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FleaCon 2017 / San Diego No-Ship Math Trade


Dates
- Submissions close: Wednesday, December 6 at 11:59pm
- Wants due: Wednesday, December 13 at 8pm
- Results posted: Soon after close
- Trades: Saturday, December 16 at FleaCon at 10:30am.


This is a FleaCon / San Diego no-ship math trade.
Important: If you or a representative of yours can't make it to FleaCon at that time, then it's your responsibility to get your games to the recipient and pick up any games that are intended for you (either set up a mutually agreed upon alternate meeting time and place, arrange for someone else to attend and handle the trades on your behalf, or arrange shipping for the items you are giving and receiving at your expense).
You do not have to be a FleaCon participant to participate in the trade, although the event is free for buyers.


Trade Geeklist: https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/233049/fleacon-2017-san-d...

MATH TRADE RULES AND GUIDELINES:

OLWLG REQUIRED
1. Use of the On-Line Want List Generator (OLWLG) is required for this math trade. (http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/) Please get comfortable with it before the end of the trade. If you have questions, I suggest you post them in the discussion thread (link above). Myself or other users are happy to help you. There are several useful links to help you learn how to use the OLWLG at the bottom of this post.

ITEMS ALLOWED
2. Board and card games, BGG-related items, RPG items, video games, cash equivalent items (gift certificates, PayPal, etc.), and Geek Gold are allowed in this math trade. Cash equivalent items will need to be entered in the marketplace so BGG can collect their 3% commission for sales. Click here for more information on these Guidelines.

ARBITRAGE
3. Absolutely no GC/GG arbitrage, meaning you may not trade any gift card or GG lot for one of greater value. I will allow you to trade GC's for equal or lesser valued actual, physical GC's. Remember, if you intend to trade for cash equivalents, you must pay BGG a 3% commission. (See Guidelines link in rule #2, above)

You may not both simultaneously buy GG for cash equivalents and sell GG for cash equivalents in the same trade. Meaning if you intend to offer GG and request CE's for those listings, you may not also offer CE's and request GG, or vice versa. You may either be a buyer or seller, but not both during the same trade. This does not apply to any transaction where an actual game is being traded, strictly GG for CE and CE for GG transactions.

If, when the trade is run, there is a case of arbitrage, that user (including all of their items and wants) will be removed from the trade and the trade will be re-run. At the discretion of the moderator, that user may be banned from participating in future math trades.

Be cautious when using the OLWLG auto-check feature. It is not aware of the rules against arbitrage and will check boxes that may result in arbitrage. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to review the checks that the auto-check feature selects.

ITEM DESCRIPTION
4. You must describe, as accurately as possible, the condition of the components and box, the language, and edition of your item and any sweeteners. You must inventory the game's components and list anything missing and/or damaged. If you do not, the game is expected to be complete, in like-new condition and be the most recent English edition.

If you list the condition of the item as anything less than excellent, you should be describing the issue(s) making you rate it less than excellent.

Language such as "components not inventoried", "no guarantee", "recipient's responsibility to contact publisher in the event of missing pieces", etc. is NOT ALLOWED. Listings with such disclaimers will be removed from the trade. At the moderator's discretion, the user may be removed from the trade.

5. Add sweeteners by typing the name of the game into the "board game" box of drop down menu so they properly display in the OLWLG.

6. Do not use a item type listing for an item unless you are offering that item, this also applies to listings using hyperlinks in the description. For example, do not list the item as the game if you're only offering certain components for that game. When in doubt, use "outside the scope of BGG" as the main listing.

7. Items may be edited after listing. This editing MAY include downgrading the initial listing. Should changes to a listing be made, the OLWLG will alert all users who have already selected the item as a want. It is THEIR responsibility to review and accept the changes (or remove the item from their wantlist).

8. If you wish to remove an item for consideration, DELETE the item. The OLWLG handles this just fine (See #9, below).

9. Subscribe to any and all items you are interested in, rather than writing down the number. If you write down the number and an item gets removed, the number will change.

PARTICIPANT OBLIGATIONS
10. Please subscribe to all of your listings and publicly acknowledge all questions. The OLWLG will let you know if any of your items have unanswered comments.

11. It is customary to enter all trades into the BGG trading system. This is most easily done if the items you are trading are listed in your collection and are marked as "For Trade". Please endeavor to do so and to leave feedback once the trade is completed. Under most circumstances, positive feedback should be given for the empty half of the math trade.

12. PLEASE BE AWARE THAT ENTERING INTO THIS MATH TRADE IS A COMMITMENT TO TRADE THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE INDICATING YOU ARE WILLING TO TRADE FOR YOUR WANTED ITEMS. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DOUBLE CHECK DUPLICATE PROTECTION AND CHECK BOXES. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO TRADE ONE OF YOUR ITEMS FOR ANOTHER ITEM, DO NOT INCLUDE IT IN YOUR WANTLIST. THE RESULTS, ONCE POSTED, ARE BINDING.

