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Stan Fenton
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OK, so I just started playing this game at Thanksgiving and I'm hooked!But reaching across the table and reading all the cards got to be burdensome, so my son-in-law and I designed this turn table. Hope ya like it, we've found it makes the game much more enjoyable as beginners.

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That is AWSOME! But what do you do for Prosperity?
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Truly awe-inspiring! Awesome work!
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Maxx_Yazz wrote:
That is AWSOME! But what do you do for Prosperity?
D'oh! Always check the expansion before committing designs in wood!
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The only thing I don't like about the circular design is that it seems to only replace one "problem" (having to reach) with another (having to turn the board every time you take a card). It's also hard to look over all of the cards at once, since most of them aren't facing you. Very eloquently designed though. With the cards facing outward like that, I'm curious as to what happens if someone gets a little overzealous and spins the thing too fast...

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Maxx_Yazz wrote:
That is AWSOME! But what do you do for Prosperity?
That (Platinum/Colony) and Potions in Alchemy.
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david707 wrote:
Maxx_Yazz wrote:
That is AWSOME! But what do you do for Prosperity?
That (Platinum/Colony) and Potions in Alchemy.
For Alchemy, I would just take the trash out of the turntable. (Trash can get pretty large in some games, any way, which could also be a problem). Could some times remove curses as well to make room for Platinum/Colony, but if you have Montebank or Witch or Sea Hag, etc AND Alchemy cards, you would probably be out of luck.
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sroney wrote:

For Alchemy, I would just take the trash out of the turntable. (Trash can get pretty large in some games, any way, which could also be a problem). Could some times remove curses as well to make room for Platinum/Colony, but if you have Montebank or Witch or Sea Hag, etc AND Alchemy cards, you would probably be out of luck.
You don't need a communal trash pile anyway, as long as you trust people to not be total slobs.

For Pt/colonies, you could just stack the extra piles on top and give a curse to anyone who knocks them over. Or just make fun of them, if you're a nice person.
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That turn table looks awesome. Re-arranging 2 of the centre cards should make it even possible to add 2 more spaces for the Platinum and Colony without making the table bigger as it is. Nobody uses Potion cards anyway, so ....... ninja
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ElysiumSA wrote:
It's also hard to look over all of the cards at once, since most of them aren't facing you.
But without it, either all of them are facing you, or none of them are facing you, unless you turn the stacks in varying directions... which then you wind up with something like this, just not rotatable.
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But without it, either all of them are facing you, or none of them are facing you, unless you turn the stacks in varying directions... which then you wind up with something like this, just not rotatable.
If you face them all in the same direction you can just turn it towards you to read them all at once, instead of "turn, read, turn, read, turn, read..." Frankly I think the bigger problem is just that the turntable will often be rotated in a different orientation then when you last bought a card, so you will have to look at it the turntable, figure out where the card you want is, then turn it to get the one you want, as opposed to just going "I want a Laboratory, that card is always the far upper left, [grab]."

Once you have read the cards (or after several plays when you pretty much know them all), the cards being upside-down becomes a non-issue, and you can sit newer players on the facing side anyway.
 
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ElysiumSA wrote:

Frankly I think the bigger problem is just that the turntable will often be rotated in a different orientation then when you last bought a card, so you will have to look at it the turntable, figure out where the card you want is, then turn it to get the one you want, as opposed to just going "I want a Laboratory, that card is always the far upper left, [grab]."
Yeah, that would totally ruin the game for me. I actually prefer to have my manservant bring each card individually to my litter where I might peruse it at my leisure without interrupting my pedicure. With this turntable, my requested card could be delayed seconds or more. shake

To the OP: Nice design, that's pretty slick. One of the biggest problems we have with new players is the difficulty of remembering what all the cards are. This would make it a little easier for them to inspect them all when they're deciding what to buy.
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Yeah, that would totally ruin the game for me. I actually prefer to have my manservant bring each card individually to my litter where I might peruse it at my leisure without interrupting my pedicure. With this turntable, my requested card could be delayed seconds or more. shake
You know, you're right, convenience and speed are overrated, which is why the rotary phone will never be replaced by those silly touch tone things. Why, dialing a phone number in under 30 seconds? Absurd!

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Yes, you've hit it on the head, rotary phones and a lazy susan for Dominion are exactly the same thing.
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billsayswow wrote:
ElysiumSA wrote:
It's also hard to look over all of the cards at once, since most of them aren't facing you.
But without it, either all of them are facing you, or none of them are facing you, unless you turn the stacks in varying directions... which then you wind up with something like this, just not rotatable.
Yeah, but most of my Dominion buds knew all card by memory, and we put new players so that they can read all cards and we just look at the pictures

But anyhow, VERY NEAT design, I'm jealous. Too bad it doesn't accommodate Prosperity all that well (I don't care about Alchemy)
 
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Thanks for your kind replies. I've recently updated the design to include a couple of wells for tokens:
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Honestly when we designed the turn table we didn't have either Alchemy or Prosperity, as I said we are new to the game.However, keeping in mind that the primary purpose of the turn table was to make it easier for us newbies to read the cards I don't think not having spaces for every expansion card is necessary or maybe even desired. This picture shows how we set up for Prosperity.
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No one needs to read the Curse card, that one I've got memorized. And who wants the town dump (trash) in their kingdom anyway, that's why you conquer other kingdoms whistle

Having said that, I've got a couple of orders from friends and family so I'll consider altering the design, but in all things compromise is inevitable. Much bigger and it may become unstable and have to be bolted down to the table, or too may wells may destabilize the integrity of the wood itself (besides, each new well you cut increases the changes of the router slipping and having to start over soblue)

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Well done, Stan! I especially like the Cherry wood you used. It goes well on top of that Cherry table too, am I right?

