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Mauricio Vives
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Is there is summary of rules changes in the 2nd edition? I thought for sure it would be in the new rulebook or in a forum post here already, but I don't see anything. (Perhaps there are no changes, just new components?)

Thanks!
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Titouan Guillaume
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Hello!

Here are the changes between V1 and V2, but listed in french:
http://www.asyncron.fr/forum/index.php?s=efdbc1d96c09cd51ad9...
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Mauricio Vives
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MasterTouan wrote:
Hello!

Here are the changes between V1 and V2, but listed in french:
http://www.asyncron.fr/forum/index.php?s=efdbc1d96c09cd51ad9...

Thanks, Google Translate sort of works on it. But I was thinking of the differences with Storms of Steel, rather than the original ATB. I guess I could try to compare the rule books, but I am being relatively lazy. snore
 
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I just use the 2nd Ed rules that were put up for download a long time aga on all three games. Just makes life easier.
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LanceRunolfsson wrote:
I just use the 2nd Ed rules that were put up for download a long time aga on all three games. Just makes life easier.

Thanks. Perhaps I should clarify my question, though... just in case.

It was implied elsewhere (perhaps incorrectly) that ATB 2e has changed the game system (again) in such a way that components between the games are no longer interchangeable. So another way to ask this: do the new rules (however "new" they may be) apply seamlessly to SOS and POH?

Based on your answer, it sounds like it is simply "YES: New rules work with old games. Buy ATB 2e if you want 1941 components and scenarios, and you will have a seamless experience with POH 1939 and SOS 1943."

(I do know that the ATB 2e counters have little markers for the forthcoming solo system, but I am not concerned about that here.)
 
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Mauricio,
The only changes that I know of to the counters are the solo system shapes next to the unit I.D. (Rifle #1, Rifle #2, etc.) and the anti-tank gun front defense ratings are now red instead of blue.

The color change for the guns was for historical accuracy. The gun shields provided more of a psychological benefit that a physical one.

Take care,
Dean
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uwe eickert
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Also, the following updates are in play:
1. Turreted tanks can fire outside of their Arc of Fire for +2APs, not +1AP.
2. Trucks can no longer use bonus moves into a road hex already occupied by another vehicle (congestion).
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1. Turreted tanks can fire outside of their Arc of Fire for +2APs, not +1AP.

That's not in the second edition rulebook.... (page 13 says 1 AP/CAP)
(I got the printed version)
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Jesse LeBreton
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I believe the version that actually went to the printers had +2. The one uploaded here was the version just before that.
 
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Another few changes I can think of between PoH's reference rules and AtB's 2nd ed are new rules for flamethrowers and HE attacks.

Also I convinced Uwe to restrict roadblock building. The problem was two- fold. It was kind of a mismatch to allow roadblock construction while a fight was going on and not allow laying of barbwire as well. It's now more consistent to prevent the building of either. The second problem with roadblocks was that they could be built instead of hasty defenses to actually serve as hasty defenses with better stats. That opened up metagaming. Players could use 7AP to create a roadblock to gain +1DM that did not disappear when a unit pivoted or left the hex.
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Great, thanks all for the clarifications.

So it sounds like the system is changing slightly in a few places, but nothing that invalidates existing components.
 
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Thanks Jesse, I forgot about the roadblock changes.

So yes, there are very few changes between AtB 2nd Edition and SoS or PoH. And no major changes. So calling it version 2.2 is very accurate. It could also almost be version 2.1.1 (For the really heavy old time war gamers.) LOL.

 
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I Noticed that in the second edition rulebook firing with turrets outside front arc is +1 AP, where the 2nd edition summary sheet says +2 AP. Which one is correct and why does it make for a better gameplay?
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This was quite a debate in-house. It started with Gunter and Jesse and ended with about a dozen others adding additional context and input). A turn is about 5 minutes and in this time a tank will most often face the enemy. For the Germans especially, we felt it was too easy to ignore facing flanking enemy units, since the cost to fire outside of the arc of fire was so low. Historically often inaccurate. Again, the debate for the pros and cons was very even, but we finally felt that the added commander decision requirements enhanced game play.
That being said, I am driving to pick up some copies of the second edition, so that I can make sure that this rule is actually in the 2nd edition printed rule book!!
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Okay so the Rulebook is misprinted and the summarysheet correct with +2AP.
 
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Not necessarily. I'm pretty sure there was a further update to the rulebook after the one uploaded here, like I said above. In that version, the rule should say +2 for turret use. At least I hope so.

Uwe, if this is indeed the case I suggest you replace the rulebook uploaded here with the actual official release.
 
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I got the printed version... it's +1ap there
 
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Thanks for the confirmation. Damn that's to bad that one of the last changes did not go through. In any case, you should consider +2 official since it's on the summary sheet, as pointed out before.
 
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Dang it, I am going to check in the pdf confirmations from the printer to see what happened. I checked and the uploaded file was correct. But it seemed that in the rush to print for Essen, they used an older file.
But the summary sheet, etc is correct and the +1 should be a +2AP for turreted tanks firing outside the arc of fire.
Uwe
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Got the game today. It was a letdown to see that most advertised 'new units' for the v2 edition were not used at all, even in the newly added firefights.

Converting 4 player FF into a 2 player one - the rules say that 6 + 7 = 12 CAPs

Firing outside the FOV for turreted vehicles is +1 in the rules and +2 in the summary sheet.

I really like the boards. They are joy to look at.
 
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This is correct Lukasz. You lose one CAP when combining, since you have more flexibility combined.
I have several firefights that the team put together that use all of the new units.
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Extra firefights sounds good, bring them on!
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Where can i find the updated rulebook and summary sheet? Everything i download from the website refers to the old +1 rule for the turretted vehicles firing outside their arc of fire
 
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My fault. I will update this on Monday. I am at the Great Lakes Gathering of Friends at this time.
 
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Thank you Uwe. Enjoy the weekend :-)
 
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