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This is a math trade that will be held with the occasion of the JunaCon VIII event in Turku, Finland, 3-5 March 2017. Participants are expected to bring their items to the event for exchange, or make other arrangements.

NOTE: THIS IS AN EXPRESS MATH TRADE - PLEASE ADD YOUR ITEMS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

The GeekList:
JunaCon VIII Math Trade

Määräajat, linkit, ehdot
Määräaika, johon mennessä pelit on lisättävä GeekListiin: Sunday, February 19th, 2017, 23:00
Määräaika, johon mennessä want listit on lähetettävä OLWLG:hen: Thursday, February 23rd, 2017, 23:00

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TILA:
WAITING FOR OLWLG APPROVAL
ADDING ITEMS / OFFERING GAMES
DECLARING WANTS / SUBMITTING WANT LISTS
RESULTS POSTED (NOT FINAL)
RESULTS ARE FINAL


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Vinkkejä onnistuneeseen ketjuvaihtoon

Eikö tarjolla oikein ole pelejä, joita haluaisit? Lisää pelisi silti, se on ilmaista! Tämä kannustaa muita tekemään samoin ja saat parempia vastineita. Jos kaikki vain odottavat muiden olevan ensimmäisiä, mitään ei tapahdu. Voit aina olla tekemättä vaihtoa lähettämällä nimikkeestä tyhjän want listin.

Lisää pelit vaihtoon ajoissa. Mitä aikaisemmin, sen parempi, sillä muut käyttäjät huomaavat ne näin helpommin. Se on myös hyvä keino ”mainostaa” tarjoamiasi pelejä sekä houkutella muita suoriin vaihtoihin myös ketjuvaihdon aikana.

Yhdistä useita pelejä yhdeksi nimikkeeksi, jos ne eivät ole kovin suosittuja. Yksi peli, jota pelataan, on parempi kuin viisi keräämässä pölyä.

Kun lisäät pelejä, ota huomioon, että LWLG/BGG-synkronointi on tehtävä manuaalisesti, joten GeekListiin tehtyjen lisäysten näkyminen OLWLG:ssä voi viedä pari tuntia.

Etkö halua enää tarjota jotakin peliä? Tämä on ok, kunhan lisäät nimikkeeseen huomautuksen asiasta. Lähetä nimikkeestä tyhjät want listit, ja tee näin myös, jos muutat mielesi GeekListin lukitsemisen jälkeen.

Onko pelien lisääminen vaivalloista? Voit tuoda aiempien ketjuvaihtojen tietoja OLWLG:n automaattisen tuontitoiminnon avulla. Näin sinun on vain tarkistettava mahdolliset muutokset ja napsautettava sitten ”Submit”-painiketta.

Älä lähetä want listejä ennen kuin vaihdon ylläpitäjä on antanut siihen luvan ensimmäisen määräajan umpeutumisen jälkeen.

Osta! Myy! Ketjuvaihto on loistava keino vaihtaa pelejä rahaa vastaan ja päin vastoin. Se maksimoi myyjien saaman summan ja minimoi ostajien maksaman summan, koska ketju perustuu muiden käyttäjien vaihtohaluun.

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Here are all the trade results in a nice format:

http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/trades-summary.cgi?listid=...



"Who wanted mine" and "Most wanted" are also live on OLWLG. These are useful for those that want to go and arrange individual side trades after the MT results have been declared to be final.

http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/wantedby.cgi?listid=221921
http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/mostwanted.cgi?listid=2219...
 
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Raw results:

TradeMaximizer Version 1.4a
Options: ALLOW-DUMMIES REQUIRE-COLONS REQUIRE-USERNAMES HIDE-NONTRADES SHOW-ELAPSED-TIME

Input Checksum: db86c05b542e431643603616809225
TRADE LOOPS (21 total trades):

(HAKUUS) 0017-ICECOO receives (TAPANOTE) 0084-AN1E
(TAPANOTE) 0084-AN1E receives (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0001-PATCH
(KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0001-PATCH receives (HAKUUS) 0017-ICECOO

(KIEFERFIN) 0139-INQUI receives (TEPPOLAINEN) 0126-LIARS
(TEPPOLAINEN) 0126-LIARS receives (VISARD) 0039-BUCBON
(VISARD) 0039-BUCBON receives (MSAARI) 0022-6NIMMT
(MSAARI) 0022-6NIMMT receives (TAPANOTE) 0082-AN5E
(TAPANOTE) 0082-AN5E receives (KIEFERFIN) 0139-INQUI

