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Subject: Honesty (determining start player, no available moves in endgame) rss

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#1. After drawing the initial hands of 6 tiles, how to treat lying about the length of one's longest word?

In a friendly game, you can trust each other to name the actual length, but this doesn't work for tournaments. Subsequent plays tend to be worth more than the first play, so the incentive to lie may be there. Revealing all hands seems to be the only method to ensure correct choice of starting player.

#2. When the bag is empty, players must place tiles on their turn. If a player claims that he doesn't have a legal play, should he reveal his hand? This makes a difference in games with three or more players.

#3. Not honesty-related, but concerning other minor holes in the rules.
a) Consensus on this board seems to be that if the claim (from question #2) is accepted, the player may skip is turn. Has there ever been an official ruling?
b) Have there ever been official rulings about whether "everybody still has tiles, but no more table plays are ever possible" is a draw, or a game ending with/without 6 points for last play?)
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#1: You have to play the tiles of your longest chain, if you declare it. So it's obvious if someone is cheating if they don't play the called amount of tiles.

#2: i would say "no", you shouldn't reveal your hand. As other players lay doen tiles, a valid move might come up that you can play on a subsequent turn before the game ends.

#3: I would agree that the player should skip their turn until a legal move comes up or the game ends. I would also say the game ends without a player gaining the 6 point bonus. Of course, these are my opinions and not official rulings.
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> #1: You have to play the tiles of your longest chain, if you declare it.

For #1, I mean declaring less playable tiles than your largest chain, which is not allowed. (If you actually declare your largest chain, but then play fewer tiles than it, it's obvious, as you say.)

I agree with your rulings on #3, I deem them closest/most natural with respect to the rules' wording.
 
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I expected this reply somewhat, and it doesn't help in tournament situations nor in nerdy discussions.

As already said, in almost all the cases, one will trust the other people.
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I'd be curious to see a board state with no legal moves.
 
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b a n j o wrote:
I'd be curious to see a board state with no legal moves.

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Eiderdaus wrote:
In a friendly game, you can trust each other to name the actual length, but this doesn't work for tournaments.


Tournaments generally have non-playing judges or arbitrators, to prevent cheating of this type.
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