, Baron von Whaleyland, Lord Kennedy
Arrgh!
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Thanks for the higher resolution photo. That's awesome that all the icons are printed directly on the boxes. I was wondering if each would be a unique new icon or if the entire box would use the same one.
Concerning Corn Circles, I think RGG will release the same exact thing. They already have the box art released for Carcassonne: Corn Circles, Plague & Tunnels. Corn Circles already released in Germany as a promo in the base game. I'm sure some of those copies are still floating around Germany. In the U.S., there will just be two versions floating around too. I don't see any reason why having two copies of Corn Circles would be bad. It could just as easily be a 12-tile expansion as a 6-tile. Or you could give the second set away to a friend.
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JasonJ0 wrote: rodrigotjader wrote: JasonJ0 wrote: ckorfmann wrote: Being a moderator at Carcassonne Central, this is of particular concern for me, especially since our idea sumbissions were turned down. Could they have sunk so low as to steal ideas from their most devoted fan base? I sincerely hope not! Highly doubtful. Instant copyright infringement and litigation. And no leg to stand on. So it won't be that. Copyright doesn't cover game ideas. So, unless they used the same artwork it isn't copyright infringement. Well I was rather assuming they meant that the work had simply been grabbed and used. However, you CAN be sued for using someone else's idea that has been in some way submitted to you (claiming for loss of earnings) - happens in Hollywood all the time for movie ideas. Not sure just how far the concept extends, though. That sort of thing doesn't revolve around copyright.
From what I understand, board game rules and designs and Hollywood movie ideas are NOT the same. In the US, you could copy someone's game design EXACTLY and reskin it and you would still be acting within the law. How publishers protect themselves is by copyrighting the artwork.
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kingjames01 wrote: JasonJ0 wrote:
Well I was rather assuming they meant that the work had simply been grabbed and used.
However, you CAN be sued for using someone else's idea that has been in some way submitted to you (claiming for loss of earnings) - happens in Hollywood all the time for movie ideas. Not sure just how far the concept extends, though. That sort of thing doesn't revolve around copyright.
From what I understand, board game rules and designs and Hollywood movie ideas are NOT the same. In the US, you could copy someone's game design EXACTLY and reskin it and you would still be acting within the law. How publishers protect themselves is by copyrighting the artwork.
Well, I didn't mean the rules (well aware of how copyright works), I meant the concept - that's what happened with Avatar, for example. Although it may only be possible if you have some sort of working agreement, not just if you submit the stuff to someone.
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I can´t wait for the pictures of the tiles. And of course for the rules.
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Ben Prevas
United States
Lutherville-Timonium
Maryland
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JasonJ0 wrote: rodrigotjader wrote: JasonJ0 wrote: ckorfmann wrote: Being a moderator at Carcassonne Central, this is of particular concern for me, especially since our idea sumbissions were turned down. Could they have sunk so low as to steal ideas from their most devoted fan base? I sincerely hope not! Highly doubtful. Instant copyright infringement and litigation. And no leg to stand on. So it won't be that. Copyright doesn't cover game ideas. So, unless they used the same artwork it isn't copyright infringement. Well I was rather assuming they meant that the work had simply been grabbed and used. However, you CAN be sued for using someone else's idea that has been in some way submitted to you (claiming for loss of earnings) - happens in Hollywood all the time for movie ideas. Not sure just how far the concept extends, though. That sort of thing doesn't revolve around copyright.
You'd have to have prove that you lost earnings to get damages for loss of earnings. You don't get that based on strict hypotheticals.
You also have the complicating factor that multiple production companies are involved here, so you'd have to determine if the originator of these expansions was invovled in reviewing those submissions.
You also would have to consider the "clean-hands" argument based on the fact that fan-expansions could be considered derivatives (to whatever extent copyright may be involved here) of the Carcassone IP; if the creators borrowed the IP from Carcassone without permission, then they can't complain when Carcassone borrows back. Courts love to shoot down lawsuits for violating the clean-hands principle.
This would be significantly more of a grey-area than you suggest.
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The more significant (and non-legal) issue here would be the customer-relations impact. I don't know any of the details involved with the submissions or their similarities to these expansions, so I don't know what that would be. It likely wouldn't impact my purchase decision in any event (which would more likely be based on reliable, objective reviews of the game mechanics and whether these expansions are gimmiky likely to hit the table frequently).
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W. Eric Martin
United States
Apex
North Carolina
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paulhunter wrote: I can´t wait for the pictures of the tiles. And of course for the rules.
No tile images yet, but I've updated the description for each of the six mini-expansions.
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Scott Wheelock
Canada
Woodstock
New Brunswick
"Nope... back to a good year like 1626 when a good Manhattan cost a mere 24-bucks."
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W Eric Martin wrote: No tile images yet, but I've updated the description for each of the six mini-expansions.
Well, I'm pleasantly surprised. They all sound innovative and fun to use, and are definitely going on my wishlist.
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Chris Korfmann
United States
Wilson
North Carolina
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Well, I do like what I'm seeing. While it's still possible that the original idea may have originated from expansions made by fans at Carcassonne Central, the descrptions are not similar to those on that site.
I'm not superstitious and I never gave a second thought to the whole Mayan calander 2012 thing, but dice in a Carcassonne expansion??? It just might be the end of the world!
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Derek Whaley
United States
Felton
California
Darius I – 73rd Great Khan of the Illustrius Barbarian Horde, Duque San Lorenzo, Marquis de Feltón, Chief of the Zayante, Baron von Whaleyland, Lord Kennedy
Arrgh!
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ckorfmann wrote: but dice in a Carcassonne expansion??? It just might be the end of the world!
Perhaps. I was unexpectedly excited about the prospect. I also hope they are standard-sized dice as having dice with double 1s, 2s, and 3s would be pretty cool.
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W. Eric Martin
United States
Apex
North Carolina
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Whaleyland wrote: ckorfmann wrote: but dice in a Carcassonne expansion??? It just might be the end of the world! Perhaps. I was unexpectedly excited about the prospect. I also hope they are standard-sized dice as having dice with double 1s, 2s, and 3s would be pretty cool.
From what I saw, the die (singular) has square pips and not numbers. That could just be a filler image, however...
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