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Any suggestion is there any solo bot for TS, beside ipad digital version ?

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There are solo play rules in the Files section. I've played multiple games with it and I think it's really good. I've lost as much as I've won, so I'd say it's difficult but well-balanced.
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I can second that. I learnt a huge lot about the strategies in this game back in the day while playing against that solo bot in the files section, it is pretty good. Less convenient than the AI of the Steam version, obviously, but much more educational for beginners as it is following a documented algorithm, which is surprisingly smart.
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Can you point out exactly file in the file section?

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Can you point out exactly file in the file section?

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I'd assume this one.
 
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Actually, I think I had been using this, if I am not mistaken: Twilight Struggle AI by Jonathan Fanno. But I am pretty sure all the bots in the files section are great.
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OedipussyRex wrote:
ah3Dog wrote:
Can you point out exactly file in the file section?

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I'd assume this one.

Yes, this is the one I use. I wasn't aware the one mentioned by Gabor even existed, but it looks interesting, too. I'd suggest OP try both and decide which one he likes.
 
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Word of warning though. The SoloPlay one does change the rules quite a bit from the 2 player game:
o the scoring cards are handled in a totally different manner
o you're not really free to place your influence anywhere on the board without pretty severe penalties

I've enjoyed the SoloPlay solo quite a few times over the years, but always have to relearn it from scratch every time I come back to it. The rules are quite tough.

Wasn't aware of the other one. Looks interesting! Will give it a try very soon.
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Yep, I prefer the one with minor rule modification. whistle

 
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Is solo mode worthwhile for someone who plays only solitaire?
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Tony M wrote:
Is solo mode worthwhile for someone who plays only solitaire?

I'd definitely say so. I enjoy the bot system, as someone who plays solitaire.
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Is solo mode worthwhile for someone who plays only solitaire?

I'd definitely say so. I enjoy the bot system, as someone who plays solitaire.

Thank you very much. I'm intrigued by this game, but I've had enough of games that I'm never going to play. I just don't have money to waste.
 
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Tony M wrote:
imawesome13131313 wrote:
Tony M wrote:
Is solo mode worthwhile for someone who plays only solitaire?

I'd definitely say so. I enjoy the bot system, as someone who plays solitaire.

Thank you very much. I'm intrigued by this game, but I've had enough of games that I'm never going to play. I just don't have money to waste.
I think if you don't have at least occasionally a partner to play this with, don't buy the game. There is an excellent Steam version, with a pretty strong AI. Buy that one instead. I used to play TS solo myself only for a few months, to improve my skills at it, after that I switched to the Steam version, when it came out. These solo bots in the file section are much better for learning some (not so basic) game strategies than the Steam app, because the files actually tell you how the bot works, while an AI is a "black box".

Today, with the Steam app available, my best advice for a beginner would be to use the app, but print the solo bot I recommended earlier and have it at hand for help/guidance when playing against the AI.

Disclaimer: I don't like solo board gaming in general and I have never understood people who play multiplayer competitive games solo (unless for learning the game/rules), ESPECIALLY if there is a video game version. All that time setting up and packing away the game and moving all the little pieces for all the players - a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily.
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I would tend to agree. While playing it solo is fun, I don't know if it worth it for only solo play. For me personally, it's not. It would be something you'd bring out a couple of times a year rather than something that's going to stay fun for an extended period of time.





 
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Unless you can get a copy fairly inexpensively and you have the shelf space, I would not buy this game to play exclusively solitaire.
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Hmmm. Oh well. I guess I won't be buying this game.
 
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kissgg wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't like solo board gaming in general and I have never understood people who play multiplayer competitive games solo (unless for learning the game/rules), ESPECIALLY if there is a video game version. All that time setting up and packing away the game and moving all the little pieces for all the players - a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily.

Because board games are still fairly niche and not all of us have other people to play with? But if you're seriously going to go down that route, I should probably point out that all board games are an unnecessary waste of time, regardless of if there's a 100 players or just 1. I mean, that's basically the definition of a hobby.
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imawesome13131313 wrote:
kissgg wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't like solo board gaming in general and I have never understood people who play multiplayer competitive games solo (unless for learning the game/rules), ESPECIALLY if there is a video game version. All that time setting up and packing away the game and moving all the little pieces for all the players - a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily.

Because board games are still fairly niche and not all of us have other people to play with? But if you're seriously going to go down that route, I should probably point out that all board games are an unnecessary waste of time, regardless of if there's a 100 players or just 1. I mean, that's basically the definition of a hobby.
Note that this was not my main post, but I added it as a disclaimer only to indicate that my post is coming from someone who generally dislikes solo board gaming and prefers an electronic version when playing solo (as the video game does all the time-consuming admin for you). So if you like solo gaming, take my main post with a grain of salt. And I disagree that board gaming in general is just a waste of time (I referred only to the setup/packing away/admin), but that's not the point here anyway.
 
