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This Math Trade is intended for anyone attending GameStorm 11, March 26-29, 2009. You or your proxy need to be at GameStorm 11 in order to partcipate in this trade. If you are new to math trades, see the next post (below) for information on how to participate.

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Trade GeekList: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/39923
Request GeekList: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/39924

Timeline: All times are Pacific

Open for Item Submissions: Friday, March 6th, Noon
Closed for Item Submissions/Open for Want Lists: Thursday, March 19th, 9 AM
Want Lists Closed: Sunday, March 22nd, 2 PM
Results posted: Sunday March 22nd, 3 PM (well, I tried)

Updates:

Links to the official results: Trademaximizer output | Readable form

Software used:
Wantlists will be submitted via the Online Wantlist Generator (OLWLG).
The trade will be run on TradeMaximizer 1.4 with duplicate protection. SEED=11200911, ITERATIONS=500, METRIC=USERS-TRADING

Below you will find:

* information for new traders
* a word about proxies
* the official summary of items
* the want lists
* the official results
* the rules and restrictions for the trade
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Information for new traders:

If you are new to math trades, check out the following links for a primer on how they work. Feel free to ask specific questions below after you have a sense of what they are about:

These two cover the same material, but in different learning styles:
The Math Trade wiki page
Math Trades for Dummies

You will also need to learn about the online wantlist generator (OLWLG):
The OLWLG wiki page
Steve's geeklist on How to use the OLWLG
Chris' geeklist on How to use Duplicate Protection with the OLWLG
 
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A word about proxies:

You do not need to be going to the convention to participate, although that is strongly encouraged. You can also participate if you can find someone in your area who is willing to be your proxy at the convention (i.e. someone who is willing to take your traded games to the convention and pick up your "winnings" for you).

Usually finding a proxy isn't that hard - we've had several no-ship events that have drawn participants from Seattle to Ashland, and those didn't even have the convention as a draw. Feel free to use the forum below to request proxies from your area.
 
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Official Summary

The official summary can be found at the following link:

http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/39923-officialsummary.txt
 
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Want Lists

The official want lists are available here:

http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/39923-officialwants.txt
 
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Official Results

The TradeMaximizer output with the results is available here:

http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/39923-results-official.txt

A more easily read version is available here:

http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/trades-summary.cgi?listid=...

Please consider tipping JeffyJeff for his excellent work with the OLWLG!
 
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Rules and Restrictions:

* You must accurately describe your game's condition, language, edition, etc.

* You should choose a photo that best represents the game you are trading (language, edition, and the like). If there are none suitable in the database, pick the one that's closest and make a note in your item listing.

* Duplicate games are allowed, even from the same user. If you own multiple copies of the same game and would like to trade them all, add the following to your item description:

%Options%
Copies: 2
%End%


Where "2" is the exact number of items you have. Then you and everyone else can treat it as a single item through the OLWLG.

* You may only post three non-game listings. These items should be posted with the gameid for Outside the Scope of BGG or Miscellaneous Game Accessory. Items that count toward the three item limit include GeekGold or other BGG goodies (microbadge coupons, etc.), mystery boxes (even those that include only games), as well as DVDs, computer/video games, etc.

* Gift certificates are not allowed in this trade.

* Game sweeteners must be listed using either the GAMEID formatting (for example: gameid=1 inside square brackets[ ] yields Die Macher) or you may alternately use a link to the game's page (like http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/1). Including images is also helpful.

* You must submit a want list for each game you are offering. If you don't want to trade, submit a blank list. Please do not delete items from the geeklist. If you no longer wish to trade an item, edit the item to say so and submit a blank want list.

Policies:

* This is a local trade, with no shipping. Again, anyone can participate as long as you're willing to swap games at GameStorm 11.

* I reserve the right to remove games from the list for whatever reason. If you are on the bad traders list, your games will most likely be removed.

* By posting an entry on this list, you agree to abide both by the general math trade guidelines and by those specific to this math trade.

* Only errors by the moderator will invalidate the results. You are responsible for checking your want lists through the OLWLG.

* Use this forum thread for questions and discussions of this math trade (however, for questions on individual items, please leave comments under the item itself, on the geeklist).

Enjoy!
 
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Final results

65 people submitted games to the trade
64 people submitted want lists
58 people had at least one trade

911 entries were submitted to the trade
893 items had want lists submitted (including some duplication)
262 of those 893 items traded (trading rate of 29.3%)

Thanks to all participants!

