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Subject: [ P ] & [ S ] Gov-Scott Walker repeals "equality pay" Act. rss

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I love the toxic vibe of this place sometimes.
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stpauler wrote:
Unfortunately for you,

It's not really "unfortunate" for me, as I don't have a horse in the race and I enjoy learning new things whether or not they contradict existing things I know. It's just a book I read once and found interesting. If there's other information out there that comes to a different conclusion I would enjoy reading that too. I'm very fact and information driven.
 
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stpauler wrote:
For fuck's sake, why even use words, why not just bash your face against the keyboard for an argument?


Wait, is that not the way to do things here? God damn it....
 
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damiangerous wrote:
I'm very fact and information driven.


Then you can avoid a great deal of toxicity from at least one person here by citing your supporting information for your broad assertions, rather than forcing people to either take you at your word or dismiss you out of hand. Had I but known you were basing your assertion that "discrimination doesn't really factor into it" with respect to gender-based pay inequality on a book that you once read, I could have just said, "my book says that your book is full of shit." That way you and I remain cordial in the extreme, while our books fight to the death and the RSP rank and file place bets on them in the parimutuel pools that we set up here for book fighting.
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MisterCranky wrote:
Then you can avoid a great deal of toxicity from at least one person here by citing your supporting information for your broad assertions, rather than forcing people to either take you at your word or dismiss you out of hand.

You can avoid being toxic by disagreeing and asking for it like a normal human being if you're interested. I'm not always going to go through the effort to track down and cite sources for an offhand internet comment, but I would generally be more than happy to if there's interest in exploring the topic. I'm far less inclined to indulge someone who tosses off insults and demands in place of acceptable adult behavior though. Giving yourself a cutesy username isn't an excuse to be a tool.
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damiangerous wrote:
MisterCranky wrote:
Then you can avoid a great deal of toxicity from at least one person here by citing your supporting information for your broad assertions, rather than forcing people to either take you at your word or dismiss you out of hand.

You can avoid being toxic by disagreeing and asking for it like a normal human being if you're interested. I'm not always going to go through the effort to track down and cite sources for an offhand internet comment, but I would generally be more than happy to if there's interest in exploring the topic. I'm far less inclined to indulge someone who tosses off insults and demands in place of acceptable adult behavior though. Giving yourself a cutesy username isn't an excuse to be a tool.


That's true, but being saddled with your surname hasn't helped you, apparently, so I guess it's a wash.
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Politifact wrote:
The law does not ensure pay equity, but rather gives discriminated workers the right to sue in state court for compensatory and punitive damages. So, if the GOP-backed bill is signed into law, that right to sue would be lost.
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"He also made the point that no lawsuits have been filed in state court since the 2009 law took effect." So, how again were the Businesses impacted so greatly by this LAW that they just HAD to get rid of that? shake
 
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The whole point of that law was to allow people to sue in STATE court rather than FEDERAL court.
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bjlillo wrote:
Yeah, and nobody ever did it. Must have been a great law.

Then as grogs asked, how was it SOOOO detrimental to businesses and job growth. Oh right it wasn't that was just the excuse they used to get rid of it.
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bjlillo wrote:
Are you really asking why it is beneficial to get rid of a worse than useless, redundant layer of bureaucracy?

You guys just love to poison the well.
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jmilum wrote:
The whole point of that law was to allow people to sue in STATE court rather than FEDERAL court.
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Yeah, and nobody ever did it. Must have been a great law.
Whence such had the demeanor to DETER any Business from misbehaving terribly where A-N-Y employee is concerned, then, YES, it worked as thus, and now, these won't have that means of keeping those "in check" though just THAT! These 'laws' are derived directly FROM many instances that somebody and plenty another, already HAVE BEEN unjustly 'screwed over by business(es)' to begin WITH. Now, those shall more than likely conduct their "B.S."-practices once again due to the repeal of this, and time will TELL, as it were merely a 'matter' for that.
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bjlillo wrote:
Am I to assume, based on your non-answer, that you like worthless bureaucracy then?

