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http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/984756/the-brutality-notdayb...

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I just read through your character changes and I have to say for the most part they are just so much better than the originals, whom suffer from a very wide power discrepancy.

Lots of good rules tweaks as well. Especially the boost to Weapons Control and Research Lab, which get no love.

The Pegasus tweak is another nice one, -1 to all resources not in the red zone.

If you don't mind I'm going to steal some of the tweaks for my variant games.

Great work!
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Good job!

I really like the latest changes and I'm curious to see how the new characters will work out.
 
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Vollick1979 wrote:

The Pegasus tweak is another nice one, -1 to all resources not in the red zone.


I especially liked this as a Cylon whistle

And I think that's the best fix for Blind Jump so far. Going to steal even more stuff from this.
 
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Some of these images are outdated. Refer to the opening post for the updated versions - this post will be updated once everything is finalised.


President
1. Laura Roslin
2. Gaius Baltar
3. Tom Zarek
4. Tory Foster
5. Billy Keikeya
6. Ellen Tigh
7. Lee “Apollo” Adama
8. Felix Gaeta
9. William Adama
10. Karl “Helo” Agathon
11. “Chief” Galen Tyrol
12. Callandra “Cally” Tyrol
13. Diana "Hardball" Seelix
14. Helena Cain*
15. Anastasia “Dee” Dualla
16. Sharon “Boomer” Valerii
17. Kendra Shaw
18. Saul Tigh
19. Samuel T. Anders
20. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson
21. Kara “Starbuck” Thrace
22. Louanne “Kat” Katraine


Admiral
1. Helena Cain
2. William Adama
3. Saul Tigh
4. Kendra Shaw
5. Karl “Helo” Agathon
6. Felix Gaeta
7. Lee “Apollo” Adama
8. Anastasia “Dee” Dualla
9. Kara “Starbuck” Thrace
10. Louanne “Kat” Katraine
11. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson
12. Sharon “Boomer” Valerii
13. Samuel T. Anders
14. Diana "Hardball" Seelix
15. “Chief” Galen Tyrol
16. Callandra “Cally” Tyrol
17. Tom Zarek
18. Ellen Tigh
19. Gaius Baltar
20. Tory Foster
21. Laura Roslin
22. Billy Keikeya


CAG
1. Lee “Apollo” Adama
2. Kara “Starbuck” Thrace
3. Louanne “Kat” Katraine
4. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson
5. Sharon “Boomer” Valerii
6. Samuel T. Anders
7. Karl “Helo” Agathon
8. Diana "Hardball" Seelix
9. William Adama
10. Helena Cain
11. Saul Tigh
12. Kendra Shaw
13. Felix Gaeta
14. Anastasia “Dee” Dualla
15. “Chief” Galen Tyrol
16. Callandra “Cally” Tyrol
17. Tom Zarek
18. Ellen Tigh
19. Gaius Baltar
20. Tory Foster
21. Laura Roslin
22. Billy Keikeya


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I appreciate that you stay close to the characters as written, but I am less enthusiastic about the proposed changes. For instance, changing Roslin's Terminal Illness because it is too harsh -- Roslin is the most powerful character in the game, and you make her even more powerful! Her original Illness does make her not so easy to play for novices, but I like it that a character is forced to make hard choices. The same thing holds for several other changes that you propose. Then again, some of your proposals make a lot of senses: I hate Tory as a character in Exodus because she is boring but has an idiotic amount of power, but your changes make her much more entertaining.

One of the things I would really like to see is an official BSG expansion that consists of nothing more than alternate versions of the existing characters, with completely new OPTs, OPGs, and disabilities. I think that could really spice things up, and would allow us to get rid of badly designed characters such as Cain, Cally, Tory, Ellen, and Anders.
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I actually think they were doing a decent job with the characters (besides Cain) until Exodus, where they kinda dropped the ball. Multiple times.
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markino wrote:
I actually think they were doing a decent job with the characters (besides Cain) until Exodus, where they kinda dropped the ball. Multiple times.

