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Dear Tom (and some other reviewers, but especially Tom that has a production on a completely different scale),

As much as I enjoy your reviews there are certain things you do that drives me to distraction. Please please bear these in mind:

* Etcetera is pronounced eT--Set-Era. There is no X or K in the beginning of the word. This seems to be a common mispronunciation stemming from a common misspelling of the abbreviation "etc." as "ect."

* It is "caValry", not "caLvary". CaValry is mounted troops while caLvary is an extreme suffering or mental anguish, often of an religious nature as of Jesus on the cross, which incidentally is what I suffer when people mispronounce the two above words.

Please do not write these off as dialectal differences. They are not: they are blatant and painful mistakes that removed attention from your actual message and reduce the impact of what you're trying to convey.


Bonus griefs:

* All currency in games cannot collectively be called "dollars", and it is especially silly do to so in fantasy games with gold coins.

* There is no U in the second syllable of nuclear. Not even in the US American dialect of English.


I look forward to more reviews! Thanks for the great work!
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I dunno ... all the things you've mentioned give Tom's reviews a very personal note, don't they?

Especially the "Dollar" thing (which is the only thing I've noticed) meeple
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Mikademus wrote:
* There is no U in nuclear. Not even in the US American dialect of English.


I think there is.
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Nope, no U. That pronunciation is a metathesis (sound mangling), that is, a switching of two adjacent sounds, and considered highly substandard. It has actually gotten into some dictionaries lately simply because of its sheer persistence though (though Merriam-Webster lists it with a note saying it is considered questionable or unacceptable). Read more of it here, f.i.:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/20...

There is actually an entire WP article dedicated to the bloody mongrel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucular


Interesting source of other common mispronunciations. Especially confusing "upmost" and "utmost" is annoying :D

http://www.alphadictionary.com/articles/mispronounced_words....

EDIT:

Argh! I am so stupid. Yeah yeah, there is a U in nUclear! Lol, thanks! :selfslap: But you get my point...
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Just a "did you consider?" - that maybe an occasional mispronunciation is there because refilming an entire 3 minute segment EVERY time you screw up would make reviews even more time consuming than they already are? Doing reviews for The Dice Tower I know this from experience.

It is especially hard when filming with two reviewers. If my brother says "calvary" it might annoy me, but not as much as starting over.
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I probably would have PM'd him, rather than putting his name in the title of the thread.
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benevolentweasl wrote:
Just a "did you consider?" - that maybe an occasional mispronunciation is there because refilming an entire 3 minute segment EVERY time you screw up would make reviews even more time consuming than they already are?


Actually, I did. I have been growing increasingly frustrated with his consistent habit over the last two years, and now I needed to vent. I like the reviews and appreciate the effort that goes into them and at the same time wish I didn't have to wince every two minutes (in some reviews not a hyperbole) since "exetera" is one of Tom's most common expressions in them.
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Mikademus wrote:
Dear Tom (and some other reviewers, but especially Tom that has a production on a completely different scale),

As much as I enjoy your reviews there are certain things you do that drives me to distraction. Please please bear these in mind:

* Etcetera is pronounced eT--Set-Era. There is no X or K in the beginning of the word. This seems to be a common mispronunciation stemming from a common misspelling of the abbreviation "etc." as "ect."

* It is "caValry", not "caLvary". CaValry is mounted troops while caLvary is an extreme suffering or mental anguish, often of an religious nature as of Jesus on the cross, which incidentally is what I suffer when people mispronounce the two above words.

Please do not write these off as dialectal differences. They are not: they are blatant and painful mistakes that removed attention from your actual message and reduce the impact of what you're trying to convey.


Bonus griefs:

* All currency in games cannot collectively be called "dollars", and it is especially silly do to so in fantasy games with gold coins.

* There is no U in the second syllable of nuclear. Not even in the US American dialect of English.



Always be careful with such public criticism. You never know when someone else might start pointing out errors in pronoun use, sentence structure, verb tense, and pluralization.

Just saying.
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I understand the complaint; whether I would have posted publicly or not is another matter. However, since it is now open for discussion, I will just say that Tom has attained a high level of expectation around here for his review of games. For many he is the go-to reviewer. And he does it enough that on some level he can be considered a "professional", or at least that he targets a professional level with his reviews. And part of being a professional presenter (of anything, really) is to present as correctly as you possibly can. This includes correctly pronouncing commonly mis-pronounced words. It is fair to encourage Tom to be mindful of this, and to strive to ever improve.
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I think Tom does a superior job, kudo's for his reviews, and to those who take the time, energy and money it takes to do them. The nice part of Tube and other media is they allow you to post being there for the enjoyment of others. I find it easy to overlook flaws since I am not the producer of these infomercials and I know my own imperfections,I mispronounce way more words and some have become great family fun as now my grandchildren try to get me to change pronunciations I have made for about 50+ years which make me, me.
So Tom and others, do what you do, and thanks for the free information
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LennyS wrote:
I understand the complaint; whether I would have posted publicly or not is another matter. However, since it is now open for discussion, I will just say that Tom has attained a high level of expectation around here for his review of games. For many he is the go-to reviewer. And he does it enough that on some level he can be considered a "professional", or at least that he targets a professional level with his reviews. And part of being a professional presenter (of anything, really) is to present as correctly as you possibly can. This includes correctly pronouncing commonly mis-pronounced words. It is fair to encourage Tom to be mindful of this, and to strive to ever improve.

