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Geeklist: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/22435

Math Trade Deadlines:
Mon. July 30th 3pm ET - for submitting games (and sweeteners)
Thur. Aug. 2nd 4pm ET - for submitting want lists
Sat. Aug. 4th 10:00am ET - for those playing at home to geekmail me Genetitrade result files

Sat. Aug. 4th 10:30am ET - results posted

Unity Games XIII - Open Gaming Convention
Wakefield, MA (not far outside Boston)
Sat. August 11th, 2007 - 9am to Midnight
http://www.unitygames.org/ugxiii/ugxiii.htm
Only $10 until up til 2 weeks before, then $15 at at the door (space permitting)

Math Trade Rules:
1. You must be either attending UGXIII or know someone who is that will be your proxy as all game deliveries are being done at the convention (ie. no shipping costs!).

2. You can put as many games as you want up for trade, and you can even list the same game (duplicate) someone else is trading, but ... you can not duplicate your own games.

3. Feel free to add comments to individual geeklist items, but do not add general comments to the geeklist itself. Instead use this forum thread for discussion

4. "sweeteners" are to be listed using either the GAMEID formatting (prefered, example Hansa) or a link to the game's page (this will look like http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/8989). If you don't your sweeteners won't show up in the summary (I'll be using software to generate the summary automatically)

5. No limit to length of want lists (thanks to Genetitrade)

6. You must accurately describe your game's condition, language, edition, etc. Please list English even if it was only ever published in English as chances are someone will ask regardless.

7. You must submit a want list for each game you are offering. If you don't want to trade a specific offering (because you see no one elses game(s) you'd be happy with in exchange), submit a blank list and the game will not be traded.

8. Do NOT submit want lists until the summary has been posted.

9. I reserve the right to remove games from the list for whatever reason (this is very unlikely, but is here just in case). If you are on the bad traders list, your games will be removed.

10. By posting an entry on this list, you agree to abide both by the general math trade guidelines and by those specific to this math trade.

11. When you add item(s) please put in the comment field the hours you anticipate being at UGXIII (this may help folks who aren't there all day to leave games off their want list if they won't be there to accept delivery)

Trade Resolver: Genetitrade (trying to maximize number of trades)
Everyone is invited to run Genetitrade. If more than one run finds the most trades, the one with the most trade chains will be used. 2nd level tie breaker TBD.

Feel free to include sweeteners (additional games you wish to bundle with the game you are adding) in the comment field (or click on "[Comment]" for the item to add after the fact).
Note: use the "[Add Item]" link to add the game you own and wish to trade away.

Jeff
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important: make sure you double check the times the person who offered up each game on your want list will be at the convention, or at least be prepared to make arrangements for receiving the game (if you are lucky to "win" it in the math trade of course!).
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Don't know what a math trade is? See http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/93555

75 trades were made in the last UG (UGXI) math trade! See http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/18694
 
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Summary & Submitting want lists
Below is the official summary.

It's not a requirement, but I strongly suggest everyone in the math trade use the online want list generator/editor. Most folks prefer it as you get to see a snapshot of the entire geeklist on one page, easily keep track of your wants, and then edit your wants...

And for this math trade I have it setup so you can submit your wants as well, so that you have almost zero chance of a cut/paste error.

For those who haven't used it before you can check out the limited and verbose documention at:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/159648

or you could just jump right into the tool at:

http://activityclub.org/bgg/mathtrade.cgi

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For those that don't want to use the online tool... you'll need to compose your want lists manually... the format is (by example):

1-DieMac 2-Carca 3-CHaG 4-Shogun

This example assumes 1-DieMac is one of your items in the math trade... and it says in exchange for your "Die Macher" you would be willing to accept in trade any of the items following it.

Order of the items you would accept (2-Carca 3-CHaG 4-Shogun) does not matter, and the length of the list does not matter.

If you have more than one item in the math trade, please include them all in one geekmail to me (do not post them to this thread), and make sure to insert a couple of blank lines.

