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Re: What are your toughs on inserts (like broken token)
Couldn't be more of a waste of money.

Ziploc bags and Plano boxes work perfectly.

Expensive inserts are like big fancy gaming tables - just ways for rich nerds to scream LOOK HOW INTO THE HOBBY I AM! I'M WAY MORE INTO THE HOBBY THAN YOU ARE!
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Re: What are your toughs on inserts (like broken token)
I am very happy with my Broken Token inserts... except when I decide to sell the game, then I am sad I spent the money on the insert. (I sell games at flea markets, not for anything like they are worth.) However, as long as I keep the game I'm pleased.

edit: I almost forgot: LOOK HOW INTO THE HOBBY I AM! I'M WAY MORE INTO THE HOBBY THAN YOU ARE!
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I can take or leave 'em, and they're hardly a deciding point for whether I buy a game or not. That, coupled with the fact that a significant number of them aren't well designed (e.g. all the components don't fit, or are difficult to remove when stored in the insert) means that it's not uncommon for me to toss the insert in the trash right from the start. Another common issue I find myself having to deal with is that even well designed inserts are quickly rendered obsolete once an expansion to a game is released, and I typically end up tossing the insert in order to make room for the additional components. Honestly, I'd prefer to have a game's price dropped by a buck or two and have no insert.
 
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I would love to have inserts for some of my games, but with leaving not in the USA
The shipping makes them not economical to purchase
 
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I am very happy with my Broken Token inserts... except when I decide to sell the game, then I am sad I spent the money on the insert. (I sell games at flea markets, not for anything like they are worth.) However, as long as I keep the game I'm pleased.

edit: I almost forgot: LOOK HOW INTO THE HOBBY I AM! I'M WAY MORE INTO THE HOBBY THAN YOU ARE!


Thanks for that.

I needed a good laugh this afternoon.

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For most games, I don't think they are necessary (although nice to have).

For some games, they can make an enormous difference.

Case in point: Caverna: The Cave Farmers

The Broken Token insert I have takes an overly long setup time and reduces it to a very short setup time. Well worth whatever I paid for it at a convention! We're not talking a saving of a couple minutes per play. We're talking saving fifteen minutes to a half hour on setup. That's a big deal!
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Cool looking, but the smoke isn't good for inserts or anything else.


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They are expensive though, and do make the games heavier, so I think I’ll have to consider making foam core inserts for future games.

Just checking, but I'm assuming you're strictly referring the foam to the wood? In cases where you store expansions along with the base game box, of course it's going to be heavier

Also.. are they really that much more heavier? I figured the total amount of material added up would be more on the trivial side.
 
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For me, they aren't worth the money, but they seem really nice and I know people who like them.

The cheaper alternative is making your own sweet inserts with foamcore. I really like that, but it is time-consuming. Once I bought some materials to start doing foamcore, I found how cheap it could be. I bought a big pack on Amazon and have made multiple inserts without using half of it yet. Much cheaper if you don't consider the time. If I instead just worked more overtime at work I could make the money faster, but then there isn't the extra fun "I made this" end of it, either.
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I don't like any of the usual inserts, I hate the wooden stuff. I've started to make my own foamcore inserts instead (I hate having dozens of baggies) with Plano type boxes for tokens. I like being able to organize things to my tastes rather than someone else's.
 
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Re: What are your toughs on inserts (like broken token)
Meh. Unless the game really needs it, I'll pass (I have one for Caverna, btw). I'd rather spend the money on another game.
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Also.. are they really that much more heavier? I figured the total amount of material added up would be more on the trivial side.


In some cases, yes. The Terraforming Mars insert adds a lot of heft as it also includes wooden player trays (to replace the cards) with [what I think is] MDF bottoms. One of the best inserts in my opinion.
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Expensive inserts are like big fancy gaming tables - just ways for rich nerds to scream LOOK HOW INTO THE HOBBY I AM! I'M WAY MORE INTO THE HOBBY THAN YOU ARE!


So is sleeving cards OK or nah? Painting figures? How about just ONE figure?

Why even buy board games at all when we can use sticks and rocks?

I don't even use sticks or rocks.

I just think of the game I want to play, and then "play" it in my head. I call it the "iGame." So all you "rich nerds" can keep wasting your money to show off how much you're into the hobby, when I can play all the games I want, anytime I want, free of charge!

cool

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Re: What are your toughs on inserts (like broken token)
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Some of our organizers are $15 - $30 dollars, so "expensive" really just depends on your budget I guess.