I think a difference between Tom and other public figures is that any BGG user could PM Tom and he would probably read it.
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Mikademus wrote:
Not even in the US American dialect of English.


Dear Mike Adachi,

It's American or US, not US American!

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Aenea wrote:
Mikademus wrote:
Not even in the US American dialect of English.


Dear Mike Adachi,

It's American or US, not US American!



Unless it is: us Americans speak that way.

Etc., Etc., Etc. I think we all learned how to say this from watching 'The King and I.'

I have always pronounced the 'l' in cal...valry for how else would the horse(s) have legs to stand upon.


Edit...an l not an I
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ldohrebl wrote:
Aenea wrote:
Mikademus wrote:
Not even in the US American dialect of English.


Dear Mike Adachi,

It's American or US, not US American!



Unless it is: us Americans speak that way.

Etc., Etc., Etc. I think we all learned how to say this from watching 'The King and I.'

I have always pronounced the 'l' for how else would the horse(s) have a leg to stand upon.



But when a Swede says US American I presume he did not mean 'us'
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Those mistakes I can forgive, and I would also like to thank Tom for an excellent product; but I've noticed that he consistently pronounces its with an apostrophe, and once I was pretty sure I heard him mix up your and you're.
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Mikademus wrote:
Not even in the US American dialect of English.


Just a small peccadillo...

There are quite a few American dialects displaying a wide variety of phonological rules.

Your examples, however, would not be explained away by these differences. I'm just noting that there's more than one dialect in the US.
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Mikademus wrote:
* All currency in games cannot collectively be called "dollars", and it is especially silly do to so in fantasy games with gold coins.


What about calling all currency "money's?"
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All currency in games cannot collectively be called "dollars", and it is especially silly do to so in fantasy games with gold coins.

In the US we have Twenty Dollar Gold pieces, which, today, are worth thousands of dollars, not just twenty dollars, so a gold piece for us Yanks could be dollars...the coin shop a few doors up from us explained how some gold coins are called dollars...
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All currency in games cannot collectively be called "dollars", and it is especially silly do to so in fantasy games with gold coins.

In the US we have Twenty Dollar Gold pieces, which, today, are worth thousands of dollars, not just twenty dollars, so a gold piece for us Yanks could be dollars...the coin shop a few doors up from us explained how some gold coins are called dollars...


Oh, snap!!!!
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Redward wrote:
javapuzzles wrote:
All currency in games cannot collectively be called "dollars", and it is especially silly do to so in fantasy games with gold coins.

In the US we have Twenty Dollar Gold pieces, which, today, are worth thousands of dollars, not just twenty dollars, so a gold piece for us Yanks could be dollars...the coin shop a few doors up from us explained how some gold coins are called dollars...


Oh, snap!!!!


Nah, in a fantasy setting there is a big chance that they won't be called dollars no matter the facts that a gold coin existed in the US or that some other gold coins where called that...
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Redward wrote:
javapuzzles wrote:
All currency in games cannot collectively be called "dollars", and it is especially silly do to so in fantasy games with gold coins.

In the US we have Twenty Dollar Gold pieces, which, today, are worth thousands of dollars, not just twenty dollars, so a gold piece for us Yanks could be dollars...the coin shop a few doors up from us explained how some gold coins are called dollars...


Oh, snap!!!!



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LennyS wrote:
Redward wrote:
javapuzzles wrote:
All currency in games cannot collectively be called "dollars", and it is especially silly do to so in fantasy games with gold coins.

In the US we have Twenty Dollar Gold pieces, which, today, are worth thousands of dollars, not just twenty dollars, so a gold piece for us Yanks could be dollars...the coin shop a few doors up from us explained how some gold coins are called dollars...


Oh, snap!!!!





Nice!

I dig that chart, it really flows...
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Mikademus wrote:
Not even in the US American dialect of English.


Dear Mike Adachi,

It's American or US, not US American!



I think he used US American because Canada, Mexico, and all the central/southern american countries are also technically "American..." though we don't really say Canadians are American, because "American" is used in place of saying US citizen... so I can see how someone not from this continent might find the need to differentiate.
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horfrost3 wrote:
Aenea wrote:
Mikademus wrote:
Not even in the US American dialect of English.


Dear Mike Adachi,

It's American or US, not US American!



I think he used US American because Canada, Mexico, and all the central/southern american countries are also technically "American..." though we don't really say Canadians are American, because "American" is used in place of saying US citizen... so I can see how someone not from this continent might find the need to differentiate.


So does that make the language I speak Canadian American?
It also logically follows then, that the language he speaks is Swedish European...

I think some people need to learn how to lighten up, worrying about such trifles will take years off one's life. shake
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von wildensee wrote:
So does that make the language I speak Canadian American? :what:
It also logically follows then, that the language he speaks is Swedish European...


For sure, you probably speak a Canadian dialect of English. I myself speak a Swedish dialect/derivative of the now non-existing proto-Germanic language, which I guess might make it Swedish (Indo-)European.

Cheers!
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