MODERATOR RESPONSIBILITY
13. Only errors by the moderator will invalidate the results. In the case that there is a problem after the results are posted, at most it will only invalidate the affected trade chain(s) and not the entire results set. In addition if the problem can be resolved by the most directly affected party or parties, then that is perfectly acceptable.

14. Decisions to anything that comes up regarding this math trade are decided by me. If you do not agree to me making such decisions, then don't participate in the math trade.

A general note:

While > 99% of the time trades go through smoothly, you are dealing with humans. Humans let other humans down and sometimes take advantage of them. Humans also sometimes make mistakes. If you are not ready to accept this fact, I suggest you refrain from entering this trade.

Please remember, every green check mark in the OLWLG means you are agreeing to make that trade. Once you submit your wants and the window to resubmit closes, you've agreed to those trades, and are expected to honor them, even in the event of a mistake.

I am running this trade because math trades are fun, exciting, and just plain awesome. Most of my collection has come from math trades. I am under no obligation to make everyone happy, nor will I try. Should you not like the above rules and guidelines, please refrain from entering.

HELPFUL LINKS
While there is a lot of useful information in these links, so of the information may be a bit outdated. The above rules of this trade take precedence over infomation in these links.
Math_Trades - If you're new to math trades, follow this link to learn the ropes.
Math Trades for Dummies - Another good intro.
OLWLG - Read here for help using the On-Line Want List Generator to submit your want list.
Math Trade Video Tutorials - Tutorial videos
Rahdo Runs Through Math Trades video - covers all aspects of math trades

Math trades might look a bit complicated at first, but they're really easy once you get the hang of them.

Good luck and happy trading!
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It's probably my age showing, but 10:30pm feels awfully late in the evening to meet and exchange for me.
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Okay, fine... You twisted my arm. I'll change it to am when it can actually coincide with FleaCon.
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My games are feeling very lonely on the list
 
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I put some games that I don't want on the list to keep the games you don't want company.
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Much better..... now we just need a couple hundred more and hopefully at least one I want
 
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Hello,

I just added a few games...

Do I need to add them through the OLWLG too, or is the done automatically?

Thanks in advance for the Math Trade.
 
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It's done automatically for you when I sporadically tell the OLWLG to udpate.
 
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I am strapped for cash, so the trading is great for me. I have a few games I will add to the list. I have never used math trades yet, so thanks for adding the helpful hints.

FleaCon also gives me an excuse to check out my buddy's wife's dance studio. Bonus, it is 5 minutes away from my house. What a great idea.
 
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I've cleaned up my listings and I've posted what is unfortunately my last game to post.

It would be really nice if people would stop deleting the items I want.
 
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Its been a while since using the olwlg, where is the submit button? im at the edit your wants in step 4 and im stuck.
 
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derp its not closed yet... carry on
 
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Does ordering your wants or your own items do anything other then make your wants page look more orderly?

I have a ton of items I'm willing to trade the same stuff for, but I would like some of them more then others... does ordering them make it more likely?
 
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No. There is no sort of priorities used in your typical OLWLG math trade.
 
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Guys, I'm really sorry but I submitted my want list the first day it closed and then forgot about this math trade. I guess I was expecting a 24 hour reminder. Two of my games (New York 1901 and Ticket to Ride Europe) were traded in the National math trade.

How should I proceed? I want to be fair so let me know.
 
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Colin -

Reminders did go out to the people who hadn't submitted.

The bottom line is that you're expected to provide those games to the people who traded for them. It is within their rights so to speak to request you obtain those games for them. Unlike a nation wide shipping trade, we're all local and will be together to pass off the games. There's less pressure without the out of pocket shipping expenses. Speaking for myself, I'm way looser with what I'll trade for what when I don't need to pay for shipping. I'd suspect you could come to an agreement (monetary, other games, buy them something at FleaCon, etc) with the people you owe those games to.

Talk to them and see where you stand.
 
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Okay thanks, will do.
 
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William

Thanks for managing this.

Harold
 
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I have some personal issues that are preventing me from attending this weekend. Only 1 of my games was due to be given and I was due to receive 1 as well.

I have geekmailed the partied involved and apologized to them as well. I hope the trade can be rerun without me.

Again, I apologize.

 
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hankhankhank wrote:
William

Thanks for managing this.

Harold


Agreed, thank you William for putting this together. Math trades are my favorite. Purging with a side of gambling. I ended up with Pax Porfiriana and I have no clue if I'll like it or get anyone to play it with me. Board Game life
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Found somemone that is willing to help. So I will be giving my game to trade and he will be receiving it.
 
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This was my first math trade and it was entirely worth it!

Thanks everyone for participating...I can't wait for the next one!!
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I delivered all 4 but was only able to pick up three. My copy of 7 Wonders Duel and
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were no where to be found. Geek mail sent. Anyone else end up short?
 
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Sorry to hear that Harold. I finally found him at the very end to pick up my game. He had a booth in the opposite corner of the room from where the Math Trade pick up table was located.
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