I will be running a second trade with any of the participants who would like me to resubmit their untraded games with Sean's want lists for his items. Please geekmail me if you are interested in the second trade!
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Thanks for getting this going, David. I'd have loved to have done it again, but just don't have the time this year.

Looking forwards to lot's of games trading again this year!
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Has the geeklist opened for submissions early?
 
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Yes. There were some requests to open the list early, so I opened it up.
 
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Is the OLWLG down, or is it just me?


nevermind... found the thread: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/3160050
 
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2 questions.
Do we have to attend gamestorm in order to participate?
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Is there a set day or time we have to be available for the swap (I seem to remember some talk to this effect in another thread)?
 
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Answer to your first question was given above:
themilkcrate wrote:
A word about proxies:
You do not need to be going to the convention to participate, although that is strongly encouraged. You can also participate if you can find someone in your area who is willing to be your proxy at the convention (i.e. someone who is willing to take your traded games to the convention and pick up your "winnings" for you).
Second question:
There have been discussions of setting up a time on Friday or Saturday morning. Last year everyone sort-of found everyone else and traded successfully... so even if you don't make it to the set meeting place/time (or your proxy doesn't make it) please still participate as we will find you!
 
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I thought it might be fun to set up a time Saturday for people to swap games, so we didn't have to spend precious game time looking for our trading partners. If we set up a few games at that table we should be able to swap and play simultaneously. I'm thinking something quick and free-flowing, like Ricochet Robots. Any other suggestions for games to play while waiting for trade partners to show up?
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gulp Ricochet Robots? I hate dislike that game very much.

As to your other suggestion - Yes, definitely. I think a time and place should be set. And playing games while waiting isn't a bad idea either.
 
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Howitzer_120mm wrote:
gulp Ricochet Robots? I hate dislike that game very much.
Ricochet Robots is certainly not for every gamer. But it can:

a) be played by a large group of people simultaneously,
b) last as long or short as the participants would like,
c) let people drop in and out as they choose without effecting gameplay,
d) be engaging for those participating.

I'm looking for other suggestions of games that have some (or all) of these characteristics, as I feel they fit the need well. Any ideas?
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themilkcrate wrote:
Howitzer_120mm wrote:
gulp Ricochet Robots? I hate dislike that game very much.
Ricochet Robots is certainly not for every gamer. But it can:

a) be played by a large group of people simultaneously,
b) last as long or short as the participants would like,
c) let people drop in and out as they choose without effecting gameplay,
d) be engaging for those participating.

I'm looking for other suggestions of games that have some (or all) of these characteristics, as I feel they fit the need well. Any ideas?
SET
Bongo!
Krypto
Crazy Circus

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cuzzle wrote:
Thanks for the great suggestions - I should have thought of SET, as it was pulled out at an "S"-themed game night I was at last Saturday.

I've had my eye on Bongo! for a while - thanks for putting it back on my radar. The other two are new to me but look like they'd be a great fit.
 
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themilkcrate wrote:
Howitzer_120mm wrote:
gulp Ricochet Robots? I hate dislike that game very much.
Ricochet Robots is certainly not for every gamer. But it can:

a) be played by a large group of people simultaneously,
b) last as long or short as the participants would like,
c) let people drop in and out as they choose without effecting gameplay,
d) be engaging for those participating.

I'm looking for other suggestions of games that have some (or all) of these characteristics, as I feel they fit the need well. Any ideas?
Oh definitely, I don't deny that. It's fun, to a certain extent. Last time I played, I had no chance, as I couldn't even find simple "10" or "15" ones blush . I'm not a "puzzle" guy.
 
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A rousing game of The Great Dalmuti might be fun!

themilkcrate wrote:


I'm looking for other suggestions of games that have some (or all) of these characteristics, as I feel they fit the need well. Any ideas?
 
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themilkcrate wrote:
I thought it might be fun to set up a time Saturday for people to swap games, so we didn't have to spend precious game time looking for our trading partners. If we set up a few games at that table we should be able to swap and play simultaneously. I'm thinking something quick and free-flowing, like Ricochet Robots. Any other suggestions for games to play while waiting for trade partners to show up?

I think that Tom and Ben (Boards & Bits) will also use the opportunity to distribute the games that they're bringing for attendees who have made purchases.
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