$30.00
Recommend
2 
 Thumb up
 Hide
8 Posts

Virgin Queen» Forums » Rules

Subject: HRE religion VPs and tie-breaker rss

Your Tags: Add tags
Popular Tags: [View All]
Michael Hopcroft
United States
Portland
Oregon
flag msg tools
designer
badge
Avatar
mbmbmbmbmb
I believe so -- that may actually be what the mechanic is intended to do -- but others might disagree.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Joel K
United States
St Louis Park
Minnesota
flag msg tools
Avatar
mbmbmbmbmb
If you reveal in a Victory Determination Phase to haul yourself into a tie on 25+ VP with someone else, shouldn't you still lose if your score at the conclusion of the previous turn was lower?

The only way I could see this working is to record the Protestant space count at the conclusion of each turn so potential HRE preference VPs could be tracked separately. Then I guess if you ended in a tie you'd go back turn by turn to see who was ahead, factoring in (or not) what the HRE's preference VPs would have been if revealed? For this to be the intention--and it seems awkward--but not even be hinted at in the rules would be a startling omission.
2 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Ed Beach
United States
Unspecified
Unspecified
flag msg tools
designer
Avatar
mbmbmbmbmb
That is NOT the intention. What is intended is that you can always look back over the scores from the earlier turns and tell who you own the tie-breaker over. So do NOT add the HRE Secret Religious Preference to previous turn scores for the purpose of tie-breakers. The only exception would be if the HRE player revealed his preference to stop a Domination win by another player. In that case the HRE preference is common knowledge for the rest of the game and it should be added into the end-of-turn score for tie-breaker purposes.
4 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Kristian Thy
Denmark
Taastrup
flag msg tools
Together, we are the United Nations
badge
Gunulfr ok Øgotr ok Aslakr ok Rolfr resþu sten þænsi æftir Ful, felaga sin, ær warþ ... døþr, þa kunungar barþusk.
Avatar
mb
Is it allowed for the HRE to reveal his preference at any time to give him a better position on the tiebreak?
1 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Steven
United States
Spokane
Washington
flag msg tools
badge
"The mystery of life isn't a problem to solve, but a reality to experience"
Avatar
mbmbmbmbmb
turbothy wrote:
Is it allowed for the HRE to reveal his preference at any time to give him a better position on the tiebreak?


I do not believe so. It's pretty well covered in the special HRE rules.

Quote:
Secret Religious Preference

...

Procedure: During the spring deployment of the first turn of the scenario (after negotiations have occurred), the Holy Roman secretly records (on paper) their religious preference: Protestant, Catholic or Balanced. This choice remains secret until the Holy Roman player needs to announce his choice to either (a) earn enough VP to win the game, or (b) add VP to his score to prevent a Domination victory by another power. Such a declaration is made during the Victory Determination Phase. The amount of special VP earned is shown in the appropriate Holy Roman column of the “Special VP by Power” section of the VP display.


So the HRE can only announce it to win the game (standard, or domination victory), or to prevent another power from winning a domination victory. As Ed pointed out, once the HRE announces it to prevent a domination victory it is no longer "secret".
2 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Greg Forster
United States
Pleasant Prairie
Wisconsin
flag msg tools
badge
Hey! Institute THIS!
Avatar
mbmbmbmbmb
Seems unfair to the HRE, especially since "balanced" is the only viable option; the sole function of the secret religious preference mechanic is to ensure the HRE can never win ties.
 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
MLeis
Estonia
Tallinn
flag msg tools
mbmbmbmbmb
Greg Forster wrote:
Seems unfair to the HRE
More like simply one of the numerous special disadvantages each player is bound to have in any serious asymmetric game. HRE's disadvantage of (almost) never winning ties is no more unfair than Spain's disadvantage of never scoring from world map piracy / circumnavigation, Ottoman's disadvantage of never scoring from marriages, etc. All is well if in the very end each player has a 16.7% chance of winning.

Quote:
"balanced" is the only viable option
That's another discussion altogether. If true, then the game has a much bigger problem than the problem of HRE not winning ties.
2 
 Thumb up
 tip
 Hide
  • [+] Dice rolls
Front Page | Welcome | Contact | Privacy Policy | Terms of Service | Advertise | Support BGG | Feeds RSS
Geekdo, BoardGameGeek, the Geekdo logo, and the BoardGameGeek logo are trademarks of BoardGameGeek, LLC.