In the case of a tie, the winning player is the tied player with the fewest empty estate spaces.

Bei Gleichstand gewinnt von diesen Spielern derjenige, dessen Fürstentum mehr leere Felder zeigt.

Actually it wasn't my intention to blame anyone. I was just interested in the resolution of the conflicting information.

When the second tiebreaker says "who went later in turn order", does that mean at the beginning of the game, or as of the last turn?

Why give a benefit to the person who has advanced on the turn track the least? it seems counter-intuitive.

I also wonder why the person with the most empty spaces wins the tiebreaker.

To repeat in case the question was missed, what is meant by "went later in turn order"?

To repeat in case the question was missed, what is meant by "went later in turn order"?

Because he managed to tie using less tiles (less actions).

That he also had less choices.

Once again, he had less choices because he didn't advance the turn order marker.

well, he focused more on VPs than turn order, which is a good idea.

Hello Michael...

We just played our first game last night, and I have two questions:

1) Regarding the initiative track: When multiple players reach the final spot, do they stack ON TOP of the player that reached the spot first? Or do they stack BELOW the player that reached the spot first? Macao (and possibly Luna & Trajan I believe) have a specification in the rules that say the discs go BELOW the player that reached the final spot first. Is Castles different (pieces go on top)?

2) What is the consensus of the real tie breaker? Is it LEAST vacant spaces or MOST vacant spaces?

Many thanks!

1. Come as second - jump on top - be first in next round

2. Less tiles on board wins.

Der Einsiedler

Can someone please verify the correct rules for tie-break?

The top of this thread points out the German text states the player with the MOST spaces wins the tie breaker. The English rules states the player with the LEAST spaces wins.

Many were speculating the German rules are the more correct way of playing, and the English rules may have been a bad translation - which isn't uncommon in this hobby.

I can imagine it possible the rule rewards the player with more vacancy because he was able to pull off the same score by bringing less tiles into his estate (perhaps a more challenging effort).

[q="Einsiedler"][q="EyeInSky"]On the tiebreaker, I copied this straight from the PDF of the english rules:

"The player who is the farthest along on the victory point track is the winner. In the case of a tie, the winning player is the tied player with the fewest empty estate spaces. Should there still be a tie, then the winning player is the tied player who went later in turn order."

So it's the one with less empty spaces actually who wins.