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Tonight Nikki, Aaron, Mike, Mark, Dave, Lincoln and special guest via Skype, Scott (Aldie), discuss Modern board game classic from 2007 and earlier on GameNight!

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Games discussed on the show:
Turfmaster - Albrecht Nolte
Can't Stop - Sid Sackson
Survive! - Julian Courtland-Smith
Acquire - Sid Sackson
For Sale - Stefan Dorra
Royal Turf - Reiner Knizia
Harry's Grand Slam Baseball - Harry Obst
Arkham Horror - Richard Launius & Kevin Wilson
No Thanks! - Thorsten Gimmler
Lord of the Rings - Reiner Knizia
Torres - Wolfgang Kramer & Michael Kiesling
Bohnanza - Uwe Rosenberg
Thurn and Taxis - Karen Seyfarth and Andreas Seyfarth
Wyatt Earp - Richard Borg & Mike Fitzgerald
Settlers of Catan - Klaus Teuber
Vinci - Philippe Keyaerts
Carcassonne: the Castle - Klaus-Jürgen Wrede, Reiner Knizia
Dune - Bill Eberle, Jack Kittredge, Peter Olotka
Show Manager - Dirk Henn
Mr. President - Jack Carmichael
Take it Easy! - Peter Burley
Coloretto - Michael Schacht
Traumfabrik - Reiner Knizia
San Juan - Andreas Seyfarth
Time's Up - Peter Sarrett
Caylus - William Attia
En Garde - Reiner Knizia
Samurai - Reiner Knizia
Alhambra - Dirk Henn
Puerto Rico - Andreas Seyfarth
Web of Power - Michael Schacht
Schotten Totten - Reiner Knizia
Medici - Reiner Knizia
Tigris & Euphrates - Reiner Knizia
Ra - Reiner Knizia
Vegas Showdown - Henry Stern
Tumblin' Dice - Carey Grayson, Randy Nash, Rick Soued
Ingenious - Reiner Knizia
Agricola - Uwe Rosenberg
Goa - Rüdiger Dorn
Basari or Edel, Stein & Reich - Reinhard Staupe
Circus Flohcati - Reiner Knizia
Louis XIV - Rüdiger Dorn
Through the Desert - Reiner Knizia
Big Boss - Wolfgang Kramer
Mr. Jack - Bruno Cathala, Ludovic Maublanc
St. Petersburg - Bernd Brunnhofer
Industrial Waste - Jürgen Strohm
Schnäppchen Jagd - Uwe Rosenberg
Ticket to Ride - Alan R. Moon
Around the World in 80 Days - Michael Rieneck
Carcassonne: Hunters and Gatherers - Klaus-Jürgen Wrede
Die Macher - Karl-Heinz Schmiel
Diamant or Incan Gold - Alan R. Moon & Bruno Faidutti
King of Siam - Peer Sylvester
Magic: The Gathering - Richard Garfield
Descent: Journeys in the Dark - Kevin Wilson
Hansa - Michael Schacht
Crokinole - Designer unknown
Africa - Reiner Knizia
Spekulation - Dirk Henn
Power Grid - Friedemann Friese
Amun-Re - Reiner Knizia
Liberté - Martin Wallace
Princes of the Renaissance - Martin Wallace
Tikal - Michael Kiesling & Wolfgang Kramer
Space Hulk - Richard Halliwell
Brass - Martin Wallace
Thebes - Peter Prinz
Exxtra - Reiner Knizia
Lost Cities - Reiner Knizia
Race for the Galaxy - Thomas Lehmann
El Grande - Wolfgang Kramer & Richard Ulrich
Twilight Struggle - Ananda Gupta & Jason Matthews
Here I Stand - Ed Beach
Fury of Dracula - Stephen Hand, Kevin Wilson
Reef Encounter - Richard Breese
Entdecker - Klaus Teuber
Meuterer - Marcel-André Casasola Merkle
Tichu - Urs Hostettler
Warrior Knights - Derek Carver, Pierre Cléquin, Bruno Faidutti, Corey Konieczka

Thanks for your support and for watching.
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Uh, really excited about this one.

I know it's a ton of work already and it's very wishful thinking, but I'd really love to see some "classic" GameNight maybe alternating with the current one that is mostly new games. Maybe now that Lincoln works for BGG there is a chance for an episode like this once in a while?
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I loved this show! Lots of my favorite games, and some games I have avoided until now, but that I will take another look at now. I hate the cult of the new among certain segments of BGG. Good to see many Knizia games on the list!
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Thanks for this one, guys! Really a nice New Years surprise. Despite only being in the hobby a few years, these are many of the games I love the most. Have definitely stood the test of time.
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Great episode! I loved the discussion about the games, some of which I had never heard of, so I am off to check them out.
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Wow, excellent video! This discussion is extremely helpful for relative newcomers to the industry who might not have firsthand experience with the games mentioned. I feel like I have a much deeper understanding of Knizia's work and how it affected so many genres in very profound ways.

