Worker-Placement -- are you sure?
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Here at bgg under browse/mechanics there is the following definition of worker-placement:

"This mechanic requires players to draft individual actions from a set that is available to all players. Drafting is done one-at-a-time and in turn order. There is a limit on the number of times a single action may be drafted each round. Once that limit is reached, an action can no longer be taken until a subsequent turn or until the action space is no longer occupied by a worker.

Usually, each player has a limited number of pieces with which to participate in the process. In other words, they "place workers" to show which actions have been drafted by which players."

My question here: Are there games in the database with "mechanic = worker placement", but you think they are not
or games not having worker placement as mechanic but should.

Feel free to add a game, you think have worker-placement for no reason (or the wrong reason) or need the mechanic worker-placement (but has not now).

PLEASE: Do not add games where you think, they are worker-plecement and you just want to tell us that this is right e.g. "Agricola is worker placement" (not helpful)

I had a research meeting last weekend and we discussed what worker-placement really is. I'm searching now for more opinions.

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This one has worker placement listed as a mechanism, but I do not think it qualifies in the strict sense.

In this game there are a number of rooms in the palace, all with a different function, with one of the rooms named the gate. All new workers must be placed at the gate, and then they have to walk to each room for a cost. If I remember correctly, you get a better benefit if you have more workers in a room than any other player, but you can not block people from using a room.

It actually reminds me of a rondel game, where you are limited in how far you can go to pick an action. There is also a touch of area majority.

I really like the game, but as you can´t really block other people from using a certain tile, I doubt it should be called worker placement.
 
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I think one issue to consider is the ultimate end-game state. Belfort certainly has "aspects" of WP, but at it's heart, the general consensus is that it's an area-majority game. Granted, there's a lot of other things going on in the game as well, but I used to think of this as being WP. NOw, I am a healthy skeptic...
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This one is listed as WP. I tend to think it isn't. I think if this would qualify then games like Navegador and Glen More might even have to be included.
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They say this game is a WP. But I disagree, 'cause the players don't hold workers in his hands, but action dics.
Beside this, some actions are free to all players, some action spaces are never exausthed!
 
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This game hasn't a WP mechanic. The cylinders you move in mancala aren't workers and the legionnaire and builders than you allocate in the camp, province and builds are the action resolution. In other words, you don't allocate a worker to perform the action, you allocate a worker as a consequence of the chosen action.
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Point:
http://www.islaythedragon.com/2013/03/point-is-settlers-of-c...

Counterpoint:
http://gfbrobot.com/2013/03/21/point-is-catan-a-worker-place...
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I would argue the drafting of strategic actions is an example of a worker placement mechanic. It is very similar to action drafting in Puerto Rico.

The way it works:

- There is a turn order
- Choices are exclusive
- Each player has one draft choice (only one worker)
- Undrafted items will gain a bonus for the next draft (this is similar to the spaces that accumulate resources in Agricola imo)
- Turn order for the next draft may be affected by action selected this draft (Similar to starting player action in Agricola)
- Each draft choice has an action that is exclusive to the player who chose it


The real question that I think this and Puerto Rico bring up is whether or not a draft should be considered worker placement.



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This is a good game to use to refute the argument that WP means putting a physical worker on a physical space in order to gain a benefit or take an action. You do that every round in this game but since the actions aren't shared it is not WP.

The game page rightly does not list WP as a mechanic but I can't count how many times I've seen it recommended as a great WP game.
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In this game, there are workers of different kinds, and more than 1 space for each action where workers may be placed. Does this mean that it is not a worker placement game, according to the OP's suggested set of defining rules?
(Answer: of course it doesn't!)
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Is StarCraft: the Board Game worker placement? This question came up in another geeklist.

I'm not talking about the workers you place to gather resources in the game. I'm refering to the orders which are placed at the beginning of each round that give the players the ability to take actions.

I have always considered it to be worker placment. But there is an issue that calls it into question, that is placing an order tells me where I can perform the action associated with it, but the order itself tells me what action I'm taking.

Each player starts with the same set of limited orders. However, based on how orders are placed I can block another player from activating an order they've played.

If it is not worker placement, what is it?
 
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The game runs in turns an on your turn you have the option to place workers or do other stuff.

[*] The actions you choose are individual actions.
[*] The draft actions one-at-a-time.
[*] There is a clear tunr order.
[*] The number of times an action can be choosen ist limited.
[*] All actions are limited.
[*] The actions only affect yourself.
[*] All workers are removed at the same time.
[*] A single worker belong to a player.
[*] You only place your own worker.
[*] The actions can be interpreted as "work".
[*] The workers are persons.
[*] You have at least three workers.
[*] All workers are identical.
[*] Your workers are limited.

There are some points not fittigng the poll. The actions are not available for all players. The actionlimit isn't one. You are allowed to choose an action a second time with two workers instead of one. And every player has its own set of actions depending on his own Locations and the locations of the other player.

But it seems to be Worker Placement. Or am I wrong?
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