Also I suggest you verify your want lists before you submit them by using the verification tool:

http://activityclub.org/bgg/verifywants.pl?mt=ugxiii

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Note: the summary does not include sweeteners, see the geeklist or better yet the online want list generator mentioned above to see sweetners, condition and edition of the games, and when everyone excepts to be at UG.

1-DieMac Die Macher
2-Carca Carcassonne
3-CHaG Carcassonne: Hunters and Gatherers
4-Shogun Shogun
5-BoS Bridges of Shangri-La, The
6-BTL Beowulf: The Legend
7-Metro Metro
8-M M
9-NexOps Nexus Ops
10-VegSho Vegas Showdown
11-Oasis Oasis
12-Basari Basari
13-PueRic Puerto Rico
14-HoiToi Hoity Toity
15-CasMer Castle Merchants
16-IlPri Il Principe
17-Rhein Rheinländer
18-ItB I'm the Boss
19-RoboR RoboRally
20-TaT Thurn and Taxis
21-China China
22-BFINY Blood Feud In New York
23-Blokus Blokus
24-TerNov Terra Nova
25-IndRai India Rails
26-Aqudu Aquädukt
27-Don Don
28-RotH Return of the Heroes
29-UtSotD Under the Shadow of the Dragon
30-Famil Familienbande
31-Tongi Tongiaki
32-Tyros Tyros
33-KinMe King Me!
34-TuTDKdF Thurn und Taxis - Der Kurier der Fürstin
35-RSWTCWE Risk - Star Wars: The Clone Wars Edition
36-OZlM O Zoo le Mio
37-Inkog Inkognito
38-EurEng Europe Engulfed
39-ZG Z-G
40-StaNyc Stadens Nyckel
41-Gnade Gnadenlos!
42-KinPro Kings Progress
43-Alaska Alaska
44-Andro Andromeda
45-1DED 13 Dead End Drive
46-3Sto 3 Stones
47-Babus Babuschka
48-Cartel Cartel
49-Chess Chess
50-DesBaz Desert Bazaar
51-HAtOH HeroQuest - Against the Ogre Horde
52-ITK In Teufels Küche
53-Keyto Keytown
54-LonSho Long Short
55-Marqu Marquis
56-Metro Metro
57-LotRTD Lord of the Rings - The Duel
58-CTC Carcassonne: The Castle
59-KoC Knights of Charlemagne
60-FoD Fist of Dragonstones
61-MSE Monopoly - Stock Exchange
62-WDC When Darkness Comes
63-Ostia Ostia
64-FeaFlo Fearsome Floors
65-BluMoo Blue Moon
66-Jambo Jambo
67-Africa Africa
68-Kingd Kingdoms
69-PonExp Pony Express
70-RLotRESiSoMTg Risk - Lord of the Rings Expansion Set (incl. Siege of Minas Ti
rith game)
71-SchSti Schrille Stille
72-Tongi Tongiaki
73-EotM Employee of the Month
74-MCA Mission Command Air
75-MCS Mission Command Sea
76-SmaMou Smart Mouth
77-SpeGra Speedy Graffiti
78-BuyWo BuyWord
79-DarLor Dark Lore
80-FasFig Fast Figure
81-Rummi Rummikub
82-TtS Tip the Scale
83-TE Tigris & Euphrates
84-ModArt Modern Art
85-MotM Monkeys on the Moon
86-Bazaar Bazaar
87-RTLotR Risk - The Lord of the Rings
88-CTPtD Carcassonne - The Princess & the Dragon
89-Atlan Atlanteon
90-GoA Guns of August
91-CatPhr Catch Phrase
92-StM Spank the Monkey
93-Condo Condottiere
94-China China
95-Emira Emira
96-Siena Siena
97-Capit Capitol
98-NewEng New England
99-Palaz Palazzo
100-Babel Babel
101-Volld Volldampf
102-Mexica Mexica
103-Manha Manhattan
104-AGTfOS Awful Green Things from Outer Space, The
105-BQotS B-17: Queen of the Skies