I will definitely be doing some more research on a few of the listed titles, but for the most part I am happy to play the games descended from this list. It was really cool to discover how King Ludwig is related to Vegas Showdown, etc.

I recommend this video for any fellow rookies who want to learn their board game history. Thanks so much for this video!!
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Definitely a great video. You don't see a game played but you follow a nice long conversation about the games that still get a special place in our minds and memories after 10+ years. It's worth watching it not only if you want to see if these guys share the same impressions about a game as you do but also if you want to know a little more about some games that passed under your radar.
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This was cool. As someone who only got into the hobby really in late 2014 and joined BGG early 2015, I don't have as much appreciation for as many old games. That said, I could make a list of five games from 2007 and before that I really enjoy. I think it would be:

1. Brass
2. Chicago Express/Wabash Cannonball
3. 18xx (if I had to pick a favorite from pre-2007 I think it would be 1861, but I definitely have limited experience with that one. Admittedly I'm pretty much a novice to the system overall. 1830 still definitely holds up as well.)
4. Tigris and Euphrates
5. Tichu

And as an honorable mention, I really think Siena does some cool things, but it's just too rough around the edges for it to be a game that I'd want to go back to over and over.

And honestly, as a newer person I definitely still prefer the modern style euro first and foremost, but making this list and seeing your lists does make me appreciate the past a bit more.
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My number one and two games of all time are from pre-2007 but are not on this list - Indonesia and Age of Steam
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Great seeing Aldie there and and some remarkable insight: "Settlers of Catan changed my life, BGG might not have begun without Settlers." Also great comments about Caylus and Tigrus & Euphrates. I got into Euro games in the late 90's and I will never forget the impact of Settlers (now Catan), Elfenland, and others. These (and now about 200 games later) have brought along great friends I have made along with memories I will always treasure.

In a way, for me, this was a nostalgic trip. Being age 61, a lot of young people can't remember life befor the Euro games - originally called German style games.

My list would include:
1. Power Grid
2. Puerto Rico
3. Settlers of Catan
4. Caylus
5. Elfenland (2nd euro game)
6. Formula De (1st game that was not American, not sure it would be considered a Euro)
7. Age of Steam
8. Agricola
9. Hermagor (under the radar but has best bidding system of all time, area control, pickup & delivery, and stock manipulation. Everyone ought to play this once at least).
10. El Grande - like the Rose Bowl, the Granddaddy of them all.

Thanks for the video. Awesome!
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aplassard wrote:
My number one and two games of all time are from pre-2007 but are not on this list - Indonesia and Age of Steam

Andrew, I’ve heard nothing but great things about Indonesia but I’ve never played it. It seems to be more available now so I might finally get it.

As for Age of Steam, that is a great game but didn’t make it into my top games. I even own several maps for it. I’d still play it any time.

Thanks for the note and for watching.
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Here's a compiled list of all the designers that appeared 3 times or more (and their counts):

Reiner Knizia 17
Wolfgang Kramer 4
Uwe Rosenberg 3
Michael Schacht 3
Martin Wallace 3
Andreas Seyfarth 3
Dirk Henn 3
Kevin Wilson 3
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Three of the games discussed have been featured on episodes of GameNight!

Vinci
Bohnanza
Circus Flohcati
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Absolutely! It was a fun video and I really enjoyed learning about some interesting games.

Hopefully you can try before you buy Indonesia since it has a hefty price tag!

heccubus wrote:
aplassard wrote:
My number one and two games of all time are from pre-2007 but are not on this list - Indonesia and Age of Steam

Andrew, I’ve heard nothing but great things about Indonesia but I’ve never played it. It seems to more available now so I might finally get it.

As for Age of Steam, that is a great game but didn’t make it into my top games. I even own several maps for it. I’d still play it any time.

Thanks for the note and for watching.
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Thanks for an entertaining show!

It was particularly interesting to hear so many of my favorites brought up. Though - I'm amused to note that 20 of my 21 favorite games would actually qualify, and I'd only have to go as far as my #41 game overall to reach 30 titles.