(KIEFERFIN) 0142-KARMA receives (KUKKO) 0102-SPYRI
(KUKKO) 0102-SPYRI receives (TAPANOTE) 0078-DOM
(TAPANOTE) 0078-DOM receives (TEPPOLAINEN) 0135-SHASHO
(TEPPOLAINEN) 0135-SHASHO receives (KIEFERFIN) 0142-KARMA

(KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0004-ANBI4I1 receives (TAPANOTE) 0073-SEFA
(TAPANOTE) 0073-SEFA receives (MSAARI) 0035-AOSEMS
(MSAARI) 0035-AOSEMS receives (TAPANOTE) 0083-AN1E
(TAPANOTE) 0083-AN1E receives (MSAARI) 0037-AOSEU
(MSAARI) 0037-AOSEU receives (SHADER10) 0064-AN1E
(SHADER10) 0064-AN1E receives (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0008-ANBV4I1
(KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0008-ANBV4I1 receives (KUKKO) 0089-VILLA
(KUKKO) 0089-VILLA receives (TAPANOTE) 0085-AN2E
(TAPANOTE) 0085-AN2E receives (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0004-ANBI4I1

ITEM SUMMARY (21 total trades):

(HAKUUS) 0017-ICECOO receives (TAPANOTE) 0084-AN1E and sends to (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0001-PATCH
(KIEFERFIN) 0139-INQUI receives (TEPPOLAINEN) 0126-LIARS and sends to (TAPANOTE) 0082-AN5E
(KIEFERFIN) 0142-KARMA receives (KUKKO) 0102-SPYRI and sends to (TEPPOLAINEN) 0135-SHASHO
(KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0001-PATCH receives (HAKUUS) 0017-ICECOO and sends to (TAPANOTE) 0084-AN1E
(KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0004-ANBI4I1 receives (TAPANOTE) 0073-SEFA and sends to (TAPANOTE) 0085-AN2E
(KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0008-ANBV4I1 receives (KUKKO) 0089-VILLA and sends to (SHADER10) 0064-AN1E
(KUKKO) 0089-VILLA receives (TAPANOTE) 0085-AN2E and sends to (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0008-ANBV4I1
(KUKKO) 0102-SPYRI receives (TAPANOTE) 0078-DOM and sends to (KIEFERFIN) 0142-KARMA
(MSAARI) 0022-6NIMMT receives (TAPANOTE) 0082-AN5E and sends to (VISARD) 0039-BUCBON
(MSAARI) 0035-AOSEMS receives (TAPANOTE) 0083-AN1E and sends to (TAPANOTE) 0073-SEFA
(MSAARI) 0037-AOSEU receives (SHADER10) 0064-AN1E and sends to (TAPANOTE) 0083-AN1E
(SHADER10) 0064-AN1E receives (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0008-ANBV4I1 and sends to (MSAARI) 0037-AOSEU
(TAPANOTE) 0073-SEFA receives (MSAARI) 0035-AOSEMS and sends to (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0004-ANBI4I1
(TAPANOTE) 0078-DOM receives (TEPPOLAINEN) 0135-SHASHO and sends to (KUKKO) 0102-SPYRI
(TAPANOTE) 0082-AN5E receives (KIEFERFIN) 0139-INQUI and sends to (MSAARI) 0022-6NIMMT
(TAPANOTE) 0083-AN1E receives (MSAARI) 0037-AOSEU and sends to (MSAARI) 0035-AOSEMS
(TAPANOTE) 0084-AN1E receives (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0001-PATCH and sends to (HAKUUS) 0017-ICECOO
(TAPANOTE) 0085-AN2E receives (KREIKKATURKULAINEN) 0004-ANBI4I1 and sends to (KUKKO) 0089-VILLA
(TEPPOLAINEN) 0126-LIARS receives (VISARD) 0039-BUCBON and sends to (KIEFERFIN) 0139-INQUI
(TEPPOLAINEN) 0135-SHASHO receives (KIEFERFIN) 0142-KARMA and sends to (TAPANOTE) 0078-DOM
(VISARD) 0039-BUCBON receives (MSAARI) 0022-6NIMMT and sends to (TEPPOLAINEN) 0126-LIARS

Num trades = 21 of 112 items (18.8%)
Total cost = 21 (avg 1.00)
Num groups = 4
Group sizes = 9 5 4 3
Sum squares = 131
Elapsed time = 10ms
 
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Adding new items to the list is not allowed at the moment.
 
