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Man, that's just rude.
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I can't imagine any US president would either take drugs or permit these kinds of activities. So just get rid of him and everything will be OK, right?
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Yet another reason to like Obama. He isn't some uptight asshole.

+1 for Obama.
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Drew1365 wrote:
myopia wrote:
I can't imagine any US president would either take drugs or permit these kinds of activities. So just get rid of him and everything will be OK, right?


There are a lot of reasons to get rid of him. Everything won't be okay, either. We're headed for insolvency faster than anyone realizes. But he and his administration have shown little interest in actually tackling our financial problems. They just fall back on their "Tax the Rich (except for President's cronies, bundlers, and campaign donors) and everything will be fixed!"

We're ruled by a dumbass pothead.


You'll be ok. Romney will sweep in and fix everything with more deregulation and lower taxes for the mindbogglingly wealthy. THEN everything will be ok.
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He sounds like a good time. I would hang with that guy.

And for the record, I think the war on drugs is ridiculous. I hate that it exists, I hate that Obama has perpetuated it, and I hate that it doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

I also think it's completely fucking ridiculous to pretend the blame falls on Obama's shoulders, though. Every politician from either party who has failed to stand up to this ridiculous ideology for fear of looking "soft on crime" or alienating their lobbyist donors shares the blame. Every politician who has allowed this to continue while pretending that they never took part in the very same behaviors bears the same weight of hypocrisy. And that's pretty much every fucking one of them who has served in office since I was born. Penn Jillette has the right of it on this one.
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Well they used to say that President Bush would be a great guy to have a beer with. So maybe Obama would be a great guy to smoke a joint with?

Hey at least he inhaled!
 
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Well they used to say that President Bush would be a great guy to have a beer with. So maybe Obama would be a great guy to smoke a joint with?

Hey at least he inhaled!


If you like fuckers who jump in front of you to intercept the joint, sure.


When we used to do that we'd use the Phil Hartmann line from an old SNL sketch about Bill Clinton: "Boom! Intercepted by warlords!"
 
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bjlillo wrote:


Not true. He wasn't an uptight asshole. Now that he's got power, he's escalated the drug war despite his promises to the contrary.


On the contrary to your on the contrary.
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Every politician thinks its a death sentence to support decriminalization.


Well, every politician who wins elections. Gary Johnson supports decriminalization, but he ain't going to win.
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MWChapel wrote:
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Every politician thinks its a death sentence to support decriminalization.


Well, every politician who wins elections. Gary Johnson supports decriminalization, but he ain't going to win.


Is Johnson who you are going to vote for, since you ruled out Obama because of the religion thing?

And you've never known an uptight asshole who smoked pot?
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bjlillo wrote:
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Well they used to say that President Bush would be a great guy to have a beer with. So maybe Obama would be a great guy to smoke a joint with?

Hey at least he inhaled!


If you like fuckers who jump in front of you to intercept the joint, sure.


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I hate that it exists, I hate that Obama has perpetuated it, and I hate that it doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

I also think it's completely fucking ridiculous to pretend the blame falls on Obama's shoulders, though. Every politician from either party who has failed to stand up to this ridiculous ideology for fear of looking "soft on crime" or alienating their lobbyist donors shares the blame.


And let's not forget the pendulum has swung the other way, too. Politicians once made alcohol illegal, too, in an effort to appease the hand-wringing rural religious extremists.
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Drew1365 wrote:
MWChapel wrote:
Yet another reason to like Obama. He isn't some uptight asshole.

+1 for Obama.


Sure he is.


Says the guy who just used "pothead" as a pejorative like a fifth grader fresh out of DARE class.
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XanderF wrote:
djgutierrez77 wrote:
I hate that it exists, I hate that Obama has perpetuated it, and I hate that it doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

I also think it's completely fucking ridiculous to pretend the blame falls on Obama's shoulders, though. Every politician from either party who has failed to stand up to this ridiculous ideology for fear of looking "soft on crime" or alienating their lobbyist donors shares the blame.


And let's not forget the pendulum has swung the other way, too. Politicians once made alcohol illegal, too, in an effort to appease the hand-wringing rural religious extremists.


That doesn't excuse Obama on this. I just take exception to the intimation that he's unique or especially culpable. In this as with many other things my disappointment with Obama is that he didn't find a way to be better than the rest of them, not that he's especially worse.
 
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Is Johnson who you are going to vote for, since you ruled out Obama because of the religion thing?



What are you talking about?

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And you've never known an uptight asshole who smoked pot?


I've only ever met uptight pot smokers who were uptight about their pot. But the rest of their general outlook on life was pretty mellow
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Every politician thinks its a death sentence to support decriminalization.