No need to guess. Just figure the cost of the insert relative to the cost the game itself.
 
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I LOVE Broken Token’s inserts. I wish I had em in all my games. Prices I think are pretty fair, but since they technically take away from my gaming budget I tend to just get them for games they really benefit. Gloomhaven, most of Uwe’s big games, I’ll get the Scythe one soon.

Like em though. Great quality, impressive design specially speaking, and I’ll continue to buy from them.
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I thought inserts we're silly until I played Castles of Mad King Ludwig and spent about 10 minutes removing tiles from baggies, and setting up. When I realized my wife loved the game, I knew I needed to shorten the setup time. I picked up an insert and now setup is a matter of seconds. Later I got an insert for Caverna: The Cave Farmers. I had used Plano boxes previously but that was still not ideal. The insert not only helps with setup but organization, and gameplay as well. My third insert is for Terraforming Mars. The only reason I got it was to replace the player boards so the cubes don't move around if bumped. The organization and improved setup is a bonus. I found that I do enjoy building the inserts so I see it as a side hobby, sort of like painting. However, I am reluctant to buy an insert unless the game really needs it.
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We recently bought a number of Broken Token inserts to consolidate expansions into boxes, particularly when cards are sleeved. It is nice to have everything together. It is nice to find the starting decks. I really don't care if anyone ever sees them other than us. Our success with fit has been a bit variable but I have been overall pleased with how they go together and how it makes a difference. We are not going to do it if we don't think we will replay the game frequently. It can be a monetary trade off, but sometimes a more enjoyable experience with a favorite game is worth more than buying a new game we may or may not like.
 
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gspence wrote:
Some of our organizers are $15 - $30 dollars, so "expensive" really just depends on your budget I guess.

No need to guess. Just figure the cost of the insert relative to the cost the game itself.


This.

For me the relative cost to the game is what makes it expensive.

For example, for Scythe I paid 55 usd.

And the prices of the inserts are:

Broken token: 49.99 (plus shipping and tax)

Daedalus: 45 (plus shipping and tax)

So... for me those are expensive prices.

 
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Does nobody else worry about the acids in the wood damaging the game?

Obviously the paper/cardboard components aren't of archival quality, and I won't be playing the game 50 years from now, but storing a valued game in something that breaks it down faster seems counter-intuitive to me.

I have the Broken Token insert for Codenames (it's a cheap game), but I just can't bring myself to use them for any others I own.
 
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If I instead just worked more overtime at work I could make the money faster, but then there isn't the extra fun "I made this" end of it, either.

There's also burnout to consider. If I put in overtime for every luxury purchase I made I would probably end up hating my job. Choosing between an additional 3 hours at work or 10 hours making stuff at home is easy for me.
 
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Re: What are your toughs on inserts (like broken token)
Inserts aren't necessarily for storage. Most FFG inserts are designed only for transport, so that the customer has an intact game with undamaged components. (Replacing parts can be costly.)

For many gamers, space is a premium, and most game boxes sell air. Some games have expansions, so an organizer would definitely help them.

As a painter, I've noticed custom organizers on KS, for workspace use, travel sets, etc.
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Waste of money better spent on new games. Plastic bags all I need.
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I usually put them on my Christmas list for my wife. I enjoy putting them together and they really do make game setup significantly faster.

With that said, I really only look to get inserts for games I play often or games where the pieces are practically spilling out of the box. I’m looking at you, Talisman!
 
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I have two and I love them both.. Both purchased so that I could fit the base game and all expansions in the same box. King of Tokyo and Lords of Waterdeep. I'll probably get the Blood Rage one after I start painting my minis.


Is there really any reason for a Blood Rage insert?

I have only the base game and my personal opinion is that is one of the few games that really dont need an insert.


You can fit the game and all expansions in the core box with an insert. I suppose you can also do that if you scrap the existing packaging and bag the contents. But, that can mess up paint jobs and potentially break more fragile bits like shares.
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Re: What are your toughs on inserts (like broken token)
For games I love that could use the organization and ease of setup, I'll happily buy them. I have one for Imperial Assault that makes everything easier. I'm still putting together my Gloomhaven Broken Token insert, but what's completed so far seems great.

I would buy a really good organizer for Small World, but settled for some craft containers and baggies. And, I'll probably get ones for Anachrony and Blood Rage at some point.

Other games I'm happy to use the existing insert or baggies.
 
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