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Subject: New No-Reveal Niner rss

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i wanted to make an ever simpler 9er with just named goods. but it turned out to not be any simpler, just different. do me a favor and try it! no-reveal is fun.

Werewolf - Shares a chat and Nightkill order with the Weak Werewolf.

Weak Werewolf - Shares a chat and Nightkill order with the Werewolf. Will lose to either Barry or Daryld in a 1v1 parity situation. Normal parity werewolf for all other scenarios.

Corpse Eater - Aux evil (counts for good parity, wins with team evil). Once per game can eat a corpse (rendering priest view impossible). Can eat the corpse of the nightkill on the same night it is killed (requires guessing correctly). An unsuccessful corpse consumption will waste this power. Does not know who the Werewolves are.

Priest - Starting N1, chooses a corpse to view each night. Will learn its role if the corpse is there. Unlike a typical active priest, this priest can view the corpse of the nightkill on the same night it is killed (requires guessing correctly). Both werewolves view to the priest as "Werewolf".

Daryld - Has a name. Defeats the Weak Werewolf only in a 1v1 parity situation.

Barry - Has a name. Defeats the Weak Werewolf only in a 1v1 parity situation.

Villager x3 - Regular, non-unique villagers.

Order of night actions:
Eat corpse
View corpse
Nightkill

Note: Good loses if just Barry and Daryld are left with the Normal and Weak Werewolves. Their special parity only comes into play when either is 1v1 against Weak Werewolf.
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i only sent this to a couple people for comment before posting it. if you have thoughts, please share them.
 
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Is there any significance to the name Daryld?

I feel as if as the corpse eater I would just eat the D1 lynch on N1 assuming I'm alive; guarantees the power will work, and prevents the priest from having info on what's fairly likely to be the first of several must-lynch days. So as the priest I might just shoot into the void. Yay/nay?
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madelineb wrote:
Is there any significance to the name Daryld?

I feel as if as the corpse eater I would just eat the D1 lynch on N1 assuming I'm alive; guarantees the power will work, and prevents the priest from having info on what's fairly likely to be the first of several must-lynch days. So as the priest I might just shoot into the void. Yay/nay?

maybe! i don't really know.

sometimes there is a crucial view that everyone wants to know. so maybe the eater might save it for that.

putting a D at the end of daryl just makes me laugh for some reason.
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I kind of want it to be Larry and two Brother Darryls.
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i see you, royal. you're a bad friend if you don't sign up and help me figure out the kinks.
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Dake wrote:
i see you, royal. you're a bad friend if you don't sign up and help me figure out the kinks.

I'm going to be on a road trip next week - so it really depends on when it starts.
 
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just playing anyway.

you're a bad friend either way laugh
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I just signed up on Cassandra.

IF this starts while I'm still in Go Dogs Go I'll have to drop. But, I expect it won't. ???!!!
 
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i'll be mindful of stuff. it's not like an auto-mod that'll go without warning.
 
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hi, vand! i thought i'd catch you in my net.
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madelineb wrote:
Is there any significance to the name Daryld?

I feel as if as the corpse eater I would just eat the D1 lynch on N1 assuming I'm alive; guarantees the power will work, and prevents the priest from having info on what's fairly likely to be the first of several must-lynch days. So as the priest I might just shoot into the void. Yay/nay?

the more i think about this, the more i think you are probably right. but i don't know how to mitigate it. i don't want to put the view before the eat in the order of actions. i want the corpse eater to be able to eat the corpse that the thread tells the priest to view. because i don't want that to be easy to do.

we'll just have to see if the eater decides to do that and if it turns out to be too stifling to good to ever not do.
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maybe the game is too small to mess with the priest. we'll just have to see, i guess.
 
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i was aiming for wifom stuff with the view, eat and kill. causing odd choices of NK and stuff.
 
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Dake wrote:
hi, vand! i thought i'd catch you in my net.

I do like my niners!
Unfortunately this set looks like one of the most obvious mandatory D1 all claims I've ever seen.
There are obviously dream scenarios for each role where they get to actually be useful, but even then they have the hurdle of being believed if they claim after D1.
Having confirmed goods or dichotomies just seems way better even without considering the chances of lynching a random unclaimed Daryld.
 
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I think people won't D1 all claim simply because they won't want to.

I'd rather have an organic all-claim deterant, of course.
 
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What is it that makes the standard 9er not be a mandatory D1 all-claim?
 
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Dake wrote:
What is it that makes the standard 9er not be a mandatory D1 all-claim?

Seer priest and hunter are all useful roles (of varying degrees) in their own right.
Here we have a priest whose goal is to not be completely useless with the corpse eater around, and two wannabe hunters who will still be useless half of the time they even get to final three AND they're believed.
Most of the value of bad GSes is their claimability which drops off drastically after D1.
One option is to use the anti claim mechanism found here
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/21284
but then good's just fucked
 
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nah, no anti-claim things. we'll just see how it goes.
 
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One option to discourage an all claim is to just buff the GSes. I think this set, while not busted in any sense, clearly compares as better for evil than the normal 9er, which is imo extremely balanced
 
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Vanderscamp wrote:
One option to discourage an all claim is to just buff the GSes. I think this set, while not busted in any sense, clearly compares as better for evil than the normal 9er, which is imo extremely balanced

it could be that the corpse eater is too lofty an idea for a small game.

simply making him a traitor might be the ticket. or weakish power. like view for wolf. actually, that's kinda cool. aux-evil wolf-seer.

i'll think about that.
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weak named goods is sort of the main concept. so that's what i'd like to preserve.
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Dake wrote:
weak named goods is sort of the main concept. so that's what i'd like to preserve.

2 Wolves, one of which views as Daryl.
Traitor or other weakish Aux.
Priest
Daryl
3rd GS Larry that knows who the good Daryl is.
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