I have no idea what you mean.
I'll be honest, I've paid attention to all your character updates, but they have never really thrilled me. I think you and I come from 2 different schools of thought on the game. I like having a mix of low-power, low-drawback characters and sometimes I like my high-power, high-drawback characters. I don't think you have any really weak characters, but that is not a terrible thing. Good luck.
PS, I may actually play around with your Billy in Schmloof's game, just because we lack a politician there and I'm slot 5. I'll let you know how he plays.
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Didn't Billy used to have that when President's Office is activated, draw two Quorum, then you may play one?

I think this is a bit too powerful for a OPT. If Billy's President, he can add 3 Quorum cards per turn, plus send a fourth to the bottom of the deck.

Would Quorum card die rolls count as part of his weakness? Or does directly mean only if the location actually says "Roll a die"?
 
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I get what you mean, but the old Billy was even better! An XO to the President could result in two cards played AND two cards added into the Quorum hand, which is even better than drawing an extra card once per turn.

But I get what you mean. I've made it less powerful if Billy is the President.
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Definately nice developments. I'll have to show off my own on here sometime :)
 
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I told you Billy was still OP!
 
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Oh right, another thing about Billy - his Skill Draw. I'm assuming you don't care about making sure they don't overlap, but I don't think he deserves 3 Politics or 2 Leadership thematically.

I'd probably give him 2 Politics, 1 Leadership, and 2 Tactics. I'd accept 3 Politics but there's no way he'd get 2 Leadership. And he is Tactical - he has plans in some episodes, including his last one, even if they didn't exactly pan out.
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Bad plans count as plans now? Baltar should draw 3 Tactics then.

Honestly, I'd see Billy being 3 Politics, 1 Leadership... except that I can't just make him only draw 4 cards for no reason. I'd make him 3/1/1 but I don't want him overlapping with Tory (I'd rather him overlap with Roslin, as a double-colour character). Your suggestion of 2/1/2 would also make him overlap with Zarek. Does Billy ever lift a wrench? Probably not. What a one-dimensional guy he is.
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Engineering? Personally I'd consider him Support over Political Leader since he can't lead anything, but giving him engineering would be kind of contrived.
 
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2 pol, 2 leadership, 1 pol/tac?
3 pol, 1 leadership, 1 tac/eng?
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You could give him a 4 card draw if you gave back the thing about drawing a card when using EPA.
 
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schmloof wrote:
3 pol, 1 leadership, 1 tac/eng

All right let's roll with that. Not the most thematic, but nothing would make perfect sense with Billy, so.
 
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markino wrote:
schmloof wrote:
3 pol, 1 leadership, 1 tac/eng

All right let's roll with that. Not the most thematic, but nothing would make perfect sense with Billy, so.


Oh God I started to read his entry on Battlestar Wiki to try to give him a reason to have Engineering, and came across these gems:

Quote:
"Despite his dubious mathematical aptitude..."

"...he unknowingly makes a call for help on an open channel. "
'

I have found no redeeming factors.
 
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Someone talk to David. We need a new skill deck called "Ineptitude".

But yeah, this is a problem.
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In the fastest flip-flop ever, excluding Mitt Romney, OK I don't need this to be RSPed I have decided to revert Billy back to 3/2. Better to draw too much of something than to draw between two skills, neither of which you deserve.
 
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Hmm Ineptitude?
How about 35 copies of

1-Slippery Slope: Movement or Action: Draw 2 more Ineptitude cards.

If the current player is a Cylon, Ineptitude cards count as positive, otherwise they count negative.

Also, did I mention someone made a fan expansion called Daybreak long ago?
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a) He was always called Billy
b) I like this picture because it's got Billy being typically dumbfounded
c) For my game, I think I'll make Billy have a Tory draw, since he's equally inept at Leadership and Tactics. Jared, chime in when you wake up? Meanwhile, I have World Cup qualifying to watch.
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Yeah, but I like Daybreak (I actually like "Islanded in a Stream of Stars" or "Truths in the Stream" more, but too long, too long) and someone who hasn't logged in for a year isn't going to care. Whatever.

Maybe 3/1.5/0.5. This is so dumb haha.
 
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Islands in the Stream?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ckahLWRgY&t=1m0s

or perhaps you may know the updated version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=969ANF3GCX8
 
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