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Cyrus, the Father Geek, joins Erik and Don to talk about game replayability and how expansions impact it.

In the review-a-palooza, Erik and Don review:

Moose in my House
Merchants and Marauders
Minotaurus
Dungeon Heroes
Samurai



What makes a game replayable to you? Are there any games that you liked When you played them but never felt the need to play again?
Name your most replayable game.

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Thanks for inviting me, folks! As always, it was my pleasure!
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Glad to hear the shout out for the Decktet. This is truly a fascinating game system and you all should definitely pick up a set.

The decktet is structured somewhat like a traditional deck of cards, except there are SIX suits and each card is DUAL suited. This opens up some fabulous design possibilities.

As for specific games to try out...

Magnate is a very cool 2-player comparison / resource engine game. Terrific. Goblin Market is a subtly tricky auction game. Also see Emu Ranchers as an interpretation of Lost Cities.

And one point didn't come up in your discussion about Abstract Games. I actually think that Abstract games are MORE likely to be of interest and a success to non-gamers. Have you been in specialty learning / toy stores or mass market stores recently? Once you get past the Monopoly, Risk, and Sorry variants - TONS of best-selling games (see Mesa Select Winners) are ABSTRACTS (Pentago, Blokus, Qwirkle, Quoridor).

I'd venture to guess that the general public is more likely to perceive and recognize an ABSTRACT as a game of strategy and be willing to play than something heavily thematic. Abstracts are typically understood to be "a minute to learn; a lifetime to master" and as such are substantially more approachable from a learning standpoint.

In parallel, more abstract card games that bear a resemblance to traditional card games (see Decktet above) are also more approachable and acceptable to the general public. See the success of games like Phase 10, UNO, and countless other abstract card games found in the mass market.

Great episode - I enjoyed the laughs quite a bit. Cheers!

EDIT: And I'm still listening to the episode BTW.
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FIVE GEEK GOLD to the first individual who can tell me what I was referencing with my Jeff Goldblum statement!

Prove your worthiness.....

Eric and Don, YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE!!! Cry for me your salty geek tears....
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fathergeek wrote:
Eric and Don, YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE!!! Cry for me your salty geek tears....


It's Erik. With a K. As in King. devil
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Ayrk wrote:
It's Erik. With a K. As in King. devil


I wasn't speaking to you, Erik. I was speaking to Eric.

I tell you...the ego on this guy...
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Jurasic Park, Chaos always find its way

EDIT: Ops, it seems to be Life always finds its way, not chaos cry

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kabutor wrote:
Jurasic Park


VICTORY! The money is yours. Spend it unwisely.
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fathergeek wrote:
kabutor wrote:
Jurasic Park


VICTORY! The money is yours. Spend it unwisely.


Thanks! I listen too much to the guys on the idlethumbs podcast to not get a Jeff Goldblum reference

It's also the best character on the movie
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Dagnabbit! When I heard the reference in the podcast I said to myself I wonder if that's from Jurassic park. Then I said, nah couldn't be that obvious. Oh well!
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My strongest reaction to the podcast was the discussion about ABSTRACTS! Clearly, Cyrus, you have an revulsion for them that goes beyond reason.

Seriously, I find them generally easier to introduce to people because it is seen as a more "adult" game. As for replayability, I will point out that nearly all of the "lifestyle" games are abstract, or (at least themeless) - chess, go, bridge, backgammon, cribbage - need I go on?
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About the abstracts games, it depends on the target, if I want to play a game with my father in law it's easier if it's an abstract, as he is not much into the Mythos thing, so each time I take out Arkham Horror he looks to my wife thinking why he couldn't find someone normal.

But he enjoys playing No Thanks
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'Xactly!
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I should have known you guys wouldn't let me down in the defense of abstract games.
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feldmafx wrote:
My strongest reaction to the podcast was the discussion about ABSTRACTS! Clearly, Cyrus, you have an revulsion for them that goes beyond reason.


Abstracts are a matter of taste, and Cyrus has poor taste. I haven't done much proselytizing, but I found non-gamers liked Ta Yü.
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feldmafx wrote:
Clearly, Cyrus, you have an revulsion for them that goes beyond reason.


Oh, that's not true, Frank, as far as you know.

feldmafx wrote:
need I go on?


If by "go on" you mean keep writing, then yes, as we miss you on FatherGeek.com. Last article was August 9th, Frank.

August.

Ninth.
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Barticus88 wrote:
Abstracts are a matter of taste, and Cyrus has poor taste.


Yeah, that's the trouble with personal opinions. Everyone has one. Good thing I'm married. Makes a lot of my opinions easy.

Barticus88 wrote:
I haven't done much proselytizing, but I found non-gamers liked Ta Yü.


I shall try this game and see how well it tastes on my game palate. Thanks for the suggestion, Mr. Bart!
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fathergeek wrote:
feldmafx wrote:
Clearly, Cyrus, you have an revulsion for them that goes beyond reason.


Oh, that's not true, Frank, as far as you know.

feldmafx wrote:
need I go on?


If by "go on" you mean keep writing, then yes, as we miss you on FatherGeek.com. Last article was August 9th, Frank.

August.

Ninth.


Ouch. But I have been remiss. I am actually finishing a review of Pizza Box Football, and I should have it to you by the end of the week.
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fathergeek wrote:
Barticus88 wrote:
Abstracts are a matter of taste, and Cyrus has poor taste.


Yeah, that's the trouble with personal opinions. Everyone has one. Good thing I'm married. Makes a lot of decision making simple.

Barticus88 wrote:
I haven't done much proselytizing, but I found non-gamers liked Ta Yü.


I shall try this game and see how well it tastes on my game palate. Thanks for the suggestion, Mr. Bart!


I agree. Looks like a great partners game.
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feldmafx wrote:
Ouch. But I have been remiss. I am actually finishing a review of Pizza Box Football, and I should have it to you by the end of the week.


Oh, you know I'm only kidding. Also, this is via a forum so I know there is zero chance of you physically striking me out of rage. Also, there are witnesses.

feldmafx wrote:
I am actually finishing a review of Pizza Box Football, and I should have it to you by the end of the week.


You better! (shakes fist in rage)

....damn...witnesses...
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feldmafx wrote:
I agree. Looks like a great partners game.


Gads, you are such a suckup, Frank....
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Nonetheless, I will get better. This has been my worst gaming year since I picked the hobby back up. I have played about a third of what I normally play in a year. Last month, our gaming group celebrated four years, though this year we missed a month for the first time; actually we missed about five. I need to start pressing more, not only in my writing, but also in going to conventions and in finding additional ways to game.
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I did celebrate 25 years of marriage this year. It's all in how you're trained!
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feldmafx wrote:
I did celebrate 25 years of marriage this year. It's all in how you're trained!


Excellent and congrats!
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Mezmorki wrote:
Then I said, nah couldn't be that obvious. Oh well!


The most obvious and smallest things are often overlooked.

For example, that midget in the corner holding a sign that says he's midget. Do you see him? No, because he's small and obvious.

And if you do see a midget in the corner, you might have other issues....
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