106-Deadw Deadwood
107-PlaBus Planet Busters
108-WabWev Wabbit's Wevenge
109-WoFM Warlock of Firetop Mountain, the
110-PBF Pizza Box Football
111-Attika Attika
112-Carib Caribbean
113-Magdar Magdar
114-MMA Monsters Menace America
115-WildL WildLife
116-LouXIV Louis XIV
117-MysWar Mystic War
118-Mutiny Mutiny!
119-QuiIt Quip It!
120-Buzzw Buzzword
121-SS Such & Such
122-MttC Message to the Czar
123-Fjords Fjords
124-OhPha Oh Pharaoh
125-ColAma Coloretto Amazonas
126-FieCom Field Command
127-RelTig Relationship Tightrope
128-IDE Illuminati: Deluxe Edition
129-Notti Nottingham
130-RoboR RoboRally
131-DoAS1W Duel of Ages Set 1 - Worldspanner
132-VilPal Villa Paletti
133-Mem44 Memoir '44
134-Carta Cartagena
135-MotA Mystery of the Abbey
136-MRJtR Mystery Rummy: Jack the Ripper
137-ScoYar Scotland Yard
138-Shark Shark
139-Missi Mississippi
140-SOCTTE Settlers Of Catan, The - Travel Edition
141-Vampi Vampire
142-Vegas Vegas
143-Shang Shanghai
144-AoMTB Age of Mythology: The Boardgame
145-MouCha Mouse Chaos
146-QftD Quest for the Dragonlords
147-Inkog Inkognito
148-Atlan Atlanteon
149-AreMax Arena Maximus
150-HTP HellRail - Third Perdition
151-NavDra Navia Dratp
152-DanInf Dante's Inferno
153-R2A Risk 2210 A.D.
154-RisGod Risk: Godstorm
155-AAD Axis & Allies: D-Day
156-Oasis Oasis
157-Chatu Chaturanga
158-HMSRotV HeroScape Master Set: Rise of the Valkyrie
159-Lionh Lionheart
160-Squint Squint
161-ACW American Civil War, The
162-PicMan Pictionary Mania
163-SIitRC Succession: Intrigue in the Royal Court
164-HMSRotV HeroScape Master Set: Rise of the Valkyrie
165-Loco Loco!
166-KulKul Kula Kula
167-Goldl Goldland
168-Janus Janus
169-Guess Guesstures
170-CDM3 Chopstick Dexterity MegaChallenge 3000
171-Warp 6 Warp 6
172-PRotA Parthenon: Rise of the Aegean
173-BigKin Big Kini
174-Siena Siena
175-Tahua Tahuantinsuyu
176-BMC Blue Moon City
177-RSWTCWE Risk - Star Wars: The Clone Wars Edition
178-MarHer Marvel Heroes
179-VegSho Vegas Showdown
180-NexOps Nexus Ops
181-Iliade Iliade
182-Hansa Hansa
183-Tongi Tongiaki
184-Aqudu Aquädukt
185-SoC Seafarers of Catan, The
186-Torres Torres
187-Tikal Tikal
188-Afr188 Africa 1880
189-Que175 Quebec 1759
190-Napol Napoleon
191-VTBoW Victory: The Blocks of War
192-RelTig Relationship Tightrope
193-DoN Double or Nothing
194-Warri Warriors
195-GalDes Galactic Destiny
196-ReeEnc Reef Encounter
197-Caylus Caylus
198-WafWil Wafflin' Willy
199-Alham Alhambra
200-AoS Age of Steam
201-Ringg Ringgeister
202-Wizard Wizard
203-Freib Freibeuter
204-CaC Caesar and Cleopatra
205-Rocke Rocketville
206-Mogul Mogul
207-StaMan Station Manager
208-Suzer Suzerain
209-BFINY Blood Feud In New York
210-HoiToi Hoity Toity
211-SunCit Sunken City
212-PotR Princes of the Renaissance
213-400AD 4000 A.D.
214-VH Victory & Honor
215-Cljds Crôa! (le jeu de saute-grenouille)
216-Acqui Acquire
217-Drago Dragonriders
218-Zombi Zombies!!!