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msaari wrote:
Adding new items to the list is not allowed at the moment.


Apologies, that was fixed a few minutes later.
 
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Adding games is now closed. Please submit your want lists via the OLWLG. For instructions, see the GeekList header.


As before, I won't be able to chase down people to submit their want lists. Please do it now, to show you appreciate the time that everyone has put in listing their games.

Feel free to post any questions here.

For item-specific questions, you can ask by commenting on the relevant GeekList item. Givers have to answer, otherwise their entries are marked red by the OLWLG.


Note:

If you are not seeing the entire list on OLWLG, check to see if this shows on the top of the page:
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You are only viewing new items added since you last viewed this page. If you would like to view the entire list click here


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After you are done with this step you may want to make one more pass viewing only items that are on your wish/want/etc lists, to do so click here
 
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Sadly, I skipped Junacon MT this year. Problems with adding games via OLWLG, when submitting a game it gave me constantly "Invalid action" (or smthg) error in BGG. Tried two browsers. Worked fine last Lautapelaamaan.
 
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aquarian wrote:
Sadly, I skipped Junacon MT this year. Problems with adding games via OLWLG, when submitting a game it gave me constantly "Invalid action" (or smthg) error in BGG. Tried two browsers. Worked fine last Lautapelaamaan.


You can always post here if you have any problems.

But, there's going to be a SM-Kisat Math Trade also.
 
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Results have been posted, see the 2nd & 3rd post above.

Do not give or send any games yet!
All participants now have 24 hours to report any problems.
 
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Something have went wrong. It appears there are several trades that should have happened, as example, i offered 25 Euros from "historia" and that game went to no one, yet it shows historia was interested in my 25 euros.

Should i have clicked some button somewhere?

edit: To give more info. I went to OWLGL step 4, crossed the options and clicked "confirm changes".

Should I have done something else too?
 
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I probably botched something as well. It says mine and Bugala's wishlists are missing. Guess I did not see a button somewhere.

Too bad, need to give this more attention at SM-trade.

 
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Yeah, you need to submit the final button to submit your want lists.

I will add a more specific note on this in the next math trades.
 
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You will actually also get a GeekMail immediately after submitting your wants, so if you don't see one better check what's going on.
 
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I now know what went wrong.

There were both on top and bottom of the page those color boxes, i thought they were just some color format instructions, but they were actually buttons, among them the "submit your wants" button.

It is also good to know for future that you are supposed to get a message to geekmail when things are done. Didnt know what to expect, so was just happily clicking the "confirm changes" button and waiting for actual math trade to happen.
 
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THE RESULTS ARE FINAL
You may freely trade.


To keep a minimum level of transparency, it would be good to use the BGG trade manager to leave feedback for each other. This increases the trade rating for each one of us and keeps us honest. It also projects an image of an honest trader to others you may trade with in the future

Please make sure that you have marked the items traded as "for trade" so that they show up in the BGG trade manager.

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To use the trade manager, click on http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/trades-summary.cgi?listid=..., scroll down to find your trades, and click on the nickname of the user receiving one of your games.

For example, hakuus will click on the word "kreikkaturkulainen " where it says "-- 1. gives "Ice Cool (17)" to kreikkaturkulainen (1) Finland".

The general rule is for the one giving the game to initiate the trade, but if he is late or forgets, the receiver can do it too.

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After the games have been exchanged, please leave feedback in the trade manager. I use the following format, feel free to copy it:
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||| JunaCon VIII Math Trade /// GAME /// Received: DATE /// Packing: DESCRIPTION (e.g. cardboard box, styrofoam) OR "N/A - face to face meeting" /// Condition: DESCRIPTION |||


For feedback to those who you only send games, you can just simply write:
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I was a sender in the JunaCon VIII Math Trade.


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I recommend that you use little yellow sticky notes with the relevant information on them. For example, "From [GIVER] to [TAKER]" written on it, replacing the relevant fields with your usernames.
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kreikkaturkulainen wrote:
Please make sure that you have marked the items traded as "for trade" so that they show up in the BGG trade manager.


People, if you want to make BGG trades (strongly recommended) please remember this! Just clicking the "for trade" box in My Games is enough, you don't even have to admit that you own the game But without it, it's impossible for anyone else to even propose that trade to you.
 
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