I hope you don't mind if I try to make myself one of these. I love your design. I have three questions.

1. Did you taper the outside card slots so the cards have to be lifted, rather than slid outward? That would solve the cards-flying-out-when-turned-too-fast issue brought up in an earlier post. If so, are the cards hard to remove? I can't tell by looking at the picture.

2. How did you build the actual Lazy Susan mechanism? What hardware did you use.

3. How did you cut the card slots? I was thinking I could build a template and use a flush router bit. Yours just looks so perfect.

Thanks!
 
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Well done, Stan! I especially like the Cherry wood you used. It goes well on top of that Cherry table too, am I right? Yes, the table is curly cherry

I hope you don't mind if I try to make myself one of these. I love your design. I have three questions.

1. Did you taper the outside card slots so the cards have to be lifted, rather than slid outward? That would solve the cards-flying-out-when-turned-too-fast issue brought up in an earlier post. If so, are the cards hard to remove? I can't tell by looking at the picture. No, we thought about tapering the depth, but it really isn't necessary, you really have to spin it pretty hard for the cards to come out. Of course we have only been playing with adults

2. How did you build the actual Lazy Susan mechanism? What hardware did you use.http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2001061/572/Lazy-Susan-6-51...


3. How did you cut the card slots? I was thinking I could build a template and use a flush router bit. Yours just looks so perfect.

1. Glue up as many boards as necessary to make a 21" square. (Don't use any biscuits or they will show when you rout out the card wells).

2. Drill a hole the size of a finish nail and use that to spin around and cut a 20" circle on the band saw.Drill it all the way through, this hole will be used again later.

3. Out of a scrap piece of 3/4" plywood cut a jig with a slot that is 2 5/8" x 3 7/8".

4. Clearly mark the center of the 2 5/8" end of the slot and drill a hole the size of the finish nail 6 1/4" from the end of the slot. This will allow you to spin the jig around the center

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5. Divide the outside of the circle into 13 equal parts and draw lines from the center to these points.

6.Stick a finish nail though the jig and through the center of the blank, then line up the center of the jig (the point you marked in step 4). and clamp it down real good. You have 13 of these to cut and you don't want the jig to slip while you are routing out the well, otherwise you throw it out and start with step one!

7.Using a Plunge Router with a 3/4" Collar and a 1/2" Straight Cut bit route out the well.(1/4" deep) Use a sharp bit and keep moving so you don't get burning.

6. Repeat steps 6 and 7, 12 more times.

7.You can then use another scrap to close off the end of the jig for the holes in the center. Make it long enough so you can use it as a guide to line up the three wells. Cut these wells,5/8" deep.

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8.Using a 1" Forstner bit in a drill press cut the finger holes on both sides of the center wells. Drill just a hair deeper than the well so you can get the last card out. Again make sure you clamp it down tight or the bit will catch and walk the wood out of position.

Just a couple of final notes, I can't stress too much that you need to make sure the jig and the blank are always clamped down.Also note that the center wells are 5/8" deep to accommodate all of the Copper cards. If your wood is only 3/4" think there isn't much room to spare. Next one I build will be 1" thick.

Good luck hope I made sense
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Brilliant! Thanks for the great instructions, pictures, and the Woodcraft link. I never would have thought to spin the template around the center point. That's a great way of keeping everything lined up.

My router does not do plunge cuts so I'll have to improvise. I can imagine a similar design but with two 20" circle pieces glued face to face; the one on top could have the slots cut all the way through, the one on the bottom would be solid. That would get the extra thickness too. Wouldn't be near as pretty though. ...or maybe it's time to buy a plunge router.

Thanks, again, Stan
 
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If you actually put multiple levels in the middle it would cover the current number of card slots needed and it would be expandable.

Just make it so that a tier can be added in such a way that it rests on the tier or base below while still leaving enough room to grab the cards below. (this would best be done with cards like treasure and victory cards because you wouldn't need to read them.
 
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You haven't answered the most important question of all...

How much fun is it to spin it around and around?
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ejacobson wrote:
Brilliant! Thanks for the great instructions, pictures, and the Woodcraft link. I never would have thought to spin the template around the center point. That's a great way of keepingu everything lined up.

My router does not do plunge cuts so I'll have to improvise. I can imagine a similar design but with two 20" circle pieces glued face to face; the one on top could have the slots cut all the way through, the one on the bottom would be solid. That would get the extra thickness too. Wouldn't be near as pretty though. ...or maybe it's time to buy a plunge router.

Thanks, again, Stan

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You haven't answered the most important question of all...

How much fun is it to spin it around and around?
Dammit .. another post that gave away I wasn't doing work at work cuz I laughed so hard.
 
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