219-Subma Submarine
220-DTotLL Dungeoneer: Tomb of the Lich Lord
221-Firep Firepower
222-CanSto Can't Stop
223-GtG Get the Goods
224-Drach Drachenfels
225-Bootl Bootleggers
226-Dogfi Dogfight
227-WorWis Word Wise
228-ScoYar Scotland Yard
229-BCoF Battle Cry of Freedom
230-SplSec Split Second
231-KFF Kung Fu Fighting
232-VILt8 VH1 I Love the 80's
233-MMA Monsters Menace America
234-MotA Mystery of the Abbey
235-Java Java
236-HPatSSMaHG Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Mystery at Hogwarts Game
237-HPatSSTG Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Trivia Game
238-RTLotR Risk - The Lord of the Rings
239-Ambush Ambush!
240-EastF EastFront
241-WAS War At Sea
242-F1TACiE France 1944: The Allied Crusade in Europe
243-HouDiv House Divided, A
244-PanLea Panzer Leader
245-DieMac Die Macher
246-PTS2 Premier Table Soccer 2000
247-RFE Runebound (First Edition)
248-Mamoo Mamoonia
249-Sindb Sindbad
250-AdP Ab die Post
251-PonExp Pony Express
252-Choice Choice
253-ScrEag Screaming Eagles
254-Poker Poker
255-Totem Totem
256-BotBEE Battle of the Bands: Encore Edition
257-YetSla Yeti Slalom
258-AtAES2 Apples to Apples - Expansion Set #2
259-MagKni Mage Knight
260-Jitte Jitters
261-Ghosts Ghosts!
262-MoA Merchants of Amsterdam, The
263-Andro Andromeda
264-Consp Conspiracy
265-Spy Spy
266-KvSD Kette von Saba, Die
267-SWED Star Wars: Epic Duels
268-AAM Axis & Allies Miniatures
269-DDM Dungeons & Dragons Miniatures
270-Vicer Viceroys
271-GSR Great Space Race, The
272-Als194 Alsace 1945
273-RedVen Red Vengeance
274-KinMe King Me!
275-Hellas Hellas
276-Clipp Clippers
277-ModArt Modern Art
278-Roma Roma
279-Goldb Goldbräu
280-SoCCG Settlers of Catan Card Game, The
281-CTD Carcassonne - The Discovery
282-BigDea Big Deal
283-Clo9 Cloud 9
284-ParPar Paris Paris
285-JCS James Clavell's Shogun
286-DuD Drunter und Drüber
287-AtBfI1 Arcola, the Battle for Italy, 1796
288-Stree Streetcar
289-LucLoo Lucky Loop
290-PNCT PÜNCT
291-HaT Hare and Tortoise
292-SavCaf Savannah Café
293-TruCol True Colors
294-BLSH Buy Low Sell High
295-Poker Poker
296-OMoV Oltremare - Merchants of Venice
297-Druid Druidenwalzer
298-Barba Barbarossa
299-VanPla Vanished Planet
300-HolBlo Hollywood Blockbuster
301-HoiToi Hoity Toity
302-VegSho Vegas Showdown
303-Sleuth Sleuth
304-Schat Schatztaucher
305-Razzia Razzia
306-Rainb Rainbows
307-Grass Grass
308-GGS Garden Gnomes Society, The
309-DHdRDG Der Herr der Ringe: Die Gefährten
310-RebRai Rebel Rails
311-MGA Miscellaneous Game Accessory
312-SIM Scene It? - Movie
313-Java Java
314-HouDiv House Divided, A
315-HolBlo Hollywood Blockbuster
316-RP Rum & Pirates
317-Proph Prophecy
318-TPT8E Trivial Pursuit Totally 80s Edition
319-GloPur Global Pursuit
320-Attac Attacke
321-PotE Pillars of the Earth, The
322-Upwor Upwords
323-CTCoC Carcassonne - The Count of Carcassonne
324-RoboR RoboRally
325-VilPal Villa Paletti
326-HC Heimlich & Co.
 