FWLIW, my top 20 from 2007 or before:

1 Die Siedler von Catan
2 Bridge
3 2038
4 Advanced Civilization
5 Merchant of Venus
6 1846
7 Saint Petersburg
8 Res Publica
9 Frisch Fisch
10 Race For the Galaxy
11 Euphrat & Tigris
12 Thebes
13 Schnäppchen Jagd
14 Ticket To Ride
15 Bohnanza
16 La Città
17 Sextet
18 Acquire
19 Africa
20 Canal Mania

Nice to see 10 of my 20 get some mention...

Edit: Since Tom mentioned the idea of games being retired - none of these is retired for me; I've played all of them at least once every one of the past seven years; the one I've likely played least is Advanced Civilization, and I've played it 10 times the last seven years.
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Thanks for these! I came back to board gaming after this time so I'm not familiar with quite a few of these titles!
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I greatly enjoyed this episode. Thank you.

I was born '79. (Bear with me; this is background info only to introduce some honorable mentions!) I grew up playing mass market games (mostly crap, but some great stuff like Stratego, HeroQuest, and Clue Museum Caper). I discovered Magic: The Gathering in '93 and played for a couple of years, but teenage distractions kept me from getting in too deep. I was introduced to Settlers of Catan in 2002/2003 and there was no looking back.

As I explored new games over the next few years, it is this period of '96-'07 that is exactly what I was exploring. It is this period that is still the Golden Age to me. Knizia is still king. So I guess it's no surprise that I loved this conversation.

For what it's worth, here's my Top 20 Modern Board Game Classics 2007 and Earlier. There's a lot of overlap with the lists in the video, but also a few unique titles that reflect my own interests (specifically, there are more abstracts here; and the Gipf series should get an honorable mention as well!) I could easily add another 20 worthy games, but I feel pretty good about these. They're all absolute favorites of mine.

20. Medici
19. Through the Desert
18. Twilight Struggle
17. Antike
16. Coloretto
15. Terra Nova
14. Mexica
13. Ziegen Kriegen
12. No Thanks!
11. Saint Petersburg
10. Lost Cities
09. Carcassonne
08. Hive
07. Caylus
06. Age of Steam
05. Agricola
04. Tikal
03. Tigris & Euphrates
02. Hammer of the Scots
01. Bladder
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As someone who discovered the Eurogame in 1988 (Targui), this was awesome. Of the list of games in the OP’s post, 35 of them still live on in my collection.

Great stuff.
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My Top 20 from 2007 and earlier (in alphabetical order):

1846: The Race for the Midwest
El Grande
Empire Builder
Eurorails
India Rails
Lost Cities
Medici
Napoleon at Waterloo
Outpost
Paths of Glory
Power Grid
The Princes of Florence
Race for the Galaxy
San Juan
Taj Mahal
Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization
Titan
Web of Power
Wyatt Earp

But it's almost just a list of my 20 favorite games of all time.

My top 21 favorites of all time would be this list plus 1880: China, which came out in 2010.
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Eric Brosius wrote:
My Top 20 from 2007 and Earlier (in alphabetical order):


Couldn't resist

1830
Africa
Blue Moon
Cockroach Poker
EastFront
Euphrat & Tigris
Goa
Hannibal: Rome vs Carthage
Lord of the Rings
Lord of the Rings: The Confrontation
Lost Cities
Paths of Glory
Puerto Rico
Ra
Roads & Boats
San Juan
Taj Mahal
The Princes of Florence
Trendy
War of the Ring
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Top 20 from 2007 and before:

1. Indonesia
2. Container
3. Chicago Express
4. Commands and Colors Ancients
5. Reef Encounter

6. Kaivai
7. Modern Art
8. Through the Desert
9. Neue Heimat
10. Antiquity

11. Torres
12. Bridges of Shangri-La
13. Samurai
14. Fresh Fish
15. Traders of Geno

16. Imperial
17. Age of Steam
18. Twilight Struggle
19. Die Macher
20. Origins: How We Became Human


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Great idea to take up.

Starting in 2007 and going backwards in time would give me this list of favourites:

Brass
Container
Neue Heimat
Imperial
1846: The Race for the Midwest
Glory to Rome
Indonesia
Goa
Hey, That's My Fish!
Kogge
Princes of the Renaissance
Santiago
Carcassonne
Chinatown
Lost Cities
Ra
ZÈRTZ
Bohnanza
Tigris & Euphrates
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Very interesting discussion though I'm quite astonished that Löwenherz/Domaine doesn't find a spot on any of the lists.
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I'm not going to compile a full list, but it would definitely include:
Source of the Nile
Empire Builder Rail Games
Cribbage
Keythedral
Illuminati
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