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Hello! I started this thread to be the place in our little corner of the world dedicated to math trades and more specifically, how to participate in them using the Online Wish List Generator (OLWLG).

Now, I do loves me some Beo-ratory, but the best way to learn about math trades is to participate in one! Not in a binding, "I really don't want to trade anything right now and you forced me to get rid of my favorite game EVAR" sort of way, but rather in a "Let's just throw stuff at the system and see what falls out" kind of way. With that in mind, let's start with a mock math trade!

Werewolf Mock Math Trade

It's highly probable that I don't know what I'm doing as far as running this thing. I will be plagiarizing heavily from MyParadox's efforts over in the OC Village guild. Any additional help and advice is appreciated! So without further ado, let's get this thing started.
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Add any games to the math trade that you would like to (pretend to) trade. Submissions are open until Wednesday, December 16. Once the submissions close, then you can submit want lists until Sunday. It's a little bit of a tight turnaround, but it's just for funsies.

Make sure to familiarize yourself with the Online Want List Generator (OLWLG). You can find it here: http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/

For new users, definitely check out some of the great tutorials that have been written on it. You can find a bunch:

Math trade wiki
Math Trades for Dummies (I used this when I first started trading)
OLWLG Wiki
Video Tutorials (also very helpful)

You can add games you'd like to trade on the geeklist directly or using the OLWLG tool. Either works.

Feel free to add whatever you want. Including games you don't own, video games, Christmas cookies, or whatever. The trade results will be totally non-binding in this mock math trade. So just have fun with it.
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1. When you post your game(s) to the GeekList, you should include a short blurb describing its condition. That's the minimum.

2. It's helpful if you include a line about the edition or the version.

3. Ditto language, especially if it isn't in English.

4. If we were really trading games as a result, then you should also include how much of the shipping costs you're willing to bear. The assumption is that the game's original owner pays for shipping to the new recipient unless otherwise specified. Obviously that's important if you're having to ship your copy of Mega Civilization to Siberia.

5. Once you have posted your item to the GeekList, DO NOT DELETE IT. Apparently Bad Things can happen if you do so. Editing it is fine if you want to add information and/or sweeteners, or else "remove" it from the MT by adding an altname tag like so:

+altname+ Removed from trade -altname-

6. Feel free to offer items other than board games, video games, or role-playing games. If you do, then you can use the entry "Outside the Scope of BGG" as a placeholder. Be sure to specify what you're offering using the "altname" format listed above. That way the OLWLG will display your item correctly.
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Why only a mock one? Why not a real one?
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Avin wrote:
Why only a mock one? Why not a real one?
Because we have some folks who aren't familiar with MT's and the OLWLG. I figure we do a dry run first, and then if we're so inclined we can run a second one for realsies.
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Ah. Gotcha.

Also, didn't realize you were posting more guidance. Sorry. Deleting my original post momentarily.
 
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I would totally do an actual WW math trade. Though, I dunno if it's allowed (by OLWLG) to hold a shipping math trade restricted to our community, or if we'd get enough items to have it be worthwhile.
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Avin wrote:
Why only a mock one? Why not a real one?
Because we have some folks who aren't familiar with MT's and the OLWLG. I figure we do a dry run first, and then if we're so inclined we can run a second one for realsies.
I love it!

I've got a few trades under my belt, so any way I can help, let me know!
 
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I would totally do an actual WW math trade. Though, I dunno if it's allowed (by OLWLG) to hold a shipping math trade restricted to our community, or if we'd get enough items to have it be worthwhile.
I bet we would if we opened it to Boomers, and if we did it soon, we could have results in time for Rathcon.
 
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worshipsf wrote:
I would totally do an actual WW math trade. Though, I dunno if it's allowed (by OLWLG) to hold a shipping math trade restricted to our community, or if we'd get enough items to have it be worthwhile.
Oh, it seems odd that would be restricted. Why couldn't you?
 
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I've never done it before myself but I'd happily do a real one too. I suppose I should just participate in this and then redo it if we do a subsequent real one?
 