"We all know what to do but we don't know how to get reelected once we have done it." - Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker.
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djgutierrez77 wrote:
XanderF wrote:
djgutierrez77 wrote:
I hate that it exists, I hate that Obama has perpetuated it, and I hate that it doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

I also think it's completely fucking ridiculous to pretend the blame falls on Obama's shoulders, though. Every politician from either party who has failed to stand up to this ridiculous ideology for fear of looking "soft on crime" or alienating their lobbyist donors shares the blame.


And let's not forget the pendulum has swung the other way, too. Politicians once made alcohol illegal, too, in an effort to appease the hand-wringing rural religious extremists.


That doesn't excuse Obama on this.


Oh, but it does.

My point is that we have a rather ludicrous movement in this country to crush all forms of, lets say, 'fun via mind-altering substances'. It's my opinion that the unfortunate reality is "Not Making Things Worse" is as good as we'll get.

After all - various states have started legalizing 'medical marijuana', something with rather dicey legal implications at the Federal level (well, it's still illegal at the Federal level), and Obama has not stated opposition to that.

Romney, on the other hand, very much would try to stop that:

Quote:
I don't want medicinal marijuana; ...
Don't open the doorway to medicinal marijuana.


or...

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I believe marijuana should be illegal in our country


...so, yeah, when there is a constant tidal force to repeal rights already granted in an area, a person who at least holds the ground on the current position should be given some credit for that.
 
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Come on, Xander. Obama hasn't stated opposition to medical marijuana, but his DoJ has been all over it. He doesn't get a free pass on this one, and trying to give him one just adds fuel to the fire for the crazies.
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MWChapel wrote:
Psauberer wrote:

Is Johnson who you are going to vote for, since you ruled out Obama because of the religion thing?



What are you talking about?



This

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/9124895#9124895
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Psauberer wrote:
MWChapel wrote:
Psauberer wrote:

Is Johnson who you are going to vote for, since you ruled out Obama because of the religion thing?



What are you talking about?



This

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/9124895#9124895


Oh, this should be fun to watch…
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bjlillo wrote:
XanderF wrote:
After all - various states have started legalizing 'medical marijuana', something with rather dicey legal implications at the Federal level (well, it's still illegal at the Federal level), and Obama has not stated opposition to that.


Actually, when he was campaigning, he promised that he "wouldn't use federal resources to crack down on medical marijuana." Unfortunately, his talk was a lot different from his actions.

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Since then, the administration has unleashed an interagency cannabis crackdown that goes beyond anything seen under the Bush administration, with more than 100 raids, primarily on California pot dispensaries, many of them operating in full compliance with state laws. Since October 2009, the Justice Department has conducted more than 170 aggressive SWAT-style raids in 9 medical marijuana states, resulting in at least 61 federal indictments, according to data compiled by Americans for Safe Access, an advocacy group.


To be fair, it stands to reason that there would be more raids under Obama than Bush on the medical dispensaries since I believe there are many more such facilities now and three more states with legal medical marijuana than there were under Bush.
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I completely agree with Penn and have been saying similar things for a long time. There is no legitimate reason I've ever been presented with for marijuana to be illegal, much less a prisonable offense. We are ruining people's lives (750,000/year arrested in the US alone every year) for no good reason. We are lowering their job opportunities, their salaries (and thus our tax base) and increasing our costs (judicial/police/prisons) all so some moralistic busybodies who likely drink alcohol (which is FAR more destructive) can feel better about not seeing "hippies" smoking pot. By any objective measure marijuana is safer than anything else people have ever used to get a recreational buzz from and should be being sold to adults at 7-11, along with the existing alcohol and cigarettes. And, with any luck, adults will choose it OVER alcohol and live longer and healthier lives as a result.
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bjlillo wrote:
djgutierrez77 wrote:
To be fair, it stands to reason that there would be more raids under Obama than Bush on the medical dispensaries since I believe there are many more such facilities now and three more states with legal medical marijuana than there were under Bush.


The ability for rationalization is strong in this one.



Not a rationalization. Point of fact. I've already said it doesn't diminish the share of blame Obama takes for his failures on this front, but it's still true.
 
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Now that the President has "evolved" to Dick Cheney's position on gay marriage, I wonder if he'll evolve to Pat Robertson's view on marijuana?


Do you agree with Dick Cheney's view on marriage equality? Do you think it's a good thing that Obama has reached the same conclusion? Or do you think both Obama and Cheney are wrong, but you're still making fun of Obama for getting there second? I'm just trying to unpack the snark.
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