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Hi Maarten,

You're right, it's quite a recurring problem for our games, and that's something i definitely want to correct in the future. See you in Essen, and i'll make the explanation by myself

Regards,
Cyril
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trapeze wrote:

Do you have any thoughts on how it scales with player number? What do you think of the 2-player variant?


Yep, you didn't mention anything about scalablity (?)....

Ender, do you still think the same about this game now, after about 1,5 month and few more plays?

P.S. Happy Easter!
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So far I've played 4 player and 2 player. I think the game rocks with both. I was concerned that with 3 auctions 2 player wouldn't work well but the style of the auctions are done in such a manner that the game doesn't break down at all. The game is very intense with 2 and is just as intense but with a different feel to it with 4. Awesome game.
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I can't keep my internal history-geek quiet on this one. I know the name of Sulla is just used to indicate the theme, but as fellow geek Oeolycus noted above, this:

"Sulla held the office of consul twice, as well as the dictatorship, and amongst his achievements was a reform of the legal system, and efforts to restore a balance of power between the Senate and the Tribunes."

is the kindest review of Sulla's life EVER.

If you don't want a history capsule, please skip the rest of this comment.

Sulla was the son of bankrupt nobles who had to rely on the goodwill of a high-class whore (upon whose death he was bequeathed an enormous sum) to bankroll his political career. It was said that he had an inner circle of whores and cross-dressers, and that he had only one testicle; none of which really matters at all, but it gives some indication as to how loathed the man was that so many vicious rumors were spread.

Perhaps Sulla's greatest achievement was to pave the way for Julius Caesar and Octavian/Augustus. His overthrow of the traditions of the 650 year-old Republic certainly set an example that these later dictators arguably modelled themselves on.

Career highlights:

* First Roman to ever break the sacred boundary of the pomerium; these were the city limits of Rome, and no Roman had ever crossed them under arms with legions at their back - until Sulla. The people were so unhappy about it they lined the roofs and pelted Sulla's men with missiles.

* Waged and won one of history's first ever propaganda wars. Came to the rescue of Rome after it was besieged by a force of Samnites, the very same Italian allies of Rome that he most likely deliberately provoked into military action, just so he could cover himself in martial glory.

And my personal favorite:

* Captured 6000 of the aforementioned Samnites, and, despite having negotiated a surrender from about half of that number under guarantees of clemency, had all 6000 put to the sword. But wait! It's the WAY he had them executed that smacks of genius! They were all herded into a sacred government building that was ordinarily used for voting and census taking. There they were all dismembered, one at a time. And Sulla himself just happened to order a session of the Senate nearby during the butchery (in the temple of Bellona - now gone - but right across from the Theater of Marcellus, if you know your way around Rome). It was during this session, as the Senators could hear the screams of 6000 Samnites being slaughtered, that Sulla convinced the Senate to vote him all manner of powers. Neat huh? Oh - and he claimed that he held this session in that particular temple because Bellona (daughter/wife of Mars, god of war) had "given him visions" and was "guiding his hand and protecting him". Don't we all just love religion? Or at the very least, those who use it to justify their actions?

* And then he turned on his own people; he posted lists of names in the Forum and started the infamous "proscriptions" (later replicated by Antony and Octavian at the - first - end of the Caesarian civil war). And this had to have been worse than any Fascist purges or Stalinesque gulags, because Rome had no paramilitary or police force at the time - private citizens could check the list, murder someone on it, and bring in their head for money. The State (ie: Sulla) turned citizen against citizen. Subsidized butchering of your neighbours! A game the whole family can play! Of course, tons of names got added to the lists over things as petty as personal feuds (Salem witch trials, anyone?).

Oh, sure, you can argue (and I have) that he stabilized a system that was prone to corruption, and there's a metaphysical argument that only a defunct and innately flawed system could even create someone this extreme. I've heard so many arguments about this that I won't waste your time with them here. If you're still reading, I've already wasted a whole lot of your time.

What else am I meant to do with these useless history degrees?

Two cents spent.

(For the record, I love this board game!)
(Also - AMAZING review!)
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Great review!

One nitpick:

Don't you get to see the starting events, buildings and great work *before* you pick your starting four characters? That would give you a lot more information to plan out your first turn with...
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Isamoor wrote:
Great review!

One nitpick:

Don't you get to see the starting events, buildings and great work *before* you pick your starting four characters? That would give you a lot more information to plan out your first turn with...


Yep you do get to see those things. I'm pretty sure you do....at least that's how I've been playing it.
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Yup, the rules very specifically state one of the last preparations is to choose characters, after the entire board has been set up.
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I want to like this game...
Had the feeling it was very good first time i played it... but did not work... i blamed the players...
Second time it did not work i blamed the luck of the great works deck...
3...
4...
And still nothing...