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Avin wrote:
I've never done it before myself but I'd happily do a real one too. I suppose I should just participate in this and then redo it if we do a subsequent real one?
That's the idea!
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worshipsf wrote:
I would totally do an actual WW math trade. Though, I dunno if it's allowed (by OLWLG) to hold a shipping math trade restricted to our community, or if we'd get enough items to have it be worthwhile.
Oh, it seems odd that would be restricted. Why couldn't you?
I'm not sure if it is or not, or if anyone's tried before. The OLWLG is run by one guy (JeffyJeff) and there is some manual effort involved on his part to set up each math trade, so basically it's his decision what he wants to support or not.
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5. Once you have posted your item to the GeekList, DO NOT DELETE IT. Apparently Bad Things can happen if you do so. Editing it is fine if you want to add information and/or sweeteners, or else "remove" it from the MT by adding an altname tag like so:

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IIRC, only the items "Outside the Scope of BGG" and "Miscellaneous Boardgame Accessory" support the altname tags. So if you edit out an item, be sure to change the item to one of these two so that the altname shows up.
 
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Real Math Trade question we should answer:

Many math traders offer Gift Cards (listed as Outside Scope of BGG) to Coolstuff and Amazon in exchange for games. Do we want to allow that?
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Quaseymoto wrote:
Real Math Trade question we should answer:

Many math traders offer Gift Cards (listed as Outside Scope of BGG) to Coolstuff and Amazon in exchange for games. Do we want to allow that?
Todd already listed them as acceptable items in his geeklist header, and my vote would also be yes since it increases the chance that trades will be matched. The main argument against them (creates too many items to sift through) isn't really an issue for us IMO.

The main caveat with gift cards and geekgold is that arbitrage is not allowed, i.e. you are not allowed to trade your gift card for another gift card (of higher value, or often at all.)
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Quaseymoto wrote:
Real Math Trade question we should answer:

Many math traders offer Gift Cards (listed as Outside Scope of BGG) to Coolstuff and Amazon in exchange for games. Do we want to allow that?
I think MyParadox answered this question in his rules that I blatantly copied for this mock math trade. Offering gift cards or GeekGold is allowed, but arbitrage is not.

In other words, people aren't allowed to offer 25 of their own and then try to trade it for someone else's offer of 50 . Ditto gift cards: no offering your $10 GC to CoolStuff, and then trying to trade it for someone else's $20 GC.
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worshipsf wrote:
Quaseymoto wrote:
Real Math Trade question we should answer:

Many math traders offer Gift Cards (listed as Outside Scope of BGG) to Coolstuff and Amazon in exchange for games. Do we want to allow that?
Todd already listed them as acceptable items in his geeklist header, and my vote would also be yes since it increases the chance that trades will be matched. The main argument against them (creates too many items to sift through) isn't really an issue for us IMO.

The main caveat with gift cards and geekgold is that arbitrage is not allowed, i.e. you are not allowed to trade your gift card for another gift card (of higher value, or often at all.)
Great job, Helen! Exactly right.

How closely did you read those rules, anyway? whistle
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Beowulf wrote:
worshipsf wrote:
Quaseymoto wrote:
Real Math Trade question we should answer:

Many math traders offer Gift Cards (listed as Outside Scope of BGG) to Coolstuff and Amazon in exchange for games. Do we want to allow that?
Todd already listed them as acceptable items in his geeklist header, and my vote would also be yes since it increases the chance that trades will be matched. The main argument against them (creates too many items to sift through) isn't really an issue for us IMO.

The main caveat with gift cards and geekgold is that arbitrage is not allowed, i.e. you are not allowed to trade your gift card for another gift card (of higher value, or often at all.)
Great job, Helen! Exactly right.

How closely did you read those rules, anyway? whistle
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I skimmed, but they are pretty standard MT rules, other than the no actual trading part.
 
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I've ran restricted math trades before. It's fine.

You might get some confused bypassers, but it should be fine.

The biggest concern would be the pool size.
 
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I've ran restricted math trades before. It's fine.

You might get some confused bypassers, but it should be fine.

The biggest concern would be the pool size.
Exactly. It's not restricted shipping, it's restricted participation. The latter is ok, the former is not.
 
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ooooh! I had a friend tell me about the steps of a math trade and I am still nervous trying one.

So thank you from me as well! meeple
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Beowulf wrote:
worshipsf wrote:
Quaseymoto wrote:
Real Math Trade question we should answer:

Many math traders offer Gift Cards (listed as Outside Scope of BGG) to Coolstuff and Amazon in exchange for games. Do we want to allow that?
Todd already listed them as acceptable items in his geeklist header, and my vote would also be yes since it increases the chance that trades will be matched. The main argument against them (creates too many items to sift through) isn't really an issue for us IMO.

The main caveat with gift cards and geekgold is that arbitrage is not allowed, i.e. you are not allowed to trade your gift card for another gift card (of higher value, or often at all.)
Great job, Helen! Exactly right.

How closely did you read those rules, anyway? :whistle:
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