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I would tend to agree. While playing it solo is fun, I don't know if it worth it for only solo play. For me personally, it's not. It would be something you'd bring out a couple of times a year rather than something that's going to stay fun for an extended period of time.

Couple of times a year? That would be solid value for me
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kissgg wrote:
imawesome13131313 wrote:
kissgg wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't like solo board gaming in general and I have never understood people who play multiplayer competitive games solo (unless for learning the game/rules), ESPECIALLY if there is a video game version. All that time setting up and packing away the game and moving all the little pieces for all the players - a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily.

Because board games are still fairly niche and not all of us have other people to play with? But if you're seriously going to go down that route, I should probably point out that all board games are an unnecessary waste of time, regardless of if there's a 100 players or just 1. I mean, that's basically the definition of a hobby.
Note that this was not my main post, but I added it as a disclaimer only to indicate that my post is coming from someone who generally dislikes solo board gaming and prefers an electronic version when playing solo (as the video game does all the time-consuming admin for you). So if you like solo gaming, take my main post with a grain of salt. And I disagree that board gaming in general is just a waste of time (I referred only to the setup/packing away/admin), but that's not the point here anyway.

No you also referred to 'moving all the little pieces for all the players'. Since there are lots of people who enjoy solo gaming, including multiplayer solitaire, you can expect that describing the activity as 'a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily' will cause some umbrage.
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achates wrote:
kissgg wrote:
imawesome13131313 wrote:
kissgg wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't like solo board gaming in general and I have never understood people who play multiplayer competitive games solo (unless for learning the game/rules), ESPECIALLY if there is a video game version. All that time setting up and packing away the game and moving all the little pieces for all the players - a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily.

Because board games are still fairly niche and not all of us have other people to play with? But if you're seriously going to go down that route, I should probably point out that all board games are an unnecessary waste of time, regardless of if there's a 100 players or just 1. I mean, that's basically the definition of a hobby.
Note that this was not my main post, but I added it as a disclaimer only to indicate that my post is coming from someone who generally dislikes solo board gaming and prefers an electronic version when playing solo (as the video game does all the time-consuming admin for you). So if you like solo gaming, take my main post with a grain of salt. And I disagree that board gaming in general is just a waste of time (I referred only to the setup/packing away/admin), but that's not the point here anyway.

No you also referred to 'moving all the little pieces for all the players'. Since there are lots of people who enjoy solo gaming, including multiplayer solitaire, you can expect that describing the activity as 'a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily' will cause some umbrage.
Yeah, to me that is the same as "admin" (you need to move all the pieces for all the 'bot' opponents), which the computer does for you in a video game. I am sorry if I hurt someone's feelings, that was not my intention. All I wanted to do is to say that when I don't recommend this game to be played as exclusively solo, note this advice is coming from someone who dislikes solo gaming in general, when it is not against a video game AI. (I find the admin overhead an unnecessary waste of time.)
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kissgg wrote:
achates wrote:
kissgg wrote:
imawesome13131313 wrote:
kissgg wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't like solo board gaming in general and I have never understood people who play multiplayer competitive games solo (unless for learning the game/rules), ESPECIALLY if there is a video game version. All that time setting up and packing away the game and moving all the little pieces for all the players - a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily.

Because board games are still fairly niche and not all of us have other people to play with? But if you're seriously going to go down that route, I should probably point out that all board games are an unnecessary waste of time, regardless of if there's a 100 players or just 1. I mean, that's basically the definition of a hobby.
Note that this was not my main post, but I added it as a disclaimer only to indicate that my post is coming from someone who generally dislikes solo board gaming and prefers an electronic version when playing solo (as the video game does all the time-consuming admin for you). So if you like solo gaming, take my main post with a grain of salt. And I disagree that board gaming in general is just a waste of time (I referred only to the setup/packing away/admin), but that's not the point here anyway.

No you also referred to 'moving all the little pieces for all the players'. Since there are lots of people who enjoy solo gaming, including multiplayer solitaire, you can expect that describing the activity as 'a part of your lifetime wasted forever, unnecessarily' will cause some umbrage.
Yeah, to me that is the same as "admin" (you need to move all the pieces for all the 'bot' opponents), which the computer does for you in a video game. I am sorry if I hurt someone's feelings, that was not my intention. All I wanted to do is to say that when I don't recommend this game to be played as exclusively solo, note this advice is coming from someone who dislikes solo gaming in general, when it is not against a video game AI. (I find the admin overhead an unnecessary waste of time.)

In order to effect your point, all you had to include in your disclaimer is that you don't enjoy playing board games solo. Your editorializing on top of that is what draws the counterarguments.
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I see your point and will keep it in mind going forward.
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If you want to play solo, I suggest you pick up the game on Steam, Android, or iOS.
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If you want to play solo, I suggest you pick up the game on Steam, Android, or iOS.

I have used a computer all day at work every day since 1982. Sometimes I really want to get away from staring at a screen. When I'm not at work I don't spend that much time online because it's just too tiring.

I really like the feel of picking up game components and moving them.
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