Great mechanics but they just don't happen...

In my games:
- Never at end game a Res Publica token worth more than 3 and less than 2
- The famine level always went to higher level and stayed there...
- The first consul of the game always had a huge advantage in early game and changed at max to one different player...
- A revolt never happened ! (and i played for it to happen...)
- The luck of the buildings is huge in early game ... i try to balance the colors of my influence and the building i want always ends up in another players display ... (if a player gets a tile that gives him money and other don't... forget it...)

Again, i like the game ideas very much, but do they work ?
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This:
Sentieiro wrote:
- The first consul of the game always had a huge advantage in early game


is very likely because of this:

Sentieiro wrote:
and changed at max to one different player...


If it's valuable, others should be bidding to get it.
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Sentieiro wrote:


In my games:
- Never at end game a Res Publica token worth more than 3 and less than 2
- The famine level always went to higher level and stayed there...
- The first consul of the game always had a huge advantage in early game and changed at max to one different player...
- A revolt never happened ! (and i played for it to happen...)
- The luck of the buildings is huge in early game ... i try to balance the colors of my influence and the building i want always ends up in another players display ... (if a player gets a tile that gives him money and other don't... forget it...)

Again, i like the game ideas very much, but do they work ?


Of course they work. Every game is different. Range of the tokens, revolts DO happen, but not every time. In fact it depends a lot on the players...

1st consul is important and if a player manage to keep it all along the game, he's got an advantage but it's up to other players to steal this role (and if this role turns, then you don't particularly need it to succeed).

For the building phase, balancing the colors is not a good idea. It's better to have on or 2 strong colors...




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Karis wrote:
n815e wrote:
Why does Christianity play such an important role in the game? There were no Christians in Sulla's time.

Quick answer to your question and others :

About Sylla :

We choose Sylla, because it was a perfect start for our game, since Sylla re-established a powerful senate in Rome and then abandoned the power (opening a period of turmoil). What a perfect setting for a game in which you play senators !

About christians :

Of course i was fully aware of the fact christians could not exist 80 years before Christ ! But in my mind one turn is about 80 years, so i think christians are only a problem in the first turn (and you can even think about them as "potential" christians in this first turn, since you manage a kind of "dynasty").


Unfortunately, I like to use games to teach my kids about history in an enjoyable way. Which is part of the reason I like these kinds of games over junk like Monopoly and Risk. To teach my kids that there were Christians before there were Christians would be like using Hollywood to educate my children (P.S. I'm not particularly Christian but I am against bad history). With such bad history, I really don't care how fun this game might be, I have no intention of filling my kids heads with more bad history and will definitely not be buying this game. As for the excuse that the Christians arrive on the scene 80 years later, um ... Wasn't Rome ruled by an emperor then? So what's the follow up excuse for making the Senators so influential?
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EndersGame wrote:


!!!Very good review!!!



Because of your review, I have added this game to my want list.

Thanks.
 
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This review is amazing. Just added this game to my wish list too... cool

[EDIT] Just bought it... coolcool

[EDIT 2] GREAT GAME! coolcoolcool
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I have read this review and posts a couple times over many months apart from one to the other and I just want to share my feelings on this game.

It is fantastic, one of my favorite euro's for certain. The official two player variant is . . well it should have been included in the production, its solid. Play with three and four is also very good. The multi-mechanics in this game are sweet on so many levels; they make post-mastery play of this game so replayable and the more your group masters it, the more twisted it becomes. Sylla is an absolutely fabulous euro certainly worthy of at least the top ten here on the geek.

The only thing that I think could make this one better is minor and that would be to have more thought into some of the artwork. Not the skin, but the color pallet and brushwork.


Completely amazing review also!
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Good review and I am probably going to buy Sylla. But I can´t "buy" the thing with Vestal Virgins being reffered to as "Servants". Actually they were priestess and were of really high social status.
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unlike most Roman women, they were not subject to the patria potestas and so were free to own property, make a will, and vote

their person was sacrosanct: death was the penalty for injuring their person and their escorts protected anyone from assault

at public games and performances they had a reserved place of honor

This doesn´t seem very "servant-ish". They had some duties, that´s right, but in comparison with the place of most women in Roman society, they were quite autonomous.
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Thanks for the review Ender. If you're out there, I'd be curious to hear, do you still enjoy this game or is it collecting dust on a shelf?
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Thanks to your review, I have now bought this game wow
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Best review I've read on here.

Convinced me to buy (although I didn't take too much convincing - currently being sold for under £10 in the UK - http://www.theworks.co.uk/p/board-games/rio-grande-sylla-gam... )

Thanks,

Mark.
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How hard is this game to learn?
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