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Play at home info
Genetitrade info can be found at:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/157035

or go straight to:

http://trac.slashhome.org/genetitrade/

It should run on any platform that you have python on, and for Windows users, Michael even has a windows installer (see download page).

Ok folks, the wants, they are all in! They are at:

http://activityclub.org/bgg/22435-officialwants.txt

For those playing at home save it to your local computer and that's the input file to Genetitrade. Your output file should, assuming I have the latest Genetitrade myself, should have the following line in the header:

# Input checksum: ed6c7840a704f2c7e9a5f0d19b6d49d4

Genetitrade pruned down the list to 197 items (that means the other 129 are untradable... either because they had empty want lists, everything they wanted had empty want lists, were unwanted themselves, or just couldn't possibly complete a chain.
 
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Results
Looks like my 145 result set is the winning one...

The summary sorted alphabetically by bgg username with links into the BGG trading system for proposing the trades is at:

http://activityclub.org/bgg/22435-results-summary.html

The raw data can be found at:

http://activityclub.org/bgg/22435-results.txt

and the raw data but with lot names converted to game names (with the trade chain groupings preserved) can be found at:

http://activityclub.org/bgg/22435-results-simple.txt

Note: none of thse list the sweeteners... use either the online too or the geeklist to see the sweeteners that go with each lot.

Terry is the big trader of all time with 28 trades! Only receiving 2 duplicate items I believe!
 
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I have 2 questions regarding duplicates and allowable sweeteners.


1. Are we allowed to duplicate sweeteners as long as they weren't the main game? For instance, I have a couple Counts of Carcassonne that I wanted to include as sweeteners for 2 different listings. Is that okay?


2. Can we include sweeteners that are out of the scope of BGG like Geek Gold or other non-game items?

Thanks! meeple
 
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80sGirl wrote:
1. Are we allowed to duplicate sweeteners as long as they weren't the main game? For instance, I have a couple Counts of Carcassonne that I wanted to include as sweeteners for 2 different listings. Is that okay?
A small sweetener/game like that sounds ok. The intent is to give some level of fairness (I actually have multiple copies of a fair number of my games in this math trade), and as long as the intent isn't violated, I don't think it's a problem.

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2. Can we include sweeteners that are out of the scope of BGG like Geek Gold or other non-game items?
Sure go ahead. Geekgold has traded well in other math trades.
 
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Requests....
It seems to work in other math trades... to have folks list requests for games they'd like to be offered in the math trade. So I'll start off...

Amulett, das
Antike
Antiquity
Arkadia
Balloon Cup
Blue Moon City (Reiner Knizia)
Caylus Magna Carta
& cetera (roads&boats expansion
City and Guilds
Colossal Arena
Guatemala Cafe
Khronos
Lifeboats
Medici
Medieval Merchant
Mogul
Notre Dame
Primordial Soup
Space Dealer
Thurn & Taxis: for Power & Glory
Vikings (a.k.a Wikinger)
Ys
Yspahan
Zooloretto
 
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Online want list generator/editor
It's not a requirement, but I strongly suggest everyone in the math trade use the online want list generator/editor. Most folks prefer it as you get to see a snapshot of the entire geeklist on one page, easily keep track of your wants, and then edit your wants. And for this math trade I'll hopefully also have it setup so you can submit your wants as well, so that you have almost zero chance of a cut/paste error.

For those who haven't used it before you can check out the limited and verbose documention at:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/159648

or you could just jump right into the tool at:

http://activityclub.org/bgg/mathtrade.cgi

(a login link at the bottom will appear if you haven't used it before or the cookie was lost and you need to relogin)
 
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JeffyJeff wrote:
It seems to work in other math trades... to have folks list requests for games they'd like to be offered in the math trade. So I'll start off...
add your Princes of the Renaissance...
 