How do you know that the law was worthless?
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Hey, BJ, what do you think would be a good solution to the issue of gender pay inequality?
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bjlillo wrote:
I'm just pointing out the obvious. Am I to assume, based on your non-answer, that you like worthless bureaucracy then? Also, the part where I poisoned the well was my last sentence, not the one you quoted. But seriously, this well was poisoned with the OP bringing forward a story jam-packed with false information to attack Walker. Don't whine to me about well-poisoning.
What 'false information' had 'moi' inferred directly & specifically? That 'piece of legislation' happened on being called as such, although it contained much more than JUST this aspect pertaining unto itself too. HE-(being SW), then "took away" yet another avenue or route anyone could utilize for themselves in redressing some 'grievance' regarding their 'workplace'. Accordingly to YOU now, those aren't worthy of and for considerations upon anything. WE-all know that 'robbing banks' is ILLEGAL, yet, many still tried their 'take' for such, and still shall, while the LAW hadn't deterred those on that either, huh?
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1. Reduce revenue by lowering taxes: check
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4. Eliminate equal pay for women: check
5. Dilute science teaching in schools: working on propaganda to tie into economy
6. Limit sex ed to abstinence only: Need to get rid of some more teachers and figure a way to tie into economy.
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bjlillo wrote:
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Hey, BJ, what do you think would be a good solution to the issue of gender pay inequality?


Obviously, if women are cheaper, the solution is to hire more women. All of the non-sexist business owners should be at a major competitive advantage.


This doesn't exactly help the income disparity, now, does it?
 
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bjlillo wrote:
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Never mind.

Let me ask you something completely different then: What's your opinion on (illegal) immigration?


I think our immigration system as-is is completely broken. If we're going to have these laws on the books, we should enforce them. If we're not going to enforce them, we need to get rid of them so illegal immigrants aren't stuck living as a permanent underclass. Generally speaking, I would prefer a less-strict system to a more-strict system.


One of the few points we mostly agree on.
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chaendlmaier wrote:
Hiring only women eliminates income disparity just like killing all Jews eliminates anti-Semitism.


What if you only kill all the Jewish women?
 
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bjlillo wrote:
Obviously, if women are cheaper, the solution is to hire more women. All of the non-sexist business owners should be at a major competitive advantage.

That's a farcical answer.

It's not the starting salaries that are that far off, it is the salary disparity over time where the real problem starts to show up, i.e in raises and promotions. Also hiring only women would lead to males suing for discrimination.
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slowcorner wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
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Hey, BJ, what do you think would be a good solution to the issue of gender pay inequality?


Obviously, if women are cheaper, the solution is to hire more women. All of the non-sexist business owners should be at a major competitive advantage.


This doesn't exactly help the income disparity, now, does it?

I want a crack at this one. I might even bother to write a few paragraphs as opposed to my typical one-liners.
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bjlillo wrote:
Right, so businesses who make it their longterm goal to hire women have their longterm expenses reduced by a significant amount (if we believe the hype, by almost 25%.) I'm not sure what makes you think that this somehow weakens my point.

And when they are sued for discriminatory hiring practices by male applicants? Also payroll is only a portion of operating costs so they would not see expenses reduced by 25%.
 
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bjlillo wrote:
What if they are sued? We've got concrete evidence that women are cheaper. The businesses aren't discriminating against men because they have penises. They're discriminating against a pool of employees that are going to be more expensive. More expensive is not a federally-protected class.

If you are basing that expense on the fact of gender, then yes you can sue. Also, as I said it's not starting salary. You can't say, "I'm not going to hire you because you may be too expensive in 10 years".
 
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bjlillo wrote:
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Well, stop spreading YOUR lies in some "half-assed" manner then! SIMPLE 'resolutions' FOR & WITH the 'simpler-mind-set'! NOT 'simple' enough yet?
 
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