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Hmmm. Amazing that we completed 75 trades last time around. I just took a trip down memory lane and looked at the old Geeklist. A lot of the games listed then, and the people offering them, look kinda familiar
 
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Please add:

Dynasties
Thebes
1870
End of the Triumvirate
Sword of Rome
 
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More requests:

El Caballero
Imperial
Mission: Red Planet
Railroad Tycoon
Showmanager
Starfarers of Catan
Winds Of Plunder
 
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Reminder: deadline to add games is tomorrow (Monday) 3pm
Reminder: deadline to add games is tomorrow (Monday) 3pm
 
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Jeff,

I'm working on my entries...all my formatting got messed up. I'm speedily trying to put in my 8 entries right now.

Lynda (80sGirl)
 
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I'm working on my entries...all my formatting got messed up. I'm speedily trying to put in my 8 entries right now.
Sounds good... give me the word when you are done... I won't lock the list down until you are done (or it's after 3pm, which ever comes later).
 
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I'm finished! Sorry for the delay! Had to look up all the game ids, image ids, and reformat everything all over again!
 
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Haste makes waste! I just saw Jeff's email to me after I said I was done...just so everyone knows...there's an extra image in my posting for the trivia games (items for #319) - it's of Battle of the Sexes. Well, it shouldn't be there along with a description line just before it but rather got copied by accident. Was supposed to only be in the party game items #318 I submitted.
 
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Summary posted, want lists due this Thursday 4pm
Summary and instructions for submitting want lists posted above... see

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1593908#1593908

I again strongly suggest everyone at least try out the online want list generator/editor, which for this math trade is also setup for submitting your want lists (using the tool to submit will also geekmail you an English summary of your want lists submitted). You can also re-submit as with the online tool if you want to.

Want lists due this Thursday 4pm
 
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I changed the final deadline for the results to be submitted to me (for those running Genetitrade at home) and for when I'd post the winning result set and summary.

I have to be somewhere at noon time Saturday so the new deadline if you are playing at home to send me your results is now 10am, and I'll have the winner and easy to read summary posted by 10:30am.
 
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For those using the online want list generator/editor... when you are ready to submit your want lists... please do so within the tool itself... after you have "Confirm Changes" in Step 4/5 for the the final time, click on the dark green tab "How to Submit Your Lists" and then click "Submit My Wants" after optionally checking one last time the summary below.

Doing it this way avoids two (2) cut/pastes where an error could be introduced... and doing it this way also results in the tool geekmail'ing you a summary of what you submitted in summary format.

Note also that with the tool it's also easy even after submitting your wants to make more changes and re-submit up until the deadline.

Thanks!

Jeff
 
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What a wonderful tool! Quite a time saver and easy to use! meeple
 
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20/32 folks have submitted their lists already
Thought I've give an update with about 26 hours til the deadline.

20 of the 32 folks in the math trade have submitted want lists so far. It should also be noted that all of those 20 did so using on the online want list generator/editor/submission tool.

I'll send a reminder geekmail to those who have not submitted yet

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I wish I'd thought to read the comments on this thread before the end of submissions... not that it would've changed what I added, but there are a few requests that I would have considered putting up here.

Ah, well, good games are available as it is. I'm getting excited, hoping I get to make at least a few trades.
 
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Waiting for lists from only 1 more!
5 1.25 hours til the deadline... and only waiting for lists from 2 1 more folks, that combined have 16 8 items.

joemac2 (Joseph McSweeney)
hotc (Walter Hunt)
viola617 (Amy Swartz)

That does mean 302 318 lists are in! So either way we are looking good....

a test run with the wants thus far found 100 items trading in under 3 minutes! If we get in those other 24 lists that contain items that are indeed "wanted" it should be even more... (plus running it for a longer time of course with more folks running Genetitrade, we should be able to squeeze the most trades possible out of it).
 
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